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Obama: France is our biggest Ally
By Luz 2011-01-11 11:09:42
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Leviathan.Raborn said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Sylph.Dobrusi said: Spicey, you can have a good debate/discussion without the language. Women and kids visit these forums and they don't need to read your profanity.
Oh yes, quote Neon's profanity and Serj's response to tell me something about my profanity. Good job living in the past.
Says the guy still talking about WoMD and the implications behind the Politics of the Iraq/Iran war in a thread over why France is considered a greater Ally to America than any other country in the world.
Are you dense?
Yeah, I just talk about WMDs because I feel like it.
I was responding to that HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE italian guy.
Anyway, yeah I should have put that bolded part before or after the part about women and profanity. Did you just ask Raborn if he's dense? Rofl. He defined dense bro.
By Luz 2011-01-11 11:11:01
Ramuh.Vinvv said: I haven't really read much of the thread because it's just full of angst either for or against French.
What I'm curious of is the context of the article, mainly because I haven't actually seen what Obama says in regards to(no audio on my work machine)
Did Obama literally say "We don’t have a stronger friend and stronger ally than Nicolas Sarkozy, and the French people."
For some reason I just get the feeling that the article is a spin and they left out some details about the conversation.
It seems like the OP's article is hinged on that one quote and the rest of it is just filler because they decided they'd rather report on that one line.
Anyone actually watch video of this conversation? Nope. Didn't take part in on-topic discussion either :D I was enjoying reading people cry and make up reasons that our head of state supposedly hates them for.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-01-11 11:12:10
Luz said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: I haven't really read much of the thread because it's just full of angst either for or against French.
What I'm curious of is the context of the article, mainly because I haven't actually seen what Obama says in regards to(no audio on my work machine)
Did Obama literally say "We don’t have a stronger friend and stronger ally than Nicolas Sarkozy, and the French people."
For some reason I just get the feeling that the article is a spin and they left out some details about the conversation.
It seems like the OP's article is hinged on that one quote and the rest of it is just filler because they decided they'd rather report on that one line.
Anyone actually watch video of this conversation? Nope. Didn't take part in on-topic discussion either :D I was enjoying reading people cry and make up reasons that our head of state supposedly hates them for. Contextually I can't get over the fact that it looks like it's just a spin and they are reporting on that rather than reporting on what the conversation was even about.
Maybe someone can shed some light on my question(one who has watched video)?
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By Leviathan.Raborn 2011-01-11 11:15:56
Ramuh.Vinvv said:
For some reason I just get the feeling that the article is a spin and they left out some details about the conversation.
Everything's a spin, in my earlier post I was noting a restriction on Media and being biased, guess no one caught that.
Of course it is fun to watch all of us squirm like worms on a single topic. And it does make for great table talk.
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By Bahamut.Zorander 2011-01-11 11:16:05
Ramuh.Vinvv said: Luz said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: I haven't really read much of the thread because it's just full of angst either for or against French. What I'm curious of is the context of the article, mainly because I haven't actually seen what Obama says in regards to(no audio on my work machine) Did Obama literally say "We don’t have a stronger friend and stronger ally than Nicolas Sarkozy, and the French people." For some reason I just get the feeling that the article is a spin and they left out some details about the conversation. It seems like the OP's article is hinged on that one quote and the rest of it is just filler because they decided they'd rather report on that one line. Anyone actually watch video of this conversation? Nope. Didn't take part in on-topic discussion either :D I was enjoying reading people cry and make up reasons that our head of state supposedly hates them for. Contextually I can't get over the fact that it looks like it's just a spin and they are reporting on that rather than reporting on what the conversation was even about. Maybe someone can shed some light on my question(one who has watched video)? Vinvv the voice of reason? I can't watch the video either (dammit work..) but I was rather enjoying the whole he said she said..
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By Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek 2011-01-11 11:16:34
Wasn't there a wikileaks cable that the US said Canada was our biggest ally?
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By Siren.Demetreos 2011-01-11 11:16:49
This thread needs moar religion, really turn the lolheat up.
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By Luz 2011-01-11 11:17:24
Ramuh.Vinvv said: Luz said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: I haven't really read much of the thread because it's just full of angst either for or against French.
