True the courts aren't perfect at that beyond of shadow of doubt thing, but then again if they tried to be stricter on proving guilt you'd have more people getting away with murder.
yeah, I find removing the death penalty (which is silly imo) would be a fine solution. Prisoners still pull their time, the public isn't in danger, no more people are "getting away with murder" (maybe idk how to gauge that tbh), the courts would be less burdened with appeals cases, they wouldn't have to pay for the chemicals anymore (or chair etc), so far the biggest opponents of removing it would probably be whoever the *** profits off the death chemicals.
Actually, Jeta, a few of the chemicals are common elements (potassium) and made by mass anyways. A couple of the other ingredients are in very scarce supply and the makers have no intention of making new batches or the batches that states have on reserve are expiring. This is causing some of the states that use lethal injection as a means of capital punishment to look for alternative means (most also have the chair and a couple even have firing squad or hanging as an option in their legislation).
The reason behind capital punishment isn't really to 'show them how bad they were' it's reserved for people to be deemed a permanent danger to society and therefore it would be safer to kill that person than it would be to allow them life in prison with a chance to escape or kill other convicts.
It also is a much cheaper alternative to life in prison as the entire process is multitudes cheaper than the taxes necessary to maintain a life in prison sentence between the food, clothing, building, guards, health care, electricity, etc. of upwards of 40 years.
It cost waaaaaay more to keep people in JAIL then execution
Also it is less humane to keep them alive in jail then finishing the job
Did you see the conditions they have to deal with in that hell hole?
Just take them out like we slaughter cows. Cost effective
On top of that. Convicted sex offenders, pedo's and killers that are released will never ever get a decent job. Soooooooooooo the chances of re-offending is pretty high.
The whole system is double standard. You want them to suffer but refuse to end their life.
True the courts aren't perfect at that beyond of shadow of doubt thing, but then again if they tried to be stricter on proving guilt you'd have more people getting away with murder.
yeah, I find removing the death penalty (which is silly imo) would be a fine solution. Prisoners still pull their time, the public isn't in danger, no more people are "getting away with murder" (maybe idk how to gauge that tbh), the courts would be less burdened with appeals cases, they wouldn't have to pay for the chemicals anymore (or chair etc), so far the biggest opponents of removing it would probably be whoever the *** profits off the death chemicals.
Actually, Jeta, a few of the chemicals are common elements (potassium) and made by mass anyways. A couple of the other ingredients are in very scarce supply and the makers have no intention of making new batches or the batches that states have on reserve are expiring. This is causing some of the states that use lethal injection as a means of capital punishment to look for alternative means (most also have the chair and a couple even have firing squad or hanging as an option in their legislation).
The reason behind capital punishment isn't really to 'show them how bad they were' it's reserved for people to be deemed a permanent danger to society and therefore it would be safer to kill that person than it would be to allow them life in prison with a chance to escape or kill other convicts.
It also is a much cheaper alternative to life in prison as the entire process is multitudes cheaper than the taxes necessary to maintain a life in prison sentence between the food, clothing, building, guards, health care, electricity, etc. of upwards of 40 years.
We've already been over this, and no it's not. Sure if you factor in the cost of just killing them vs. holding them indefinitely it's cheaper to kill them.. But that's not all there is to it, there are lengthy and costly appeals processes and other factors to account for.
True the courts aren't perfect at that beyond of shadow of doubt thing, but then again if they tried to be stricter on proving guilt you'd have more people getting away with murder.
yeah, I find removing the death penalty (which is silly imo) would be a fine solution. Prisoners still pull their time, the public isn't in danger, no more people are "getting away with murder" (maybe idk how to gauge that tbh), the courts would be less burdened with appeals cases, they wouldn't have to pay for the chemicals anymore (or chair etc), so far the biggest opponents of removing it would probably be whoever the *** profits off the death chemicals.
Actually, Jeta, a few of the chemicals are common elements (potassium) and made by mass anyways. A couple of the other ingredients are in very scarce supply and the makers have no intention of making new batches or the batches that states have on reserve are expiring. This is causing some of the states that use lethal injection as a means of capital punishment to look for alternative means (most also have the chair and a couple even have firing squad or hanging as an option in their legislation).
