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By Odin.Jassik 2013-03-08 01:32:48
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Do Ogier's Breeches not beat Avant Cuisses +1 for Kaiten? seems like the 3% WSD would do more than 8 STR.
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By Odin.Zelphes 2013-03-08 01:34:07
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Odin.Jassik said: »
Do Ogier's Breeches not beat Avant Cuisses +1 for Kaiten? seems like the 3% WSD would do more than 8 STR.

Yeah use Ogier's Breeches on Kaiten, it's better. Good catch.
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By Shiva.Kinzu 2013-03-08 07:04:20
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Definitely need to spam more Gaunab. As the the different sets, do any of you have a good SAM XML you could share that has AM down, regain etc? Would very much appreciate it! Thanks for build advice, will make those changes.
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By Cannonaire 2013-03-10 23:29:46
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Any plans to add common skillchains and usage scenarios to the guide? It seems like something necessary for Samurai. I would help, but I'm pretty new to SAM and I'm no expert on skillchains yet.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Krylon 2013-03-11 10:09:51
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Shiva.Kinzu said: »

Your sets seem really solid other than the stuff you already pointed out so I think you are good to go.

For Shoha you can use Saotome Sune-Ate+2 to help maintain your 5hit during Shoha Spam/Kaiten AM Down situations.


Had a very busy weekend but will be making some updates to the guide as I have received/reviewed a lot of things ^^
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By Asura.Ccl 2013-03-11 16:36:52
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Masamune Build: I have this tp/ws set combo higher on spreadsheet than what's currently posted:

Usual buff (marchX2/min chaos/fighter roll/ boost str)

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WS:

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By Carbuncle.Xenhas 2013-03-11 22:44:15
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on what targets and what are the DPS for a comparison?
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By Asura.Jomen 2013-03-12 01:33:14
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So, random but what are your thoughts on Candent ring?

As we're all sams, we know weapon skill accuracy is an issue. Especially in places like legion where even at capped acc we still suddenly start missing hits left and right on Shohas.

I've been using Candent/Pyrosoul ring in lieu of Pyrosoul x2. Basically, lose 1 str and gain 3 accuracy during Weaponskills. I don't think it's too noticeable but figured I'd see what everyone thought about it.
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By Asura.Ccl 2013-03-12 11:15:46
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Carbuncle.Xenhas said: »
on what targets and what are the DPS for a comparison?

I checked on fodder/dynamis dc/qilin/ Ig alima.

@Jomen: They are pretty much even and cadent is free!
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By Ramuh.Austar 2013-03-13 23:36:45
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higher level mobs makes crits better, not worse.
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By Odin.Zelphes 2013-03-13 23:54:01
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Asura.Ccl said: »
Masamune Build: I have this tp set combo higher on spreadsheet than what's currently posted:

Usual buff (marchX2/min chaos/fighter roll/ boost str)

TP:
I'm getting different numbers than you.

TP Set 1
(Rose Strap used)

TP Set 2



Monster & Buffs Head Hierarchy
Fodder (Lv84). 2x Marches, 1x Minuet, Chaos/Fighter's Roll, Boost-STR (450 skill) TP Set 1: 453,367 TP Set 2: 436,136
Dynamis DC mob. 2x Marches, 1x Minuet, Chaos/Fighter's Roll, Boost-STR (450 skill) TP Set 1: 436,627 TP Set 2: 425,530
Pil. 2x Marches, 1x Minuet, Chaos/Fighter's Roll, Boost-STR (450 skill) TP Set 1: 338,514 TP Set 2: 332,294
Qilin. 2x Marches, 1x Minuet, Chaos/Fighter's Roll, Boost-STR (450 skill) TP Set 1: 332,620 TP Set 2: 330,526
Ig-Alima. 2x Marches, 1x Minuet, Chaos/Fighter's Roll, Boost-STR (450 skill) TP Set 1: 228,252 TP Set 2: 211,571


*The numbers represent melee DPS only*

I noticed your proposed set lacks 4 STP from being a true 5-hit, and since we not including regain, that seem to hurt DPS abit for your set.

But I may have missed something, try post your numbers CCL.
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By Bismarck.Llewelyn 2013-03-14 00:06:30
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Odin.Zelphes said: »
I noticed your proposed set lacks 4 STP from being a true 5-hit, and since we not including regain, this seem to hurt DPS abit.
It's actually fine. You must be miscounting.

11.1 * 1.9 = 21 | 21 * 4 = 84

11.1 * 1.47 = 16.3

84 + 16.3 = 100.3

Actually able to drop Rajas with that set as well assuming one has Tenryu Hakama +1.
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By Odin.Zelphes 2013-03-14 00:13:22
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Oh yeah, forgot ogiers. That's even worse then.
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By Asura.Ccl 2013-03-14 01:54:23
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This is Masamune number, I'll do Amano number when I get back from work (so like 13-14h from now)
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Those are total dps:

Fodder Usu : 941,603
Unkai:929.018

Dyna DC: Usu: 936.314
Unkai:922.626

Pil/Qilin: Usu: 716.959
Unkai:702.181


Ig: Usu: 373.248
Unkai: 385.332

You need to add accuracy buff like they are in legion(hunter's/mad/feint) or vw(stalwart/atmacite/pizza) for the Usu set to win on Ig too.