What I'm curious of is the context of the article, mainly because I haven't actually seen what Obama says in regards to(no audio on my work machine)
Did Obama literally say "We don’t have a stronger friend and stronger ally than Nicolas Sarkozy, and the French people."
For some reason I just get the feeling that the article is a spin and they left out some details about the conversation.
It seems like the OP's article is hinged on that one quote and the rest of it is just filler because they decided they'd rather report on that one line.
Anyone actually watch video of this conversation? Nope. Didn't take part in on-topic discussion either :D I was enjoying reading people cry and make up reasons that our head of state supposedly hates them for. Contextually I can't get over the fact that it looks like it's just a spin and they are reporting on that rather than reporting on what the conversation was even about.
Maybe someone can shed some light on my question(one who has watched video)? Just did some searches and every Google result links to that same site that is in the OP. It's not even a story it looks like, just some U.K. journalist spinning something to get page views and make Brits on FFXIAH cry about Obama.
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By Bahamut.Zorander 2011-01-11 11:17:52
Siren.Demetreos said: This thread needs moar religion, really turn the lolheat up. You want Politics and religion in the same thread!!
Trouble will surely follow..
By Luz 2011-01-11 11:19:39
Leviathan.Raborn said: Ramuh.Vinvv said:
For some reason I just get the feeling that the article is a spin and they left out some details about the conversation.
Everything's a spin, in my earlier post I was noting a restriction on Media and being biased, guess no one caught that.
Of course it is fun to watch all of us squirm like worms on a single topic. And it does make for great table talk. Yes, you're such a pioneer! Nobody ever imagined the media toning down the bias and rhetoric. And what else was in your post? Oh yes... you would like our entire Congress to be replaced by people with no federal legislative experience. Nothing says "remedy to gridlock/corruption" like a whole new Congress of inexperienced legislators.
ur so smart d00d
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-01-11 11:19:57
Leviathan.Raborn said: Ramuh.Vinvv said:
For some reason I just get the feeling that the article is a spin and they left out some details about the conversation.
Everything's a spin, in my earlier post I was noting a restriction on Media and being biased, guess no one caught that.
Of course it is fun to watch all of us squirm like worms on a single topic. And it does make for great table talk. yeah I didn't catch that, I just did a quick skim and saw normal ffxiah talk...which is fine, but doesn't work since I wasn't here from the start of the article lol.
If you look at OP's article they make their report on pretty much that 1 liner.
the rest is just filler that doesn't serve much of a purpose to what they were trying to spin which makes me think maybe they should have spun it differently.
but I guess they have to try to make $ off of it and that's all they're looking for.
just goes to show how legitimate daily mail is lol.
i'da rather had a real news article.
just for the hell of it i'll quote the article.
Quote: Barack Obama has declared that France is America’s greatest ally, undermining Britain’s Special Relationship with the U.S.
The President risked offending British troops in Afghanistan by saying that French president Nicolas Sarkozy is a ‘stronger friend’ than David Cameron.
The remarks, during a White House appearance with Mr Sarkozy, will reinforce the widely-held view in British diplomatic circles that Mr Obama has less interest in the Special Relationship than any other recent American leader.
Mr Obama said: 'We don’t have a stronger friend and stronger ally than Nicolas Sarkozy, and the French people.'
The comments follow a pattern of coldness towards the UK. When Gordon Brown was prime minister, Mr Obama snubbed his requests for meetings in the U.S.
He also denounced Britain during his inauguration speech.
The UK has lost nearly 350 troops in the war against the Taliban – seven times as many as France.
And there are more than 10,000 British soldiers serving in Helmand province, compared with just 3,850 Frenchmen.Mr Obama's stance was swiftly condemned in Westminster.
Tory MP Patrick Mercer, a former commander(note "former commander") of the Sherwood Foresters regiment, said: 'I’m getting a bit fed up with the American President using terms like "best ally" so loosely.
'It’s Britain that has had more than 300 servicemen killed in Afghanistan, not France.
'That to my mind is a lot more powerful than any political gesture making.'(this looks to be more quotes from this "former commander")
The remarks also angered conservatives in Washington.