The reason behind capital punishment isn't really to 'show them how bad they were' it's reserved for people to be deemed a permanent danger to society and therefore it would be safer to kill that person than it would be to allow them life in prison with a chance to escape or kill other convicts.
It also is a much cheaper alternative to life in prison as the entire process is multitudes cheaper than the taxes necessary to maintain a life in prison sentence between the food, clothing, building, guards, health care, electricity, etc. of upwards of 40 years.
We've already been over this, and no it's not. Sure if you factor in the cost of just killing them vs. holding them indefinitely it's cheaper to kill them.. But that's not all there is to it, there are lengthy and costly appeals processes and other factors to account for.
If the Case proofs without a doubt the person committed the murder and he qualify's for execution. Take out appeals.
If the Case was iffy then don't give it to him in the 1st place.
Replace appeals with a 3rd party investigation department that can review Cases.
Court can become efficient too
edit: people that are in prison for life can also appeal their judgement so I don't see your point
Neither will being passive, but worldly things in this world do not matter, but spirtual things do. Thanks for backing me up Daemun, much thanks. God bless.
True the courts aren't perfect at that beyond of shadow of doubt thing, but then again if they tried to be stricter on proving guilt you'd have more people getting away with murder.
yeah, I find removing the death penalty (which is silly imo) would be a fine solution. Prisoners still pull their time, the public isn't in danger, no more people are "getting away with murder" (maybe idk how to gauge that tbh), the courts would be less burdened with appeals cases, they wouldn't have to pay for the chemicals anymore (or chair etc), so far the biggest opponents of removing it would probably be whoever the *** profits off the death chemicals.
Actually, Jeta, a few of the chemicals are common elements (potassium) and made by mass anyways. A couple of the other ingredients are in very scarce supply and the makers have no intention of making new batches or the batches that states have on reserve are expiring. This is causing some of the states that use lethal injection as a means of capital punishment to look for alternative means (most also have the chair and a couple even have firing squad or hanging as an option in their legislation).
The reason behind capital punishment isn't really to 'show them how bad they were' it's reserved for people to be deemed a permanent danger to society and therefore it would be safer to kill that person than it would be to allow them life in prison with a chance to escape or kill other convicts.
It also is a much cheaper alternative to life in prison as the entire process is multitudes cheaper than the taxes necessary to maintain a life in prison sentence between the food, clothing, building, guards, health care, electricity, etc. of upwards of 40 years.
We've already been over this, and no it's not. Sure if you factor in the cost of just killing them vs. holding them indefinitely it's cheaper to kill them.. But that's not all there is to it, there are lengthy and costly appeals processes and other factors to account for.
I would agree with you, except there are going to be appeals if the said person gets life in prison too. You can't leave out part of the process on the side you agree on that is static in both cases.
Comparing apples to apples, and ignoring the trial stuff (which would happen no matter the verdict or sentence) execution is vastly cheaper than life in prison. It's cheaper than five years in prison for that matter.
so God commanding a psychotic man to kidnap someone, torture them, and marry them off when they're a minor is spiritual?
Wow, I can't wait to see what he does for Christmas.
Wouldn't exactly say someone in this mental state would know the difference between God's divine intervention or say one of his personalities' sick perversions of the truth, would you?
How about this... When will we stop pointing fingers, grow a pair, and realise the world is bigger than we think?
the creator of this song is an idiot, and you are pathetic to post it.
Why?
because everyone is ignorant to a degree, but those that wade in that ignorance (blissful ignorance if you will) are stupid. Religious people wade in their ignorance, embrace it, and refuse to seek for answers. You are pathetic for posting it because you fail to realize it and the logical fallacy they use.
First I am going to lol at you... Now, go out read learn and actually open your mind travel the world, and notice you are small, and pointless. You make no difference in this world, you have been sold a lie thinking you can understand anything, you know nothing. You try to avoid understanding anything because your arguments are nothing but insults and efforts to run away from anything logical except the quick answer that your life has given you. I know more and what I know is better than what you know, tell me what is it you know? You to use any real knowledge, prove to me anything in this world is real and you win. Nothing here is purposeful neither I nor you or anyone really. There is things in this world beyond you and I, something to powerful to understand, something to live for.
