Let's Start A Riot?!?!

It's not a problem. We give the police license to use force. The mob has to be controlled. We've seen what happens when it's not.

If only.

Never mind that the people who are rioting and looting are the ones doing the most damage. And there is a whole lot more of them than you want to admit.

A handful of people do not destroy whole neighborhoods across the nation.

We don't give the police force to use on protesters. How could you possibly think it's not a problem that the police have been attacking innocent people, but condemn rioting?

Because it's not just a small peaceful protest and there's a lot of different factions of people there with different motivations. You are beyond delusional if you think this has been simply a peaceful protest. Look at the aftermath and what has been left in the wake. Again, where is all that self-policing and community policing? You people will get f**king steam rolled and then get back to calling for the police. Suburbanites are totally ignorant of what these neighborhoods are like. Peaceful protesters aren't fighting with the cops.

Policing, in concept, is fine. The relative lack of training, how that training is allocated, lack of accountability, and the apparent lack of proper vetting are the big problems to me.

How to get there is beyond me. Local and federal runners on either side seem keen to let things go as they are. Police Unions are absurdly powerful.

Protesting's about the only thing we've got to possibly encourage future runners to run their platform on police reform.

Only good police is no police. Petition your city representative to disband your local police force

I didn't say this was 100% peaceful across the board. I said the police have attacked innocent people. Which they have. If I can agree with you that riots shouldn't happen, why do you have a hard time agreeing that police shouldn't attack non rioters?

And police officers who use force on peaceful protesters will be punished, especially in this current climate, since all eyes are on them.

Yes, some of the incidents occurred are deplorable, but it's also reactionary.

Let me ask you this: If you were demeaned by the general public for doing your job for decades, would you have a cool head all the time when the general public is attacking your livelihood?

Yes, they can. In a crowd of 20k, 1-200 is a handful, and that's more than enough to destroy a neighborhood when police are focused on the wrong people.

There is a lot more going on than you think.

For one, you are only focusing on the negative aspects of the police. For every single bad cop, there are thousands more good cops. But only the bad cops get shown to the public.

You are right about police unions being too powerful, but there is no calls for reform for police unions. Well, no calls for reforms by the left. The right, however... And let's not forget who contributes more towards state and local politicians for their campaigns.... So, the left, in their best interest, wants to keep police unions out of check, because the less power unions have, the less contributions the left gets, and it's all the left cares about anyway. That and abuse of power.

It's understandable why people don't have cool heads sometimes. I get that police are under a lot of pressure. Despite that, they are given weapons and power over civilians and should be held to a higher standard in confrontational situations. They should be trained to properly de-escalate situations.

1st assumption that I'm tired of seeing: That all police are good people because you saw a couple nice PSAs of cops handing out bags of food after a tornado. Just like the rest of humanity, there are good cops and bad cops. The difference is a police union blindly protects their own, thinking the whole world is out to get them, whereas I feel no need to blindly defend the other woodwind repair tech I work with if it turned out that he was beating his wife.

2nd assumption I'm tired of seeing: that anyone on the street has an identical message they're trying to get out there. Right now there are literally dozens of different groups with different messages trying to co-op the true message of the protesters. Its gonna take some nuance on your part to break it down, sorry.

And the final one I'm just sick of: that this is a left/right issue. This is a BLUE issue. Its in the way they police themselves, its in the way they shelter up and blindly protect their own, its in the way they view their own communities in an "us vs. them" mentality, instead of seeing that they are PART of that community, and have just as much invested in seeing it peaceful and productive as the citizens do. They're not jail wardens.

So white people don't have tribal warfare?

And I wonder why the level and quality of education of the black community in America is poor...

Except A) it is greater than "200" out of 20k, and B) police has to focus on the protesters so they can peacefully protest without interference. Or are you suggesting that the police ignore the protesters?

You tell us. I can't imagine what your answer will be. /sarc

Blame the city councils. They can tell the police to stand down

White people do have tribal warfare in a sense. But we don't protest when a white person dies unjustly, that often. Mainly because when a white person dies, it's not national headlines.

And the level and quality of education of all Americans is poor. Not just towards the black community, although they have a disproportionate level of lack of quality among teachers. It's the teacher's union that preventing any improvements and abetting all discontents of education reform. Gee, I wonder which party supports the teacher's unions....

So white people don't have tribal warfare?

And I wonder why the level and quality of education of the black community in America is poor...[/quote]


Yeah there's these tribes of really pale black people called "Irish" and "Scottish" and "Viking" in Northern Europe. Definitely not white people who practiced hundreds of years of tribal warfare.


...sorry I jacked up the "quotes".

Actually, only the Mayor can tell the police to stand down. City Councils do not have the power to tell the police to stand down, only the power to fund the police.

Think of it this way: Police is a part of the Executive Branch of local government, the Mayor is the head of the Executive Branch, and City Council is the Legislative Branch of local government.

Sounds like these Democrat run cities are intentionally allowing it then~ /tinfoilhat

Just to give the quote some context, the actual line is along the lines of "we're coming to vote you out of the White House in November". Not a single mention of violent removal.

Hardly a conspiracy when they openly admit to it.

"It's a very delicate balancing act because while we try to make sure that they were protected from the cars and the other things that were going on, we also gave those who wished to destroy space to do that as well, and we work very hard to keep that balance and to put ourselves in the best position to de-escalate."

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/baltimore-unrest/mayor-stephanie-rawlings-blake-under-fire-giving-space-destroy-baltimore-n349656

BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI

... "you will not be in the white house come novemeber. You will not be re-elected"