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Obama: France is our biggest Ally
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Bahamut.Lolserj
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By Bahamut.Lolserj 2011-01-11 08:42:19
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Fenrir.Cobblers said: Obama's a ***. End thread
He is a *** because...?
No one *** when Bush talks nicely about Poland.
didn't know he did that and wtf
i'm polish and i hate poland
i know too many people from that stupid *** country who think it's the greatest place in the world
By Luz 2011-01-11 08:43:57
Sylph.Anjali said: Luz said:
That has what exactly to do with my post?
Didn't you just complain about someone promoting stereotypes for your country to people who "have undoubtedly never traveled to/around."? There are only a few implications that can be taken from your response to what I said about China earlier and all of them contradict what you have just said. Unless you can explain why you said what you said without saying anything about those damn commies or what was in fox news about violations of human rights. Cause thats all there is to China... Common perceptions of Americans by people in other nations have nothing to do with common perceptions of foreign governments.
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By Bahamut.Lolserj 2011-01-11 08:46:50
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Lolserj said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Fenrir.Cobblers said: Obama's a ***. End thread
He is a *** because...?
No one *** when Bush talks nicely about Poland.
didn't know he did that and wtf
i'm polish and i hate poland
i know too many people from that stupid *** country who think it's the greatest place in the world
This greatest ally ***is just rhetoric anyway. Even if they were our best buddies why should people care or even throw out some bitching?
cuz it's france
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By Bahamut.Lolserj 2011-01-11 08:49:26
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Lolserj said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Bahamut.Lolserj said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Fenrir.Cobblers said: Obama's a ***. End thread
He is a *** because...?
No one *** when Bush talks nicely about Poland.
didn't know he did that and wtf
i'm polish and i hate poland
i know too many people from that stupid *** country who think it's the greatest place in the world
This greatest ally ***is just rhetoric anyway. Even if they were our best buddies why should people care or even throw out some bitching?
cuz it's france
So?
that's exactly why
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By Caitsith.Neonracer 2011-01-11 08:53:26
Well we all know when BIG DADDY went to war, to take on Saddam.. that taking on the Middle East and ridding the Evil would make America look all super cool... that with a small 4 year gap with Clinton ( HE would make a mockery of himself don't worry about the democrats) that Daddy said to Jerky son.. " Ya better get in there son, and finish what yer daddy started" ... was def a true sign...
...Even if lil Gerogie couldn't do the job, that he could def be a puppet, and let daddy pull the apron strings..
Oh C'mon americans... when George Jr was in power, we all really know it was daddy just finishing what he had started.
Damn Oil mongers...all about the greed.
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By Luz 2011-01-11 08:57:01
Sylph.Anjali said: Luz said: Sylph.Anjali said: Luz said:
That has what exactly to do with my post?
Didn't you just complain about someone promoting stereotypes for your country to people who "have undoubtedly never traveled to/around."? There are only a few implications that can be taken from your response to what I said about China earlier and all of them contradict what you have just said. Unless you can explain why you said what you said without saying anything about those damn commies or what was in fox news about violations of human rights. Cause thats all there is to China... Common perceptions of Americans by people in other nations have nothing to do with common perceptions of foreign governments.
They intersect with each other all the time. Also misses the point that your common perception of said government could be just as unfair as the common perceptions of people who haven't visited USA. I'm sorry you see some connection with my perception of the Chinese government not being a strong ally like our western European allies and my saying self-loathing Americans shouldn't complain about problems they help to perpetuate. There really isn't one though.
You're arguing semantics because I thought the China remark was silly because we have much more in common with western European countries/Canada/Australia than we ever will with a nation that has an atrocious human rights record. Furthermore it's silly to pretend that saying China is such a great ally will change our relationship in any way. Hate to break it to you but China needs America as much as America needs it. America is their largest trading partner.
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By Fenrir.Terminus 2011-01-11 09:03:46
Where's Pimpchan? I thought this was a reunion of some kind.
Damn, there is a lot of *** and butthurtedness in this thread for only being 3 pages.
How about this:
1. In what ways is France out biggest ally?
2. What's the case for other nations being our biggest ally?
3. What's the effect on anything if this statement is true, or if it's not true?
NOT:
derp. America sucks
herp. lolno u suck!
fail. nou!
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By Caitsith.Neonracer 2011-01-11 09:03:48
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Caitsith.Neonracer said: Well we all know when BIG DADDY went to war, to take on Saddam.. that taking on the Middle East and ridding the Evil would make America look all super cool... that with a small 4 year gap with Clinton ( HE would make a mockery of himself don't worry about the democrats) that Daddy said to Jerky son.. " Ya better get in there son, and finish what yer daddy started" ... was def a true sign...
...Even if lil Gerogie couldn't do the job, that he could def be a puppet, and let daddy pull the apron strings..
Oh C'mon americans... when George Jr was in power, we all really know it was daddy just finishing what he had started.
Damn Oil mongers...all about the greed.
Has anyone ever called you an idiot before? Oh, never mind I am sure I have at some point in time.
I made my point, Shut the *** up ***. Like your opinions are always informative.....
Go ahead and call Anye.. I guess you never learn from 2 days ago, ***! I'm tired of calling you out...
Got something to say to me, Take it to tell, and don't chasitise my Opinions u son of a ***!
