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 Quetzalcoatl.Javarr
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By Quetzalcoatl.Javarr 2012-09-23 12:24:55
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So pretty much what is being said in a nutshell is this;

If ACC is capped, stack STR, ATK, and DA/TA/QA (ATK especially with Shoha due to the Atk. penalty)

If ACC is not capped, Work with Elemental Gorget/belt + ACC, STR, ATK, DA/TA/QA everywhere else?

Am I missing anything part of this as a whole?
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-09-23 12:29:26
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Shoha has an attack bonus, not an attack penalty.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-09-23 12:30:44
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37.5% attack bonus is so high that it swings around full circle into the negative sometimes, obviously

but rearry, general rule that may change on a by-the-slot basis: decent sized boosts to fTP (including avg gains from DA/TA/QA) > STR > watever else

what you said about ACC is correct
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By Quetzalcoatl.Javarr 2012-09-23 12:32:20
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Hmm, I remember reading somewhere it had a ATK- attached to it. Heh, learn something new everyday. Other then that goofup, that about right then?
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By Jassik 2012-09-24 12:54:06
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Whatever adds to the dmg the most. Any hit is better than a miss, so acc capped is priority. Next is slot by slot as proth said whatever boosts the fTP the most. QA/TA/DA. Then pile on the str. Its all mathy stuff, so either learn the formulas or choose from the many great sets in the sam gear lvl99 thread.
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By Cerberus.Lotmorning 2012-09-26 13:08:15
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Has anyone noticed a bit of damage reduction with shoha since update yesterday? Maybe just getting bad luck but my ws doing WAY less then normal during ADL farming
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-09-26 13:12:44
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Yep, and they increased the droprate on Ridill too.
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By Jassik 2012-09-26 14:05:06
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Cerberus.Lotmorning said: »
Has anyone noticed a bit of damage reduction with shoha since update yesterday? Maybe just getting bad luck but my ws doing WAY less then normal during ADL farming

Assuming you use an xml. Try updating resources. Might not be getting all your swapped.
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By Sylph.Deathknight 2012-09-26 14:14:58
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Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
Yep, and they increased the droprate on Ridill too.
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By Leviathan.Lolbenjix 2012-10-04 17:23:53
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Cerberus.Lotmorning said: »
Has anyone noticed a bit of damage reduction with shoha since update yesterday? Maybe just getting bad luck but my ws doing WAY less then normal during ADL farming

i noticed a pretty big change in damage too. i can still get the high numbers but the consistancy is ridiculously less. glad i can relate to someone on the matter...
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By Jassik 2012-10-05 10:09:48
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More and more i'm starting to wonder. My shohas used to average 3-4k on dc mobs like nyzul with spikes into the 6-7.4k range. I haven't broke 5k in a week and if anything fudo seems more potent on even high def mobs.
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By Siren.Heavendragon 2012-10-16 02:20:01
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So i am a "new" carrer SAM since my LS wanted me to be. lol
I am using current WS set:



Any advice how i do get bigger ws numbers?
I am aiming for Ace´s Mail atm but stupid Uptala wont drop it after 50 kills.
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By Lakshmi.Vlorsutes 2012-10-16 03:21:19
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Besides the Ace's Mail (which would be one of your better stand-ins until you can potentially get Phorcys), you'll likely want Windbuffet Belt, Ganesha's Mala, and the TP Bonus Moonshade Earring.

Additionally, I'd recommend something like Mustela Gloves or Phorcys Mitts over Heafoc on the standpoint that, while the first hit of Shoha will be at or near the accuracy cap, the second one won't be, so that -accuracy will be a real issue.
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By Siren.Heavendragon 2012-10-16 04:28:37
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Thx for the advice. ^^
Some items are hard to get like the NNI hands but will try to work on it.

And maybe i will get someone to help me on WotG Missions so i get the earring -.-
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By Jassik 2012-10-16 14:14:07
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Avant +1 over mustela IF you have the ability to get phorcys gear, no point spending hours and hours or piles of gil if you're just going to replace them in a matter of weeks. The time would be better spent on spamming uptala or getting moonshade.
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By Siren.Heavendragon 2012-10-22 06:46:03
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So thats my new ws set.



Still trying to get TP Bonus Moonshade Earring and Ganesha's Mala.
 