Nile Gardiner, director of the Margaret Thatcher Centre For Freedom at the Heritage Foundation think-tank, said: 'Quite what the French have done to merit this kind of high praise from the U.S. President is difficult to fathom.
'And if the White House means what it says this represents an extraordinary sea change in foreign policy.'Dr Gardiner, a former aide to Lady Thatcher, added: 'To suggest that Paris and not London is Washington’s strongest partner is simply ludicrous.
'Such a remark is not only factually wrong but insulting to Britain, not least coming just a few years after the French knifed Washington in the back over the war in Iraq.'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1346006/Barack-Obama-declares-France-biggest-ally-blow-Special-Relationship-Britain.html#ixzz1AkRhwb5W
edit:i added in some personal comments to my quoted post.
also what the heck is "Margaret Thatcher Centre For Freedom at the Heritage Foundation think-tank"
these sources don't seem like great resources.
maybe it would have been better to just ask someone off of the street?
or did they have to find something that looked official and had to throw in a vague "former commander"
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-01-11 11:21:37
The daily mail is for porn.
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By Bismarck.Elanabelle 2011-01-11 11:21:39
And ya'll make fun of the news links I post.
The source of this thread is a tabloid website.
Oh no, Obama said he considers France to be an important international ally.
Also, Kourtney Kardashian as lost weight, Eva Longoria had her Tony Parker tattoo lasered off, and I think I saw something about a gigantic insect-like alien crashing into Earth and using the skin of a man named "Ayer" to awkwardly walk around the city looking for Orion's Belt.
Hello, people, time to kick-start your brains for the day.
The USA considers both the UK and France to be important international partners and allies.
Any commentary to the contrary is unfounded and verbal diarrhea.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-01-11 11:22:43
God I'd like to kick you in the face elanabelle. If anyone deserves a good swift kick in the face, it's you.
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By Leviathan.Raborn 2011-01-11 11:24:05
Luz said:
Yes, you're such a pioneer! Nobody ever imagined the media toning down the bias and rhetoric. And what else was in your post? Oh yes... you would like our entire Congress to be replaced by people with no federal legislative experience. Nothing says "remedy to gridlock/corruption" like a whole new Congress of inexperienced legislators.
ur so smart d00d
a prime example of a spin.
im also picking up high levels of sarcasm.
oh noes its OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT!? 9000!
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9 T h o u s a n d.
His sarcasm is over 9000 if you didnt catch that. (insert hur dur der der hur derp derp derrrrs)
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-01-11 11:26:21
Yeah from the information they provided I am leaning more on the concept that this is a spin article over anything, regardless if this is a tabloid paper or not.
I guess manufacturing drama is good for $, tabloids are pretty good at that.
Have they found where Obama is from yet?
By Luz 2011-01-11 11:27:06
Leviathan.Raborn said: Luz said:
Yes, you're such a pioneer! Nobody ever imagined the media toning down the bias and rhetoric. And what else was in your post? Oh yes... you would like our entire Congress to be replaced by people with no federal legislative experience. Nothing says "remedy to gridlock/corruption" like a whole new Congress of inexperienced legislators.
ur so smart d00d
a prime example of a spin.
im also picking up high levels of sarcasm.
oh noes its OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT!? 9000!
OVER OVER
OVER
OVER
9 T h o u s a n d.
His sarcasm is over 9000 if you didnt catch that. (insert hur dur der der hur derp derp derrrrs)
Your post was a prime example of imaginative banter that people could just as easily find on the media networks you so vehemently oppose. Learn to post (at least seemingly) substantive resolutions to America's current discourse or expect to be taken as a joke.
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By Gilgamesh.Sephiel 2011-01-11 11:27:25
Odin.Zicdeh said: Pimpchan exists, so this is false.
Hopefully we're not a country filled with 60M of pimpchan' clones !
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2011-01-11 11:28:02
Ramuh.Vinvv said: Have they found where Obama is from yet? He's from Deviluke, I saw his tail.
