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To every single person still using a Hachiman Doma
 Quetzalcoatl.Giazz
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By Quetzalcoatl.Giazz 2010-08-09 23:06:01
Asura.Othirin said: Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: Asura.Othirin said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Hachi Haidate, Cerb +1, but WS's in Ace's and Perle body.
i have Wyvern Helm +1 actually :) just telling you my results, no need to get upset over it
Wait, so you're saying that you have Osode and Wyvern Helm+1, but Gekko in Perle body and Ace's helm?
Yep that's exactly what i am saying!
We are talking about the overall result of Perle Hauberk and Kirin Osode, but thanks for the gear advice. Either way no one has come back and said "here is proof Kirin osode is better" so i will continue to use perle until told otherwise.
Ok, this isn't very hard...
Wyvern Helm +1 = STR+6
Ace's Helm = STR+4
6 > 4
Edit: As for the body, Osode has more STR than Perle body too. The extra attack from Perle body is doing little to nothing for y/g/k.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-08-09 23:06:08
Asura.Othirin said: We are talking about the overall result of Perle Hauberk and Kirin Osode, but thanks for the gear advice. Either way no one has come back and said "here is proof Kirin osode is better" so i will continue to use perle until told otherwise. Ratio is doubled for Gekko, rendering attack a nonfactor on all but the most defensive targets (hi2u JoL). If what you say is true and you found Perle to be superior on a specific target, Byrnie +1 would be better still and is clearly within your budget. For most targets, Osode will be superior. If this was a fodder mob, I must once again question your sample size.
Quetzalcoatl.Giazz
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By Quetzalcoatl.Giazz 2010-08-09 23:08:25
Yeah Gekko comes pre buffed with an 100% Cratio bonus (sort of an attack bonus, as some like to call it for simplicity's sake), and also an accuracy bonus. Which is why people tend to gear it with mostly STR.
 Alexander.Nepharite
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By Alexander.Nepharite 2010-08-09 23:09:25
Wait, are people arguing acc is needed for single hit sam ws at lv80?
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-08-09 23:26:10
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: Hachi Haidate, Cerb +1, but Gekko's in Ace's and Perle body.
lol'd at that
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-08-09 23:29:47
Asura.Othirin said: Either way no one has come back and said "here is proof Kirin osode is better" so i will continue to use perle until told otherwise.
Aside from telling you the cratio is doubled therefore rendering +attack useless on anything but the hardest of enemies? Osode/Wyvern helm/Smilodon +1 is what you're missing. As for Perle > Osode just lol. You'd have a point with Rana, but in that case Haub+1 >
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By Quetzalcoatl.Giazz 2010-08-09 23:35:10
Maybe this will help:
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: This is the dumbest idea ever but I'm gonna run with it.
Let's say you have 200 apples divided into two baskets of 100 each. You LOVE apples and want to get as many as possible. Somebody offers you a choice:
-add 11 apples to the first basket
-add 4 apples to the first basket and 1 apple to the second basket
Which do you do?
Phoenix.Dooom
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By Phoenix.Dooom 2010-08-10 00:12:31
The *** at this thread. 6 hit beats 5 hit? The ***? Eat sushi, cap acc, be happy. Blind hating on Domaru is something out of 2008, this kind of fail elitism needs to *** off. Hate on stupid people, not the gear.
Ifrit.Vextra
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By Ifrit.Vextra 2010-08-10 00:23:22
Phoenix.Dooom said: The *** at this thread. 6 hit beats 5 hit? The ***? Eat sushi, cap acc, be happy. Blind hating on Domaru is something out of 2008, this kind of fail elitism needs to *** off. Hate on stupid people, not the gear.
yes as long as your acc is capped you can fight naked and still be the best!
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-08-10 00:25:34
Nobody was arguing 5 > 6. Been 2/3 pages of Perle hating
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By Sylph.Kimble 2010-08-10 00:44:30
Phoenix.Dooom said: The *** at this thread. 6 hit beats 5 hit? The ***? Eat sushi, cap acc, be happy. Blind hating on Domaru is something out of 2008, this kind of fail elitism needs to *** off. Hate on stupid people, not the gear.