Ifrit.Daemun said:
Alexander.Tedril said:
There is things in this world beyond you and I, something to powerful to understand, something to live for.
For the Win. Although I would disagree that nothing here is purposeful; there are souls being fought over here, that is the entire reason we were created. Just spread love to people like Jetackuu, hatred puts you in the same boat, and will never change people's opinions about us.
so God commanding a psychotic man to kidnap someone, torture them, and marry them off when they're a minor is spiritual?
Wow, I can't wait to see what he does for Christmas.
Wouldn't exactly say someone in this mental state would know the difference between God's divine intervention or say one of his personalities' sick perversions of the truth, would you?
True the courts aren't perfect at that beyond of shadow of doubt thing, but then again if they tried to be stricter on proving guilt you'd have more people getting away with murder.
yeah, I find removing the death penalty (which is silly imo) would be a fine solution. Prisoners still pull their time, the public isn't in danger, no more people are "getting away with murder" (maybe idk how to gauge that tbh), the courts would be less burdened with appeals cases, they wouldn't have to pay for the chemicals anymore (or chair etc), so far the biggest opponents of removing it would probably be whoever the *** profits off the death chemicals.
Actually, Jeta, a few of the chemicals are common elements (potassium) and made by mass anyways. A couple of the other ingredients are in very scarce supply and the makers have no intention of making new batches or the batches that states have on reserve are expiring. This is causing some of the states that use lethal injection as a means of capital punishment to look for alternative means (most also have the chair and a couple even have firing squad or hanging as an option in their legislation).
The reason behind capital punishment isn't really to 'show them how bad they were' it's reserved for people to be deemed a permanent danger to society and therefore it would be safer to kill that person than it would be to allow them life in prison with a chance to escape or kill other convicts.
It also is a much cheaper alternative to life in prison as the entire process is multitudes cheaper than the taxes necessary to maintain a life in prison sentence between the food, clothing, building, guards, health care, electricity, etc. of upwards of 40 years.
We've already been over this, and no it's not. Sure if you factor in the cost of just killing them vs. holding them indefinitely it's cheaper to kill them.. But that's not all there is to it, there are lengthy and costly appeals processes and other factors to account for.
If the Case proofs without a doubt the person committed the murder and he qualify's for execution. Take out appeals.
If the Case was iffy then don't give it to him in the 1st place.
Replace appeals with a 3rd party investigation department that can review Cases.
Court can become efficient too
edit: people that are in prison for life can also appeal their judgement so I don't see your point
you can't take out appeals, they are part of the legal process, they are there to stay.
Make it efficient/ reduce the wait time/ shorten the time it takes for decision.
Can ONLY apply for one when there is new evidence.
Seriously the current legal system is complete garbage and needs a overhaul
while the last sentence you said may be true it doesn't mean that everyone is entitled to the appeal process, regardless if it's approved. The point is capital punishment is merely a form of "revenge" and it serves no real purpose, it's laughable to think it's a deterrent, and even if it did cost more to keep them alive, lives shouldn't be about money. We could save plenty (legally) by just throwing them in regular maximum security prison, and be done with it. As for the escaping thing, when was the last time somebody escaped from maximum security in the US? (curious)
Make it efficient/ reduce the wait time/ shorten the time it takes for decision.
Can ONLY apply for one when there is new evidence.
Seriously the current legal system is complete garbage and needs a overhaul
True but as it stands now, no one can think of a better system to replace it. It's like Social Security: It has degraded and transformed into an absolute train wreck. Law makers understand that it needs to be changed, however, you can't abolish it without first having something more useful to replace it with.
Make it efficient/ reduce the wait time/ shorten the time it takes for decision.
Can ONLY apply for one when there is new evidence.
Seriously the whole government is a mess and needs an overhaul
fixed
I'll agree with this, the bureaucracy has grown to inefficient, with all the different departments and rules that each and every sector has to abide by, even when it prevents efficiency, they need to change the voting system to a % system (not the winner take all thing), outlaw lobbyists, and restructure welfare programs as a start, then we may actually survive in the future as a world power.
while the last sentence you said may be true it doesn't mean that everyone is entitled to the appeal process, regardless if it's approved. The point is capital punishment is merely a form of "revenge" and it serves no real purpose, it's laughable to think it's a deterrent, and even if it did cost more to keep them alive, lives shouldn't be about money. We could save plenty (legally) by just throwing them in regular maximum security prison, and be done with it. As for the escaping thing, when was the last time somebody escaped from maximum security in the US? (curious)
Jetackuu, I have much to say about this, but not the time at work. I'll try to discuss this point this evening. I think I can explain more thoroughly the inception of capital punishment.