What was your fudo set ?
Also can you post your total dps ? I also have 30% ODD on.
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By Asura.Hotin 2013-03-14 01:59:27
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For VW, Coercion over Deluges probably.
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By Odin.Registry 2013-03-14 02:19:47
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Asura.Ccl said: »
This is Masamune number, I'll do Amano number when I get back from work (so like 13-14h from now)
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Those are total dps:

Fodder Usu : 941,603
Unkai:929.018

Dyna DC: Usu: 936.314
Unkai:922.626

Pil/Qilin: Usu: 716.959
Unkai:702.181


Ig: Usu: 373.248
Unkai: 385.332

You need to add accuracy buff like they are in legion(hunter's/mad/feint) or vw(stalwart/atmacite/pizza) for the Usu set to win on Ig too.

What was your fudo set ?
Also can you post your total dps ? I also have 30% ODD on.

Only posting to confirm results since I saw this right as I was heading to bed and the set seemed a bit weird, but...

Getting pretty much the same numbers using:
Getting slightly lower numbers (pretty much the same difference), but I probably have the Fudo set wrong.

edit: Yea, Cheruski and Omodaka feet weren't plugged into the sheet I was using and I was a little too lazy to do it. :S
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By Lakshmi.Nightscope 2013-03-14 13:40:15
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So i am currently working on making a Yoichinoyumi and my main g.katana is Masamune. My sam mainly gets used for lowman stuff (6 people and under) and was wondering if anyone uses the combo what skillchains it can make? Is the merit bow WS worthy of using on sam? Also was curious how the aftermath works between the two. I keep hearing Namas will overwrite the fudo aftermath but what if i do Namus to fudo. Do i keep the bow aftermath or get the g.katana aftermath. I assume i will end up using Yoichinoyumi mainly as a fun toy for most of the time. I figured since I am close to finishing i would ask for some information.
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By Bismarck.Llewelyn 2013-03-14 14:33:50
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Stick with Namas Arrow. Apex is a waste of merits.

Yoichi aftermath will stay in effect until it wears off. Masa aftermath can't do anything to overwrite it. Would suggest using a Quint Spear or 2-4 hit magian great katana if wanting to spam Namas. In an event like NNI where you could be swapping between GK and bow weapon skills commonly or if the accuracy is relevant then Amanomurakumo would be better.
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By Odin.Zelphes 2013-03-14 16:50:29
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Found an error that skewed results.
Amano-numbers:

TP Set 1
ItemSet 291553(Duplus used)

TP Set 2
ItemSet 284218

Monster & Buffs Head Hierarchy
Fodder (Lv84).2x Marches/Minuet 5/Chaos & Fighter's Roll/Boost-STR/Haste/RCB TP Set 1: 448,807 TP Set 2: 449,433
Dynamis DC mob.2x Marches/Minuet 5/Chaos & Fighter's Roll/Boost-STR/Haste/RCB TP Set 1: 432,236 TP Set 2: 434,406
Pil.2x Marches/Minuet 5/Chaos & Fighter's Roll/Boost-STR/Haste/RCB TP Set 1: 324,229 TP Set 2: 336,180
Qilin.2x Marches/Minuet 5/Chaos & Fighter's Roll/Boost-STR/Haste/RCB TP Set 1: 318,514 TP Set 2: 332,183
Ig-Alima.2x Marches/Minuet 5/Chaos & Fighter's Roll/Boost-STR/Haste/RCB TP Set 1: 222,690 TP Set 2: 226,296
*The numbers represent melee DPS only*


Comparison for low-buff situations:

Monster & Buffs Head Hierarchy
Fodder (Lv84). Haste, RCB TP Set 1: 165,102 TP Set 2: 170,958
Dynamis DC mob. Haste, RCB TP Set 1: 158,185 TP Set 2: 161,514
Pil. Haste, RCB TP Set 1: 113,164 TP Set 2: 114,745
Qilin. Haste, RCB TP Set 1: 111,581 TP Set 2: 111,877
Ig-Alima. Haste, RCB TP Set 1: 43,770 TP Set 2: 45,709
*The numbers represent melee DPS only*

16% ODD/Berserk/Hasso/Stalwart was accounted for. 450 skill for Boost-STR.
I got TP set 2 winning across the board.
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By Odin.Jassik 2013-03-14 16:56:17
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Bismarck.Llewelyn said: »
Stick with Namas Arrow. Apex is a waste of merits.

