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 Gilgamesh.Tweeek
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By Gilgamesh.Tweeek 2010-12-02 15:28:15
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Jet, the main difference between us is I don't feel the scanners are invasive. It's a matter of opinion that we will not agree on. If you too felt that the scanners were not dangerous or invasive as I then perhaps we would be on the same page.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-12-02 15:32:44
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Gilgamesh.Tweeek said:
Jet, the main difference between us is I don't feel the scanners are invasive. It's a matter of opinion that we will not agree on. If you too felt that the scanners were not dangerous or invasive as I then perhaps we would be on the same page.

how in the hell do you not think they are invasive? That's like saying a strip search isn't invasive, and it isn't invasive when they take a picture of you. fail man, fail.
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By Ragnarok.Zanno 2010-12-02 15:36:12
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Gilgamesh.Tweeek said:
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Aparently its not only for ppl that opt out.

I agree the TSA should not be allowed to randomly pick people to pat down. I only think people who opt out of the scanner or give rasonable probable cause for a pat down i.e. setting off the alarms or an image giving cause for concern.

Luckily the world isn't black and white so I am allowed to have an idependent opinion on a specific when coming to the subject.

True, you can have an opinion. But unless your children are the subject for one of those random pat downs, and you as a parent see how uncomfortable it makes him/her/them, you can't really support it, can you? Because once it does happen to you, you might see things from a different point of view, and maybe won't be as accepting anymore.
 
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
depends on the area, the country is recovering, slowly. However even if a more qualified person can get a job at these unskilled labor minimum wage jobs, it's not like they can support a family on the wages, 7.25 an hour isn't enough to support a single person properly much less a household. As to the bank loan thing, most people can't make their own business. Now that we've got this out of the way, people can't always make their own business, people can't survive on minimum wage, people can't always get a job even if it's doing something they don't like, wait no that's about it.

Then don't have a family?

If we lived by the laws of nature, if you can't provide for your family then you just starved and that was the end of it. The world isn't made of rose petals and candy, but it's a hell of a lot easier than if the world was in its natural order. And yet you still find a way to complain about how hard it is.

It's easier now that you don't have to find your own deer and impale it for the meat in order to feed. But it's still a world based on "survival of the fittest". The "fittest" has just changed to smartest, pro-active, or enherited wealth instead of sheer physical fitness.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-12-02 15:41:02
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Caitsith.Shiroi said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Gilgamesh.Tweeek said:
Jet, the main difference between us is I don't feel the scanners are invasive. It's a matter of opinion that we will not agree on. If you too felt that the scanners were not dangerous or invasive as I then perhaps we would be on the same page.

how in the hell do you not think they are invasive? That's like saying a strip search isn't invasive, and it isn't invasive when they take a picture of you. fail man, fail.

I agree with you, we should ban all cameras.

nice trolling attempt, but the camera isn't the issue, it's the application of it.
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By Gilgamesh.Tweeek 2010-12-02 15:41:04
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Gilgamesh.Tweeek said:
Yea, the problem is after Clinton reintitated liberal policies around the newer CRA act and the dems made sure it would not be overturned in 2002 many many many *** got loans that should have never received them. These same people idiots who did not understand the loans they signed would move out of an interest only periord after X number of years are the ones who felt they are better off just walking away from their financial obligations and responsibilities. They felt it was better to let their house foreclose because it was either A) upside down or B) thought it would be easier to claim bankruptcy. The ones who got screwed are the hard working Americans who continue to pay their loans and see that their financial obligations are met. The ones (me) who can't get their loan refinanced to take advantage of the new APRs because I should be punished for never missing a payment. Only people who default on their loan for sometimes up to 3 months can qualify for such programs even though Obama promised everyone that our home equity loan woes would be behind us when running for office. How stupid of me for not walking away from my upside down loan because I made an agreement with a financial institution to make such payments. I should just be like the other pos people who walk away and strip the copper out of their house since the market decided to dip. Maybe after that I can claim bankruptcy, file for unemployement and collect welfare with food stamps cause it's the easy thing to do.
maybe you should.