Ramuh.Vinvv said:
I personally don't think the government as it is now is something that is even fixable and is destined for collapse or a full-on regime change :/
I personally don't think the government as it is now is something that is even fixable and is destined for collapse or a full-on regime change :/
to be honest the latter part is what would have to happen for it to pass, if I were ever to do such a thing I would probably keep the constitution and the amendments, might throw a few more rights on there though, nice 1-2 liners.
There's a lot of issues involved in that, like maintaining order and society to some extent without it collapsing during a change, all while removing the corrupting, and trying not to add any. Sad to be said but I think the best chance the country had at such a thing was with the teabaggers, unfortunately they were mostly a bunch of people who had no idea of any of the issues at hand. May be time to go back to a ruling class, but idk (just random thoughts on the issue).
I personally don't think the government as it is now is something that is even fixable and is destined for collapse or a full-on regime change :/
to be honest the latter part is what would have to happen for it to pass, if I were ever to do such a thing I would probably keep the constitution and the amendments, might throw a few more rights on there though, nice 1-2 liners.
There's a lot of issues involved in that, like maintaining order and society to some extent without it collapsing during a change, all while removing the corrupting, and trying not to add any. Sad to be said but I think the best chance the country had at such a thing was with the teabaggers, unfortunately they were mostly a bunch of people who had no idea of any of the issues at hand. May be time to go back to a ruling class, but idk (just random thoughts on the issue).
Ruling class would work, if they weren't corrupt/greedy. That was the major fallacy with the first English Monarchial society, and the reason for the birth of America. Also, ruling class has more ability to screw things up as it corrupts than democracy, albeit we are a far cry from the true democracy we once were.
I personally don't think the government as it is now is something that is even fixable and is destined for collapse or a full-on regime change :/
to be honest the latter part is what would have to happen for it to pass, if I were ever to do such a thing I would probably keep the constitution and the amendments, might throw a few more rights on there though, nice 1-2 liners.
There's a lot of issues involved in that, like maintaining order and society to some extent without it collapsing during a change, all while removing the corrupting, and trying not to add any. Sad to be said but I think the best chance the country had at such a thing was with the teabaggers, unfortunately they were mostly a bunch of people who had no idea of any of the issues at hand. May be time to go back to a ruling class, but idk (just random thoughts on the issue).
Ruling class would work, if they weren't corrupt/greedy. That was the major fallacy with the first English Monarchial society, and the reason for the birth of America. Also, ruling class has more ability to screw things up as it corrupts than democracy, albeit we are a far cry from the true democracy we once were.
i honestly don't think this concept ever truly existed for the united states past what people perceptions.
some say that the system has been broken from the start :/
I'm not sure if a true democracy would have had to have civil war if it was in fact a "true" one but that's my perception as well I guess.
nobody is perfect and that's pretty much why it works the way it does :/
governing a large group of individuals is a pretty daunting task IMO.
we've never had a "true democracy" to suggest such a thing is laughable, ruling classes have less of a chance of corruption if developed properly than a "true democracy" the general public is stupid, gullible and easy manipulated, and that will never change.
The shackled 57-year-old Mitchell was present in the courtroom and sat singing throughout the reading of the verdict. He sang about Jesus Christ on the cross and held his hands in front of his chest as though he was praying.
Hey boys and girls, KFH here again with another mind numbing game of "WTF Was God Thinking?!"
The contestants today are Elizabeth Smart, a beautiful blond girl who likes butterflies, keg stands, and Justin Bieber. Also playing is Brian David Mitchell, the sadistic nutcase who claimed God told him to kidnap Smart, force her into a polygamous marriage, and rape her daily.
Is God living vicariously through others who claim He made them commit these disgusting acts of sexual deviance? If so, why doesn't he just fondle a hooker and make her have the best orgasm ever? He wouldn't have to pay for it. And why would he want to rape a 14-year-old girl anyway?