Id hope to god a SAM would never have to eat sushi or something is very wrong.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-08-10 00:49:10
Sylph.Kimble said: Phoenix.Dooom said: The *** at this thread. 6 hit beats 5 hit? The ***? Eat sushi, cap acc, be happy. Blind hating on Domaru is something out of 2008, this kind of fail elitism needs to *** off. Hate on stupid people, not the gear.
Id hope to god a SAM would never have to eat sushi or something is very wrong. If you're wearing Domaru you might need it, and honestly given YGK pizza doesn't make that much of a difference on many targets. Going to a 5hit on the other hand will.
Ifrit.Vextra
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By Ifrit.Vextra 2010-08-10 00:49:51
Sylph.Kimble said: Phoenix.Dooom said: The *** at this thread. 6 hit beats 5 hit? The ***? Eat sushi, cap acc, be happy. Blind hating on Domaru is something out of 2008, this kind of fail elitism needs to *** off. Hate on stupid people, not the gear.
Id hope to god a SAM would never have to eat sushi or something is very wrong.
think dooom was referring to a sam's tp phase.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Giazz 2010-08-10 01:02:17
I don't think sushi helps my Zanshin proc more though.
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Ifrit.Vextra
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By Ifrit.Vextra 2010-08-10 01:04:28
Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: I don't think sushi helps my Zanshin proc more though.
thats why ya gotta tp in the hachiryu duh....
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-08-10 01:06:20
Quetzalcoatl.Giazz said: I don't think sushi helps my Zanshin proc more though.
No 3hit Nanatsusayanotachi? Gimp
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Ifrit.Vextra
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By Ifrit.Vextra 2010-08-10 01:08:55
inb4 3 nit nana
dammit
Phoenix.Dooom
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By Phoenix.Dooom 2010-08-10 02:15:36
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: If you're wearing Domaru you might need it, and honestly given YGK pizza doesn't make that much of a difference on many targets. Going to a 5hit on the other hand will.
This, basically. Attack means so little for gkt samurai (relic excluded) that sacrificing haste, accuracy, or moving from 5 to 6 hit for attack is just silly. If you're like me, using 5-hit sTP keito, then you need an sTP body. ACP is tied up with another job, and I don't have Usu body, leaving either Askar or Domaru, neither of which have acc on. Salvage eats my assault tags, so it's Domaru. If you wanna argue that I'm better off using a 6-hit, then lol, good luck.
Ifrit.Vextra
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By Ifrit.Vextra 2010-08-10 03:30:33
Phoenix.Dooom said: Fenrir.Nightfyre said: If you're wearing Domaru you might need it, and honestly given YGK pizza doesn't make that much of a difference on many targets. Going to a 5hit on the other hand will.
This, basically. Attack means so little for gkt samurai (relic excluded) that sacrificing haste, accuracy, or moving from 5 to 6 hit for attack is just silly. If you're like me, using 5-hit sTP keito, then you need an sTP body. ACP is tied up with another job, and I don't have Usu body, leaving either Askar or Domaru, neither of which have acc on. Salvage eats my assault tags, so it's Domaru. If you wanna argue that I'm better off using a 6-hit, then lol, good luck.
.....no one is arguing with you about using domaru for a 5hit, except maybe yourself.
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-08-10 03:44:47
Pretty sure he's responding to the OP, and the thread title.
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By Ifrit.Vextra 2010-08-10 03:50:57
pretty sure op is talking about people who full time domaru, just because they're HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE, NOT like dooom who's only using it to fulfill a stp requirement.
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By Asura.Othirin 2010-08-10 04:20:50
Ifrit.Vextra said: pretty sure op is talking about people who full time domaru, just because they're HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE, NOT like dooom who's only using it to fulfill a stp requirement.
Absolutely Not
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-08-10 04:24:26
Ifrit.Vextra said: pretty sure op is talking about people who full time domaru, just because they're HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE, NOT like dooom who's only using it to fulfill a stp requirement.