What is really really really really really really really really *** sad is that is what some refinance institutions are suggesting to customers. What's even worse is some are listening and doing as they suggested.


Someone at my work lived down the street to a family in a million dollar+ home neighborhood. They called their financial institution trying to take advantage of some of the new Obama programs to either lower the balance of their loan to something closer to the value of their house or adjust the interest. They were advised they can not qualify until they miss a payment and instructed them to do so. They missed a payment and called back, they were instructed they need to be 90 days past due. They did the same thing and called back, they were then told they now qualify but need to bring their loan current. Needless to say the idiot lost their home and it's been sitting there vacant for over a year.

I too spoke to someone about seeing if I could qualify to adjust my interest rate after consulting my bank. I was told because my loan was not owned by Freddie Mac or Fannie May that I could not qualify, I was told the only way I can qualify was if I miss a payment. I told the guy to *** off and that I would not even consider jeopordizing my credit that would not be an option for me. So instead I continue to pay my loan like a productive member of society and hope value of my house continues to climb slow and steady over time. Keep in mind I am not talking about people who were without work who could not pay their loans, I'm talking about the people with piss poor money management who chose to walk away from their homes like many people did here in California.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-12-02 15:41:39
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Gilgamesh.Tweeek said:
Jet, the main difference between us is I don't feel the scanners are invasive. It's a matter of opinion that we will not agree on. If you too felt that the scanners were not dangerous or invasive as I then perhaps we would be on the same page.

how in the hell do you not think they are invasive? That's like saying a strip search isn't invasive, and it isn't invasive when they take a picture of you. fail man, fail.

You're just scared the scanners will see your mini penis.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-12-02 15:43:48
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Caitsith.Mahayaya said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
depends on the area, the country is recovering, slowly. However even if a more qualified person can get a job at these unskilled labor minimum wage jobs, it's not like they can support a family on the wages, 7.25 an hour isn't enough to support a single person properly much less a household. As to the bank loan thing, most people can't make their own business. Now that we've got this out of the way, people can't always make their own business, people can't survive on minimum wage, people can't always get a job even if it's doing something they don't like, wait no that's about it.

Then don't have a family?

If we lived by the laws of nature, if you can't provide for your family then you just starved and that was the end of it. The world isn't made of rose petals and candy, but it's a hell of a lot easier than if the world was in its natural order. And yet you still find a way to complain about how hard it is.

It's easier now that you don't have to find your own deer and impale it for the meat in order to feed. But it's still a world based on "survival of the fittest". The "fittest" has just changed to smartest, pro-active, or enherited wealth instead of sheer physical fitness.

tell that to people who already have families and have lost their jobs, the world is a rough place, and as humans (not animals) we strive to better society. You are truly out of touch with this world. Also deer are *** disgusting, and they all need to die.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-12-02 15:45:45
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Gilgamesh.Tweeek said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Gilgamesh.Tweeek said:
Yea, the problem is after Clinton reintitated liberal policies around the newer CRA act and the dems made sure it would not be overturned in 2002 many many many *** got loans that should have never received them. These same people idiots who did not understand the loans they signed would move out of an interest only periord after X number of years are the ones who felt they are better off just walking away from their financial obligations and responsibilities. They felt it was better to let their house foreclose because it was either A) upside down or B) thought it would be easier to claim bankruptcy. The ones who got screwed are the hard working Americans who continue to pay their loans and see that their financial obligations are met. The ones (me) who can't get their loan refinanced to take advantage of the new APRs because I should be punished for never missing a payment. Only people who default on their loan for sometimes up to 3 months can qualify for such programs even though Obama promised everyone that our home equity loan woes would be behind us when running for office. How stupid of me for not walking away from my upside down loan because I made an agreement with a financial institution to make such payments. I should just be like the other pos people who walk away and strip the copper out of their house since the market decided to dip. Maybe after that I can claim bankruptcy, file for unemployement and collect welfare with food stamps cause it's the easy thing to do.
maybe you should.


