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 Ramuh.Austar
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-05-22 16:02:44
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Ogier's legs, second pyrosoul, and ganesha's mala if you don't need accuracy. Other than that I think so.
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By Asura.Kaisuko 2012-05-22 16:02:59
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Sylph.Decimus said: »
Is this about as good as it gets?
Can probably use another Pyrosoul or Strigoi's in VW, and I think with the proper TP set, you can use Sword strap.
Edit: Beat on the first part and probably wrong on the second part. xD
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By Sylph.Decimus 2012-05-22 16:05:38
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Thank you very much. I have those things so I'm happy to make the switch.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-05-22 16:47:41
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Ramuh.Austar said: »
Ogier's legs, second pyrosoul, and ganesha's mala if you don't need accuracy. Other than that I think so.


Avant+1 coming out ahead for shoha. Ogier legs WSdmg boost only effects the first hit.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-05-22 16:48:27
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Cerberus.Taint said: »
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Ogier's legs, second pyrosoul, and ganesha's mala if you don't need accuracy. Other than that I think so.


Avant+1 coming out ahead for shoha. Ogier legs WSdmg boost only effects the first hit.
Do you have a link to any conclusive testing?
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By Carbuncle.Crollion 2012-05-22 16:57:40
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I don't have any parses or sc to prove taints point on that one but from the testing I've done on various t3s especially uptala since he don't wanna gimme his body piece avant still pulls ahead by roughly 100-300 damage over ogier with my setup mind u it ain't the best yet but it works for what I have while I complete my setup.
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By Antari 2012-05-22 17:10:10
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Is the Prosilio belt any good for Shoha?
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By Siren.Robthunder 2012-05-22 17:24:11
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Now I'm confused... Last thread I was reading was saying to make Masamune for the additional affect and to merit Shoha 5/5. That would be the "best" setup bar Amano. But now I read that the store tp+ one is better? Can anyone actually confirm which one is better from their experiences? Thanks! I just don't want to start my friend down the wrong trials... lol
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By Asura.Kaisuko 2012-05-22 17:29:52
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Siren.Robthunder said: »
Now I'm confused... Last thread I was reading was saying to make Masamune for the additional affect and to merit Shoha 5/5. That would be the "best" setup bar Amano. But now I read that the store tp+ one is better? Can anyone actually confirm which one is better from their experiences? Thanks! I just don't want to start my friend down the wrong trials... lol
When he asked "Is this about as good as it gets?" he meant for Kanto, not in general... Or I hope.
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By Siren.Robthunder 2012-05-22 17:36:23
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"...but the TP bonus GK beats out everything except maybe Amano." You said this, so I thought you meant including Masamune as well. Maybe I missed something? And what is Kanto? Sorry, I'm posting for my friend, he doesn't have an account. And I've never posted before...
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By Smurfite 2012-05-22 17:43:51
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Siren.Robthunder said: »
"...but the TP bonus GK beats out everything except maybe Amano." You said this, so I thought you meant including Masamune as well. Maybe I missed something? And what is Kanto? Sorry, I'm posting for my friend, he doesn't have an account. And I've never posted before...

Kantonotachi, tp bonus great katana, and I can personally tell you that an 85 masamune is utter garbage compared to it, not sure about 90 masamune but I would imagine the masa still loses.
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By Asura.Kaisuko 2012-05-22 17:46:02
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Smurfite said: »
Siren.Robthunder said: »
"...but the TP bonus GK beats out everything except maybe Amano." You said this, so I thought you meant including Masamune as well. Maybe I missed something? And what is Kanto? Sorry, I'm posting for my friend, he doesn't have an account. And I've never posted before...