Yep, and you have to fulltime it for 5hit depending on what gear you have. OP didn't specify, he generalised.
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By Ifrit.Vextra 2010-08-10 04:56:52
Ifrit.Darkanaseur said: Ifrit.Vextra said: pretty sure op is talking about people who full time domaru, just because they're HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE, NOT like dooom who's only using it to fulfill a stp requirement.
Yep, and you have to fulltime it for 5hit depending on what gear you have. OP didn't specify, he generalised.
in doooms case yes, but not everyone
edit: I dont full time domaru to keep a 5hit, just ws in it
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By Ifrit.Vextra 2010-08-10 04:57:19
Asura.Othirin said: Ifrit.Vextra said: pretty sure op is talking about people who full time domaru, just because they're HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE, NOT like dooom who's only using it to fulfill a stp requirement.
Absolutely Not
what?
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By Odin.Dirtyfinger 2010-08-10 05:03:07
*** 5hit, here's a legit 4hit build if STP+5 on Keitonotachi.
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By Asura.Calatilla 2010-08-10 05:20:48
You`d only have a 7-hit in full perle with a rose strap if u dont have 5/5 Store TP merits. With Raja`s, Brutal, Chiv, Rose Strap and Ecphoria ring you could get 6-hit with 4 merits.
So it all depends on how many Stp merits you currently have
 Valefor.Argettio
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By Valefor.Argettio 2010-08-10 05:27:14
Odin.Dirtyfinger said: *** 5hit, here's a legit 4hit build if STP+5 on Keitonotachi.
25% increase in WS frequency
24% increase in Swing rate.
That build is basically no better than a 5hit with a normal grip, in fact if you accounted for loss of damage due to the white tath and SAM JSE neck, it would be worse.
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2010-08-10 05:29:34
Ifrit.Vextra said:
in doooms case yes, but not everyone
edit: I dont full time domaru to keep a 5hit, just ws in it
Doesn't matter, he was making a point that domaru isn't HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE to use, while the OP stated otherwise. Either way, most of the past 5 pages has been stated already on page 1.
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By Odin.Dirtyfinger 2010-08-10 05:46:23
Valefor.Argettio said: Odin.Dirtyfinger said: *** 5hit, here's a legit 4hit build if STP+5 on Keitonotachi.
25% increase in WS frequency
24% increase in Swing rate.
That build is basically no better than a 5hit with a normal grip, in fact if you accounted for loss of damage due to the white tath and SAM JSE neck, it would be worse.
It would be fun to mess around with hehe. But I donno, I just wanted to see what this grip could do and find a good reason to have it. :(
Interesting piece though.
You know who you are, assuming you know how the shortcut works to start your browser.
I'm going to be honest... If you are still using a Domaru, you are nothing short of an imbecile...
Let's look at alts for a Domaru, shall we?
 haubergeon - On Asura = 38K, at most 50K on Ifrit. Solid piece for TPing in, can't go wrong with it. And cheap as hell... Speaking of cheap...
 perle hauberk - On Asura = 15K, at most again on Ifrit for 25K. Practically a Domaru +0.5 for WSes, and a Hauby 0.8 for TPing in (Assuming you don't have the full set, I can only assume if you have a Domaru you don't have a Rose Grip, Rajas Ring or Goading Belt to support Full Perle and a 6 hit though), you can't argue with it, it is the best you will get for the price short of buying a single Bonanza Marble and somehow winning with some huge amount of fluke.
In short, it is no longer about price, or difficulty of obtainability, you could do 20 minutes (if not less) of Abyssea and have that body, or you could simply farm a little, 1 and a half stacks of Ladybugs wings (Roughly) is all it would take.
In summary/TL;DR: You look like an idiot wearing a Domaru. NPC it, and move on to something better.
(Sidenote: On most servers Domaru are AHing for cheaper than they NPC for, which is 18K btw)
/rantoff
Edit: Let the ratedown commence btw, it's their game, they pay for it, etc etc.. They can do better for themselves.
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