Tachi: Shoha

Ok question real quick. Assuming 5/5 Shoha what is the difference between 99 Amano and 99 Masa? The 99 Amano would be slightly easier for me but would it be significantly underpowered compared to 99 Masa. In attack capped situations (super buffs) how does 99 Kaiten compare to Fudo? And what is the point at which Shoha beats them (slightly under attack cap / lots under)?

I'm currently using a 99 TP Bonus Kano for my SAM and while it's great for medium content I'm looking to bling it out for "real stuff".

20str from Masa is just boss.

Fudo = Kaiten at 112.5tp. 112tp favors Kaiten (Vulcan), 113tp favors Fudo (tpbonus)

Fudo:
100TP: 3.75
200TP: 4.75
300TP: 5.75

Kaiten:
100%: 3.00, 20 seconds Aftermath duration
200%: 3.00, 40 seconds Aftermath duration
300%: 3.00, 60 seconds Aftermath duration
25% bonus at 90, 40% bonus at 99

Shoha:
100TP: 1.375 + 1
200TP: 2.15 + 1
300TP: 2.65 + 1


At 100tp no DA Fudo is 4ftp (you have TPbonus moonshade right?) Kaiten is 4.2ftp.

At 113tp (or higher) Fudo is stronger then Kaiten. Anytime you use a TPbonus JA (Haga,Sekka) Fudo is far stronger then Kaiten.

Shoha is the weakest of the 3 WSs at 99 (looking at ftp) but has 3 very big advantages.

1. An attack bonus
2. 100% STR mod (vs 60% for Kaiten and Fudo)
3. 2hits = more chance for DA,TA,QA

So ive read from like page 1 to the end. Just a couple simple qustions. Ele belt neck over ire +1 and winbuffet or vice versa. Also geting back into sam which banwaggon should i jump on 95 Amano or 90 masa? Thx

Capped ACC = Mala+Windbuffet

Uncapped I use Gorget+Ele belt


90Masa > 95 Amano

Really can't go wrong with justice torque either. Unless adl is within your reach, masa is going to be a better bet overall.

Great thanks guys!

Another question lol. Whats the required stp in gear for 5-6 hit. Like every other same i think ive fully merited stp.

Should start by letting us know what you plan to ws and tp in or look at the sam gear at 99 thread for some of the sets there. 5-hit is now the standard unlike at 90 where a case could be made for 6-hit. At least you can 5-hit capped haste now. The delay on your gk being the most important info.

Cant right now as i am posting this from my iphone at work and ( net at home is down thanks Sandy). Haste on gear is 25% and stp is 32. Ws is stp 13 and conserve tp 11 atm.

And will be masa@ 90. Missed that last part

Going to have wait till i get home i"m on my phone too. I have a lot more stp in my tp set but i only have 1stp in my shoha set, 6 in fudo.

My set.



Phos+1 would be better obviously.

I don't use rose atm thanks my horible luck on mala.

Rose+Rancor then.

Honestly never considered using rancor pieces on SAM, the neck and mantle are standard fare on all my other jobs.

Thanks. Seeing as their virtually identical in the WS spammage side, how does the ODD AM compare to the innate 2.5x damage boost on Amano? I'm thinking it leans towards Masa here though.

Looks like I'll be building a 99 Masa, hope plates don't get stupid expensive.

Other than the TP Bonus Earring (I'm lazy) is there anything else I can change to make this Shoha set better?

From what I remember I think Unkai back > Athelings. WS Gorget until Ganesha's Mala as well.

I thought they were pretty close but for shoha atheling comes out slightly ahead? Also a second STR ring.

I use atheling in my set for the Double attack. Your set looks good other than the obvious Mala and Moonshade.

I've always heard differing opinions on backpiece, but from this forum it looked like most people went with Unkai.

Idk he might need the STP from Rajas to maintain a 5-hit(If he's going for one) since no rose strap.

Yeah, I use unkai and don't think there is actually much between them. Just I'm sure I heard somewhere atheling has the edge slightly but I have been away a while.

Yeah I assumed rose D: he would need the stp. Ignore my comment, didn't look at which grip you had on.

I think atheling would pull ahead in long term fights(NOT a Zerg, which might happen now with Embrava nerf) since the DA will proc more. But in a short term fight Unkai would help more since not as much WS are going off.

Edited what I forgot to :<

I would make berserk-up/down sets.

Especially useful for zerg-situations with high buffs.

- For Berserk-down: Corresponding sea gorget (Breeze, Thunder, Shadow) instead of Justicer.

- Berserk-up: Cheruski Needle, Gigantes Boots and Mala when you get it (if ACC capped. Otherwise, stick with Ele gorget).

Due to lack of Rose Strap, I don't see how you will be able to keep a true 5-hit build w/o making additional sacrifices to DA/ATK during TP Phase.

You will need +48 STP during TP phase, and minimum 5 STP during WS in gear to maintain a 5-hit with Shoha (assuming 5/5 STP merits).

With just 5 STP during WS - if any hits misses, it won't keep the 5-hit (can always use Saotome Sune-ate +2 along with Rajas to ensure maintaining 5-hit if any of the hits on Shoha misses until Rose Strap), but this usually never makes or breaks x-build due to the buffs you usually have when zerging, so it's more of a preferance IMO.

If you got the gil to spend on Tenryu Hakama +1 and augment it with WS DMG+3%, it should be used fulltime on Shoha.

I would stick with Atheling for Shoha.

Can you post your TP set for us? That plays into making a WS set so would help to see.

Double attack won't proc more often just because it's a long fight. It will still be a ~3% double attack proc rate

Yeah sorry, I meant to edit that earlier but my LoL game started :<

changed it~

*pause* how u gonna say 20 attack and a 3% chance of double attack beats 5 STR and 17 attack?....when are you not /WAR on SAM? soloing?