Kantonotachi, tp bonus great katana, and I can personally tell you that an 85 masamune is utter garbage compared to it, not sure about 90 masamune but I would imagine the masa still loses.
Wouldn't say utter garbage. Actually with the save tp update I thought even 85 beat Kanto?
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By Siren.Fupafighters 2012-05-22 17:46:16
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Smurfite said: »
Siren.Robthunder said: »
"...but the TP bonus GK beats out everything except maybe Amano." You said this, so I thought you meant including Masamune as well. Maybe I missed something? And what is Kanto? Sorry, I'm posting for my friend, he doesn't have an account. And I've never posted before...

Kantonotachi, tp bonus great katana, and I can personally tell you that an 85 masamune is utter garbage compared to it, not sure about 90 masamune but I would imagine the masa still loses.
Only times I feel tp bonus wins, is in VW. In low man events, masa 90 has been excellent for me.
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By Siren.Fupafighters 2012-05-22 17:48:26
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And you have to take into account, people with 85 masa, are usually the idiots that use twilight fulltime and don't understand the job or what a 5 hit is.
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By Siren.Robthunder 2012-05-22 17:51:06
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And this is for Shoha only? Or all weaponskills? I mean back at 75 cap I knew Hagun was the best but, I didn't know if the damage rating now would make the store tp+100 GK up to par with the rest of the "end game" GKs. (ie. Masamune, Amanomurakumo). And we would most likely be leaving Masamune at 90, at least for a long time, so it basically comes down to lvl 90 masamune vs. lvl 99 Keintanotachi. And I'm gathering 5/5 Shoha is as good as it gets, WS wise?
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By Smurfite 2012-05-22 17:52:32
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Siren.Fupafighters said: »
Smurfite said: »
Siren.Robthunder said: »
"...but the TP bonus GK beats out everything except maybe Amano." You said this, so I thought you meant including Masamune as well. Maybe I missed something? And what is Kanto? Sorry, I'm posting for my friend, he doesn't have an account. And I've never posted before...

Kantonotachi, tp bonus great katana, and I can personally tell you that an 85 masamune is utter garbage compared to it, not sure about 90 masamune but I would imagine the masa still loses.
Only times I feel tp bonus wins, is in VW. In low man events, masa 90 has been excellent for me.

yea im not sure about the 90 masamune, I built amano before taking my masamune to 90, although i probably still will at some point, but 100% it still beats 85 masamune, actually should clarify, in a zerg situation, vw, ADL, any old 75 content nm, pw/av/sky gods/jailers etc, the kantonotachi wins, until my amano was 95 i still used the tp bonus, its that good, and so easy to make, and yes i use , instead of . Longest run on sentence ever.
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By Smurfite 2012-05-22 17:55:57
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Shoha = win. Fudo is nice for skillchains, but everyone I know including myself hates fudo. I have missed more fudo's than all other sam ws combined in the years I have the job.
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By Siren.Fupafighters 2012-05-22 17:59:19
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You know if you cap attack, shoha is garbage compared to fudo right lol? Example 1. Low man stuff.
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By Asura.Kaisuko 2012-05-22 18:03:23
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And if your white damage is more relevant, AM on 85Masa usually wins vs Kanto, I believe.
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By Smurfite 2012-05-22 18:15:50
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Siren.Fupafighters said: »
You know if you cap attack, shoha is garbage compared to fudo right lol? Example 1. Low man stuff.

ill post parse results tomorrow after ADL, 90 masa using fudo vs kanto shoha. shoha is never garbage 5/5, fudo is not even comparable.
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By Siren.Fupafighters 2012-05-22 18:18:41
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.... Lol. Shoha is appealing because of the attack boost. Give sam that much of an attack boost via chaos roll and songs, and watch fudo once.
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By Siren.Robthunder 2012-05-22 18:18:53
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What about Masa using Shoha instead of Fudo ? Or does the dmg bonus only apply to Fudo and not other weaponskills?
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By Siren.Fupafighters 2012-05-22 18:20:32
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Siren.Robthunder said: »
What about Masa using Shoha instead of Fudo ? Or does the dmg bonus only apply to Fudo and not other weaponskills?
Most masa sams do Fudo 300% in VW, then ride out shoha. Or if attack is capped, they use draco couse with 5/5 stardiver. Masa is kind of blah for VW.
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By Smurfite 2012-05-22 18:34:28
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Siren.Fupafighters said: »
.... Lol. Shoha is appealing because of the attack boost. Give sam that much of an attack boost via chaos roll and songs, and watch fudo once.