What is really really really really really really really really *** sad is that is what some refinance institutions are suggesting to customers. What's even worse is some are listening and doing as they suggested.


Someone at my work lived down the street to a family in a million dollar+ home neighborhood. They called their financial institution trying to take advantage of some of the new Obama programs to either lower the balance of their loan to something closer to the value of their house or adjust the interest. They were advised they can not qualify until they miss a payment and instructed them to do so. They missed a payment and called back, they were instructed they need to be 90 days past due. They did the same thing and called back, they were then told they now qualify but need to bring their loan current. Needless to say the idiot lost their home and it's been sitting there vacant for over a year.

I too spoke to someone about seeing if I could qualify to adjust my interest rate after consulting my bank. I was told because my loan was not owned by Freddie Mac or Fannie May that I could not qualify, I was told the only way I can qualify was if I miss a payment. I told the guy to *** off and that I would not even consider jeopordizing my credit that would not be an option for me. So instead I continue to pay my loan like a productive member of society and hope value of my house continues to climb slow and steady over time. Keep in mind I am not talking about people who were without work who could not pay their loans, I'm talking about the people with piss poor money management who chose to walk away from their homes like many people did here in California.

***happens
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-12-02 15:48:06
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Shiva.Flionheart said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Gilgamesh.Tweeek said:
Jet, the main difference between us is I don't feel the scanners are invasive. It's a matter of opinion that we will not agree on. If you too felt that the scanners were not dangerous or invasive as I then perhaps we would be on the same page.

how in the hell do you not think they are invasive? That's like saying a strip search isn't invasive, and it isn't invasive when they take a picture of you. fail man, fail.

You're just scared the scanners will see your mini penis.


the size of my penis is irrelevant to the level of invasion of these ineffective methods.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-12-02 15:51:19
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Areis said:
Can we make a new forum rule...
If your gunna complain about TSA you have to provide TnA
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-12-02 15:53:30
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Gilgamesh.Tweeek said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Gilgamesh.Tweeek said:
Yea, the problem is after Clinton reintitated liberal policies around the newer CRA act and the dems made sure it would not be overturned in 2002 many many many *** got loans that should have never received them. These same people idiots who did not understand the loans they signed would move out of an interest only periord after X number of years are the ones who felt they are better off just walking away from their financial obligations and responsibilities. They felt it was better to let their house foreclose because it was either A) upside down or B) thought it would be easier to claim bankruptcy. The ones who got screwed are the hard working Americans who continue to pay their loans and see that their financial obligations are met. The ones (me) who can't get their loan refinanced to take advantage of the new APRs because I should be punished for never missing a payment. Only people who default on their loan for sometimes up to 3 months can qualify for such programs even though Obama promised everyone that our home equity loan woes would be behind us when running for office. How stupid of me for not walking away from my upside down loan because I made an agreement with a financial institution to make such payments. I should just be like the other pos people who walk away and strip the copper out of their house since the market decided to dip. Maybe after that I can claim bankruptcy, file for unemployement and collect welfare with food stamps cause it's the easy thing to do.
maybe you should.


What is really really really really really really really really *** sad is that is what some refinance institutions are suggesting to customers. What's even worse is some are listening and doing as they suggested.


Someone at my work lived down the street to a family in a million dollar+ home neighborhood. They called their financial institution trying to take advantage of some of the new Obama programs to either lower the balance of their loan to something closer to the value of their house or adjust the interest. They were advised they can not qualify until they miss a payment and instructed them to do so. They missed a payment and called back, they were instructed they need to be 90 days past due. They did the same thing and called back, they were then told they now qualify but need to bring their loan current. Needless to say the idiot lost their home and it's been sitting there vacant for over a year.