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By Bahamut.Zorander 2011-01-11 11:34:28
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Zorander said: Siren.Demetreos said: This thread needs moar religion, really turn the lolheat up. You want Politics and religion in the same thread!! Trouble will surely follow.. Forum » Everything Else » Politics and Religion » Obama: France is our biggest Ally Touche.
But it doesn't mean all threads have both politics AND religion.
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By Bahamut.Zorander 2011-01-11 11:36:47
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Zorander said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Zorander said: Siren.Demetreos said: This thread needs moar religion, really turn the lolheat up. You want Politics and religion in the same thread!! Trouble will surely follow.. Forum » Everything Else » Politics and Religion » Obama: France is our biggest Ally Touche. But it doesn't mean all threads have both politics AND religion. No, but that is the rule for the flamecore. That or you post in it!!!
~zing?
By Luz 2011-01-11 11:38:01
FC'd threads must contain political and/or religious posts + some
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-01-11 11:40:42
so can anyone watch the video to see if Obama said "We don’t have a stronger friend and stronger ally than Nicolas Sarkozy, and the French people.", and also maybe check if it was taken out of context if it was said...
me=curious.
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By Leviathan.Raborn 2011-01-11 11:41:26
Luz said:
Your post was a prime example of imaginative banter that people could just as easily find on the media networks you so vehemently oppose. Learn to post (at least seemingly) substantive resolutions to America's current discourse or expect to be taken as a joke.
This is why we love each other so much.
You retort with sarcasm.
I sarcasm back.
And now this happens.
Your banter is the equivalent of my banter. Which is the equivalent of all others banter.
My resolutions may seem extreme and come as a joke to you, but they do work, they have worked, and will continue to do so. Even if only for a brief period of time until humankind forgets what the original purpose was.
Because my dear luz a man is a man. a machine is a machine. and the internet is the internet.
Are there other ways to recover a struggling nation? why of course.
However rather than critique my method and say its redundant how about you propose a plan?
Do discuss and explain your method in reviving a falling country.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2011-01-11 11:45:10
Leviathan.Raborn said: Luz said:
Your post was a prime example of imaginative banter that people could just as easily find on the media networks you so vehemently oppose. Learn to post (at least seemingly) substantive resolutions to America's current discourse or expect to be taken as a joke.
This is why we love each other so much.
You retort with sarcasm.
I sarcasm back.
And now this happens.
Your banter is the equivalent of my banter. Which is the equivalent of all others banter.
My resolutions may seem extreme and come as a joke to you, but they do work, they have worked, and will continue to do so. Even if only for a brief period of time until humankind forgets what the original purpose was.
Because my dear luz a man is a man. a machine is a machine. and the internet is the internet.
Are there other ways to recover a struggling nation? why of course.
However rather than critique my method and say its redundant how about you propose a plan?
Do discuss and explain your method in reviving a falling country.
KILL ALL THE PHONIES!
By Luz 2011-01-11 11:48:53
Leviathan.Raborn said: Luz said:
Your post was a prime example of imaginative banter that people could just as easily find on the media networks you so vehemently oppose. Learn to post (at least seemingly) substantive resolutions to America's current discourse or expect to be taken as a joke.
This is why we love each other so much.
You retort with sarcasm.
I sarcasm back.
And now this happens.
Your banter is the equivalent of my banter. Which is the equivalent of all others banter.
My resolutions may seem extreme and come as a joke to you, but they do work, they have worked, and will continue to do so. Even if only for a brief period of time until humankind forgets what the original purpose was.
Because my dear luz a man is a man. a machine is a machine. and the internet is the internet.
Are there other ways to recover a struggling nation? why of course.
However rather than critique my method and say its redundant how about you propose a plan?
Do discuss and explain your method in reviving a falling country.
How about you first clarify how my post that critiqued your post as banter is itself banter? Encouraging people to make substantive posts in regards to resolutions is banter? Your post was nothing short of imaginative. It's something that not only will never happen, it isn't practical. Pointing out banter isn't by association automatically banter. Your post was not only silly, it was contradictory to it's own message against the same kind of imaginative banter that the media makes.
You're a joke as always. By the way the name is Aneu buddy ;)
Daily Mail
Is this man for real?
Is this how ordinary Americans feel about the French and the British?
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