4 minuets and 4 rolls, kanto still wins. I make fudo out to sound a lot worse than it actually is, but its no where near what shoha can do. Unless you are talking 4 songs/4 rolls fudo VS shoha with just subjob buffs, wouldnt be surprised to see shoha win, against a 85 masamune fudo anyway.
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By Siren.Fupafighters 2012-05-22 18:39:12
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Smurfite said: »
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.... Lol. Shoha is appealing because of the attack boost. Give sam that much of an attack boost via chaos roll and songs, and watch fudo once.

4 minuets and 4 rolls, kanto still wins. I make fudo out to sound a lot worse than it actually is, but its no where near what shoha can do. Unless you are talking 4 songs/4 rolls fudo VS shoha with just subjob buffs, wouldnt be surprised to see shoha win, against a 85 masamune fudo anyway.
90....how would an 85 weapon ever compare to a 99 weapon? >.>
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By Smurfite 2012-05-22 19:05:49
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fudo
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Smurfite said: »
Siren.Fupafighters said: »
.... Lol. Shoha is appealing because of the attack boost. Give sam that much of an attack boost via chaos roll and songs, and watch fudo once.

4 minuets and 4 rolls, kanto still wins. I make fudo out to sound a lot worse than it actually is, but its no where near what shoha can do. Unless you are talking 4 songs/4 rolls fudo VS shoha with just subjob buffs, wouldnt be surprised to see shoha win, against a 85 masamune fudo anyway.
90....how would an 85 weapon ever compare to a 99 weapon? >.>

you claim fudo is so amazing, and im 99% sure 90 masamune using fudo will still lose miserably to kanto, also 85 masamune has more base dmg/+10str over kanto, so what is your point?
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By Siren.Fupafighters 2012-05-22 19:18:55
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Smurfite said: »
fudo
Siren.Fupafighters said: »
Smurfite said: »
Siren.Fupafighters said: »
.... Lol. Shoha is appealing because of the attack boost. Give sam that much of an attack boost via chaos roll and songs, and watch fudo once.

4 minuets and 4 rolls, kanto still wins. I make fudo out to sound a lot worse than it actually is, but its no where near what shoha can do. Unless you are talking 4 songs/4 rolls fudo VS shoha with just subjob buffs, wouldnt be surprised to see shoha win, against a 85 masamune fudo anyway.
90....how would an 85 weapon ever compare to a 99 weapon? >.>

you claim fudo is so amazing, and im 99% sure 90 masamune using fudo will still lose miserably to kanto, also 85 masamune has more base dmg/+10str over kanto, so what is your point?
My point is you're calling it superior to an 85 weapon. That I'm and I'm sure 99% of people know is true. Now compare it to say a 95 masa or 90 masa given buffs and factor in the aftermath damage and capped attack. Now compare shoha and fudo.
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By Smurfite 2012-05-22 19:23:02
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Im calling it superior to a 90 masamune, you are saying you cant compare an 85 weapon, that has higher base damage, and 10 str, to a 99 weapon, TP bonus + shoha will beat fudo everytime, and i never stated anything about a 95 masamune, I know that will beat out shoha with kanto, not in ws damage but in DOT. Cause as stated before, shoha > fudo.
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By Siren.Fupafighters 2012-05-22 19:36:19
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Lol...
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By Smurfite 2012-05-22 19:45:00
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Come talk to me when you actually know something about the weapons you are talking about, and the weaponskills, its plain to see you have no clue, enjoy wiffing fudo, and doing less damage than shoha when you actually do land your ws.
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