Yoichi aftermath will stay in effect until it wears off. Masa aftermath can't do anything to overwrite it. Would suggest using a Quint Spear or 2-4 hit magian great katana if wanting to spam Namas. In an event like NNI where you could be swapping between GK and bow weapon skills commonly or if the accuracy is relevant then Amanomurakumo would be better.

Seems so strange to advocate a 2-4 magian weapon, lol
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By Asura.Hotsoups 2013-03-14 17:31:09
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For the bow, not a bad idea at all.
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By Bismarck.Llewelyn 2013-03-14 17:32:28
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If we can manage 11 more STP from gear in future updates we could actually 4-hit with it as well.
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By Odin.Zelphes 2013-03-14 17:36:11
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Asura.Ccl said: »
What was your fudo set ?
Also can you post your total dps ? I also have 30% ODD on.
Was comparing melee DPS only, since it was the TP set you posted I wanted to check.

The WS set you posted wins without doubt when ATK-capped, don't even need to spreadsheet it. The guide mention to use ele neck/belt combo aswell if ATK-capped.

I'll include total DPS eitherway.

TP Set 1
ItemSet 291553(Rose Strap used)

TP Set 2
ItemSet 292478

WS
ItemSet 292480

Monster & Buffs Head Hierarchy (Melee/WS+Total DPS)
Fodder (Lv84).2x Marches/Minuet 5/Chaos & Fighter's Roll/Boost-STR/Haste/RCB TP Set 1: 492,754/910,876
TP Set 2: 486,141/904,503
Dynamis DC mob.2x Marches/Minuet 5/Chaos & Fighter's Roll/Boost-STR/Haste/RCB TP Set 1: 474,560/898,245
TP Set 2: 474,320/896,220
Pil.2x Marches/Minuet 5/Chaos & Fighter's Roll/Boost-STR/Haste/RCB TP Set 1: 367,923/685,176
TP Set 2: 370,393/685,565
Qilin.2x Marches/Minuet 5/Chaos & Fighter's Roll/Boost-STR/Haste/RCB TP Set 1: 361,517/680,729
TP Set 2: 368,423/684,185
Ig-Alima.2x Marches/Minuet 5/Chaos & Fighter's Roll/Boost-STR/Haste/RCB TP Set 1: 248,582/466,330
TP Set 2: 235,935/451,777

30% ODD/Berserk/Hasso/Stalwart was accounted for. 450 skill for Boost-STR. TP Set 1 used Rose Strap and Rajas for WS.

Asura.Ccl said: »
You need to add accuracy buff like they are in legion(hunter's/mad/feint) or vw(stalwart/atmacite/pizza) for the Usu set to win on Ig too.

Adding a 4th song - SV+Madrigal+Pizza+1 made set 2 pull ahead on Ig-Alima as Ccl mentioned.

But using RCB favour Set 2 more on Ig-Alima.

Monster & Buffs Head Hierarchy (Melee/WS+Total DPS)
Ig-Alima.2x Marches/Minuet 5/Madrigal 2/Chaos & Fighter's Roll/Boost-STR/Haste/Pizza+1 TP Set 1: 261,517/483,032
TP Set 2: 266,811/487,893
Ig-Alima.2x Marches/Minuet 5/Madrigal 2/Chaos & Fighter's Roll/Boost-STR/Haste/RCB TP Set 1: 265,004/488,810
TP Set 2: 278,962/499,701


Without SV, not even 2x Madrigals+ Pizza+1 made Set 2 pull ahead on Ig-Alima.
So yeah, gonna need feint/hunter's roll and such to pull ahead on that target.
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By Asura.Ccl 2013-03-14 17:41:41
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Bismarck.Llewelyn said: »
If we can manage 11 more STP from gear in future updates we could actually 4-hit with it as well.

Yeah I can't wait to see adoulin gear, hope we get some nice namas gear out of it, now I just wish they fix tachi: ageha accuracy so you only need brd+cor/rdm or rdm to make it so much win!

Once I get more free time I'll try macc set for tachi: ageha if no one tried it before!


@Zelphes: are you sure you don't have regain in there ? I don't have your tp+ws set as a true 5hit on the spreadsheet.
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Asura.Ccl said: »
@Zelphes: are you sure you don't have regain in there ? I don't have your tp+ws set as a true 5hit on the spreadsheet.

Just rechecked, no regain/embrava accounted for. The gear sets are correct in my spreadsheet (5hit).
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By Asura.Ccl 2013-03-14 17:55:03
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Wich switch are you making on your ws set to keep it 5hit ? Can you post your hitround/ws for both ?
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By Odin.Zelphes 2013-03-14 17:59:49
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Eitherway, our numbers are more identical now except fodder, dyna targets.

You do seem to calculate with alot more buffs than me, given the dps numbers.
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By Odin.Zelphes 2013-03-14 18:02:10
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Asura.Ccl said: »
Wich switch are you making on your ws set to keep it 5hit ? Can you post your hitround/ws for both ?

Rose: 3,10
Duplus: 3,14
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