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By Siren.Heavendragon 2012-10-22 08:06:04
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Working on Masa. Its at 80 atm and i still need 34 lanterns. I wanna get it to 99 but it will take some time. ^^
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-10-22 08:17:53
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Valefor.Angierus said: »
It's late ;\ I'm probably wrong but assuming I'm not, TP bonus doesn't go above 225(100+125TPBonus)total. If my mind is in the right place, if you ever find yourself WSing over 100%TP Vulcan/Flame/Cent/Aesir would beat out Moon. I'm probably wrong with that tho.

Obvious upgrade for you would be Vulcan/Flame Pearl for when Sekkanoki is active and Moon wouldn't be beneficial for you, and you already mentioned the lacking Mala.

Also if you're going career SAM I'd suggest working on a real GK, you'll see a real out put change if decide to go w/ Amano. people will say Masa99 performs better and yes, it does beat out Amano if acc isn't a factor, but with content such as Neo Odin and Legion and the future expansion coming out, never doubt the need of accuracy.

I see Masa SAMs in Legion(Hall of Mul - only one I see worth parsing) pushing 65-70% Acc while the rest of us are at 88-95% Acc, and in my books you don't wanna really be below 90%, and if they go about eating sushi or pizza they're still missing the benefit of the attack and str a red curry bun +1 offers which sure they make up in accuracy but they'll still be behind with that.



Pretty misleading post.

TPbonus earring is a 25% bonus. With a TPBonusGKT you'll want to use a STR earring anytime your TP is over around 160tp.

99Masa is better then 99Amano...if you acc is low, SAM offers a variety of gear options to TP in (esp with embrava up) and also WSs in some of the highest ACC equip of any melee job. SAM also has just a large TP/WS ratio and their main highlvl mob WS has a major attack boost, switching foods is not going to gimp SAM as much as a DRK or WAR.

Koga is SAMs premier weapon (esp in high lvl content)and offers 0acc.
 
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-10-22 09:35:46
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Valefor.Angierus said: »
idk what to say then, me leading parse over drk and wars while the other sams have trouble breaking 10%.


The other SAMs are in Abyssea mode then. (probably the DRK and WARs too)

Post the parse, maybe it will be obvious where the short fall is.
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By Carbuncle.Xenhas 2012-10-22 12:45:32
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I was under the impression that koga got acc with aftermath up
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-10-22 13:01:30
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Carbuncle.Xenhas said: »
I was under the impression that koga got acc with aftermath up


With the wrong AM up it can.
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By Carbuncle.Xenhas 2012-10-22 17:47:30
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Cerberus.Taihttp://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Mythic_Aftermathnt said: »
Carbuncle.Xenhas said: »
I was under the impression that koga got acc with aftermath up


With the wrong AM up it can.

So is the acc mentioned here http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Mythic_Aftermath#Mythic_Aftermath only on 100 or 200 tp or something?
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-10-22 17:50:43
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Carbuncle.Xenhas said: »
Cerberus.Taihttp://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Mythic_Aftermathnt said: »
Carbuncle.Xenhas said: »
I was under the impression that koga got acc with aftermath up


With the wrong AM up it can.

So is the acc mentioned here http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Mythic_Aftermath#Mythic_Aftermath only on 100 or 200 tp or something?


Yeah you can only have 1 AM active. Obviously AM3 (2-3) is what makes Mythics the beast that they are.
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By Carbuncle.Xenhas 2012-10-22 18:35:58
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I thought the acc came with each level of AM.

slightly lamer than I thought :(
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-10-22 18:46:25
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***, if only. Getting all 3 bonuses for level 3 would be pretty awesome
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By Jassik 2012-10-24 23:43:50
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Even so, SAM has some serious acc, I rarely find myself lacking acc with masamune and red curry buns. I also TP in like 47 ACC without regain, with I'm TPing in almost 60 simply because the best gear for that slot happens to have acc too. If you're having acc issues, change up your sets and move STP around, Amano's acc or mythic acc AM should be completely unneccessary outside of really high end stuff like legion, assuming you have an LS that takes SAM to legion.
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By Asura.Loneshadow 2012-10-25 15:01:47
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Ganesha's/Windbuffet beats Ele Gorget/Belt when ACC capped, correct?
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By Bismarck.Llewelyn 2012-10-25 15:02:58
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Yup.
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