I too spoke to someone about seeing if I could qualify to adjust my interest rate after consulting my bank. I was told because my loan was not owned by Freddie Mac or Fannie May that I could not qualify, I was told the only way I can qualify was if I miss a payment. I told the guy to *** off and that I would not even consider jeopordizing my credit that would not be an option for me. So instead I continue to pay my loan like a productive member of society and hope value of my house continues to climb slow and steady over time. Keep in mind I am not talking about people who were without work who could not pay their loans, I'm talking about the people with piss poor money management who chose to walk away from their homes like many people did here in California.

***happens

I"m not going to sit here and argue the housing dilemma, I haven't researched it at all, nor care to. However the job thing in general was a HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE assertion, and so is allowing the tsa to do what it pleases under the guise of security.
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By Gilgamesh.Tweeek 2010-12-02 15:55:44
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
how in the hell do you not think they are invasive? That's like saying a strip search isn't invasive, and it isn't invasive when they take a picture of you. fail man, fail.

Because I do not find the picture/image pornographic in any sense. That is the difference. It looks like a 3D model to me, nothing more. You can talk all you want about what you want but that's not going to make my opinion on the images wrong or different.


You know children have to get naked when entering juvenile hall? Obviously there is a difference here because one person is boarding an airplane and another broke the law and is being sent to a detention center, I understand this.

But why why aren't you as enraged to stop the perverts /sc who have to look at these kids enter completely naked? Why isn't this all over the news? Why aren't people claiming every single person that works inside these detention centers for minors are pedophiles and perverts as they are eluding every single person who works for the TSA is?


Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
***happens

***does happen, but that doesn't mean the people walking away from their homes are not wrong.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-12-02 15:59:45
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Gilgamesh.Tweeek said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
how in the hell do you not think they are invasive? That's like saying a strip search isn't invasive, and it isn't invasive when they take a picture of you. fail man, fail.

Because I do not find the picture/image pornographic in any sense. That is the difference. It looks like a 3D model to me, nothing more. You can talk all you want about what you want but that's not going to make my opinion on the images wrong or different.


You know children have to get naked when entering juvenile hall? Obviously there is a difference here because one person is boarding an airplane and another broke the law and is being sent to a detention center, I understand this.

But why why aren't you as enraged to stop the perverts /sc who have to look at these kids enter completely naked? Why isn't this all over the news? Why aren't people claiming every single person that works inside these detention centers for minors are being pedophiles and perverts as they are eluding every single person who works for the TSA is?


Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
***happens

***does happen, but that doesn't mean the people walking away from their homes are not wrong.

I never said anything about pornographic, I said invasive, it is invasive to render a 3d image of somebody beneath their clothes.

I know full well how they run a juvenile hall, and some rights are forfeit when you break the law, you are not breaking a law by getting on a plane (unless you personally are not allowed by court order or some ***). Despite what the TSA says your rights are not relinquished when you purchase a plane ticket, and this *** will not continue to stand.

As to the homes thing, that is not for you to decide.
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By Kujata.Daus 2010-12-02 16:00:24
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My sister and mother worked for TSA in Phoenix. Met lots of celebrities like Mark Harmon from NCIS to Linkin Park (lolLinkinPark) and made a good 14-15$ an hour and my sister was right out of highschool.

For the record my sister hated the job because she said the public are a bunch of d***s. She said people would blow up if you simply asked to see their ID. Though she also didnt care much for her bosses.

Either way, we all watch the news these days and roll our eyes.

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Kujata.Daus said:
My sister and mother worked for TSA in Phoenix. Met lots of celebrities like Mark Harmon from NCIS to Linkin Park (lolLinkinPark) and made a good 14-15$ an hour and my sister was right out of highschool.

For the record my sister hated the job because she said the public are a bunch of d***s. She said people would blow up if you simply asked to see their ID. Though she also didnt care much for her bosses.

Either way, we all watch the news these days and roll our eyes.


Used to and do are different things, if you support the *** that's going on you are just as guilty as the molesters that grope children for getting on a plane.
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By Phoenix.Darki 2010-12-02 16:05:37
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what is TSA?
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Phoenix.Darki said:
what is TSA?

a recruiting organization for NAMBLA, and NAMGLA

obviously
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Phoenix.Darki said:
what is TSA?
They Suck ***
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Phoenix.Darki said:
what is TSA?

a recruiting organization for NAMBLA, and NAMGLA

obviously

NAWGLA is hot.
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By Gilgamesh.Tweeek 2010-12-02 16:08:46
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Kujata.Daus said:
My sister and mother worked for TSA in Phoenix.

big *** airport you got there in PHX
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Shiva.Flionheart said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Phoenix.Darki said:
what is TSA?

a recruiting organization for NAMBLA, and NAMGLA

obviously

NAWGLA is hot.
if they are near 18yo hot girls, it's tempting tbh.
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
molesters that grope children for getting on a plane.

I bet this guy believes the government is spreading Autism through the public by duping us all into thinking vaccines are necessary.

$50.

Any takers?
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By Gilgamesh.Tweeek 2010-12-02 16:11:22
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
I"m not going to sit here and argue the housing dilemma, I haven't researched it at all, nor care to.


Bahamut.Jetackuu said:

do like most republicans do and don't listen to the world around you and move on with your life.

that is all.
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Phoenix.Mogue said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
molesters that grope children for getting on a plane.

I bet this guy believes the government is spreading Autism through the public by duping us all into thinking vaccines are necessary.

$50.

Any takers?

are you speaking of the known issue with the swine flu vaccine? if not then I have no idea what the *** you're talking about.

On a side note, Vaccines aren't always necessary, and quite frankly it's bad when the "cure" is worse than the illness. I don't do conspiracy theories though.
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Phoenix.Mogue said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
molesters that grope children for getting on a plane.

I bet this guy believes the government is spreading Autism through the public by duping us all into thinking vaccines are necessary.

$50.

Any takers?

are you speaking of the known issue with the swine flu vaccine? if not then I have no idea what the *** you're talking about.

On a side note, Vaccines aren't always necessary, and quite frankly it's bad when the "cure" is worse than the illness. I don't do conspiracy theories though.

reference two conspiracy theories, check.
deny belief conspiracy theories, check.
typical level of honesty from a conservative.
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Jet a conservative?! gtfo!

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By Kujata.Daus 2010-12-02 16:17:17
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Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
Kujata.Daus said:
My sister and mother worked for TSA in Phoenix. Met lots of celebrities like Mark Harmon from NCIS to Linkin Park (lolLinkinPark) and made a good 14-15$ an hour and my sister was right out of highschool.

For the record my sister hated the job because she said the public are a bunch of d***s. She said people would blow up if you simply asked to see their ID. Though she also didnt care much for her bosses.

Either way, we all watch the news these days and roll our eyes.


Used to and do are different things, if you support the *** that's going on you are just as guilty as the molesters that grope children for getting on a plane.

My sister only quit like a year ago because she had a kid. I dont support anything as I dont fly and unlike I guess most of the forum I wasnt at any airport to witness any of the controversies, so I cant judge. But I do know that people are all around idiots, whether they work for TSA or not. I bet most complaints were simply from people who brought it on themselves "har har Im going to bring my pocketknife and if they say I cant bring it on the plane well Im going to make one hell of a scene". Im sure anybody who works with the public knows that the public can be HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE like this.

people want security but people want to be an exception.

not saying that TSA doesnt have its HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE employees but Id say blame can be shared with everybody involved.

hey but thanks for lumping me with molesters.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-12-02 16:17:46
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Phoenix.Mogue said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
molesters that grope children for getting on a plane.

I bet this guy believes the government is spreading Autism through the public by duping us all into thinking vaccines are necessary.

$50.

Any takers?
Ewwwy needles.
That's what they really think.
The whole vaccine being poison is just an excuse to make it seem like they aren't a pussy.
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