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By Bahamut.Lolserj 2011-01-11 09:04:52
Caitsith.Neonracer said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Caitsith.Neonracer said: Well we all know when BIG DADDY went to war, to take on Saddam.. that taking on the Middle East and ridding the Evil would make America look all super cool... that with a small 4 year gap with Clinton ( HE would make a mockery of himself don't worry about the democrats) that Daddy said to Jerky son.. " Ya better get in there son, and finish what yer daddy started" ... was def a true sign...
...Even if lil Gerogie couldn't do the job, that he could def be a puppet, and let daddy pull the apron strings..
Oh C'mon americans... when George Jr was in power, we all really know it was daddy just finishing what he had started.
Damn Oil mongers...all about the greed.
Has anyone ever called you an idiot before? Oh, never mind I am sure I have at some point in time.
I made my point, Shut the *** up ***. Like your opinions are always informative.....
Go ahead and call Anye.. I guess you never learn from 2 days ago, ***! I'm tired of calling you out...
i don't see your point
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-01-11 09:05:58
Neon, most of your arguments are autoschediastic in nature.
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By Caitsith.Neonracer 2011-01-11 09:06:01
Bahamut.Lolserj said: Caitsith.Neonracer said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Caitsith.Neonracer said: Well we all know when BIG DADDY went to war, to take on Saddam.. that taking on the Middle East and ridding the Evil would make America look all super cool... that with a small 4 year gap with Clinton ( HE would make a mockery of himself don't worry about the democrats) that Daddy said to Jerky son.. " Ya better get in there son, and finish what yer daddy started" ... was def a true sign...
...Even if lil Gerogie couldn't do the job, that he could def be a puppet, and let daddy pull the apron strings..
Oh C'mon americans... when George Jr was in power, we all really know it was daddy just finishing what he had started.
Damn Oil mongers...all about the greed.
Has anyone ever called you an idiot before? Oh, never mind I am sure I have at some point in time.
I made my point, Shut the *** up ***. Like your opinions are always informative.....
Go ahead and call Anye.. I guess you never learn from 2 days ago, ***! I'm tired of calling you out...
i don't see your point
My POINT has nothing to do with Fance.. but Im saying that the war is all based about OIL and Greed.. ok? excuse me for jacking the thread..
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By Bahamut.Lolserj 2011-01-11 09:07:09
Caitsith.Neonracer said: Bahamut.Lolserj said: Caitsith.Neonracer said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Caitsith.Neonracer said: Well we all know when BIG DADDY went to war, to take on Saddam.. that taking on the Middle East and ridding the Evil would make America look all super cool... that with a small 4 year gap with Clinton ( HE would make a mockery of himself don't worry about the democrats) that Daddy said to Jerky son.. " Ya better get in there son, and finish what yer daddy started" ... was def a true sign...
...Even if lil Gerogie couldn't do the job, that he could def be a puppet, and let daddy pull the apron strings..
Oh C'mon americans... when George Jr was in power, we all really know it was daddy just finishing what he had started.
Damn Oil mongers...all about the greed.
Has anyone ever called you an idiot before? Oh, never mind I am sure I have at some point in time.
I made my point, Shut the *** up ***. Like your opinions are always informative.....
Go ahead and call Anye.. I guess you never learn from 2 days ago, ***! I'm tired of calling you out...
i don't see your point
My POINT has nothing to do with Fance.. but Im saying that the war is all based about OIL and Greed.. ok? excuse me for jacking the thread..
what are you talking aboot
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-01-11 09:08:19
Is any war not based on greed of some sort?
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By Caitsith.Neonracer 2011-01-11 09:08:49
Shiva.Flionheart said: Neon, most of your arguments are autoschediastic in nature.
Sometimes, its non arguementative..
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By Bahamut.Lolserj 2011-01-11 09:09:44
Shiva.Flionheart said: Is any war not based on greed of some sort?
well im pretty sure most wars have been over resources or land
i think it's more about how Bush didn't go out and say "We're going to skullfuck them for their oil" instead he said we're gonna go to war for freedom and liberty etc.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-01-11 09:09:56
You put a negative connotation on all the points you make, and this spurs on an argument, whether you be implicit with it or not.
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By Bismarck.Maxse 2011-01-11 09:11:32
D Bahamut.Lolserj said: Caitsith.Neonracer said: Pandemonium.Spicyryan said: Caitsith.Neonracer said: Well we all know when BIG DADDY went to war, to take on Saddam.. that taking on the Middle East and ridding the Evil would make America look all super cool... that with a small 4 year gap with Clinton ( HE would make a mockery of himself don't worry about the democrats) that Daddy said to Jerky son.. " Ya better get in there son, and finish what yer daddy started" ... was def a true sign...
...Even if lil Gerogie couldn't do the job, that he could def be a puppet, and let daddy pull the apron strings..
Oh C'mon americans... when George Jr was in power, we all really know it was daddy just finishing what he had started.
Damn Oil mongers...all about the greed.
Has anyone ever called you an idiot before? Oh, never mind I am sure I have at some point in time.
I made my point, Shut the *** up ***. Like your opinions are always informative.....
Go ahead and call Anye.. I guess you never learn from 2 days ago, ***! I'm tired of calling you out...
i don't see your point
His point is that he's an immature little kid that resorts to insults when he's losing an argument.
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By Luz 2011-01-11 09:18:06
When he doesn't have an argument, he pretends to go to sleep and says "I'll PM you links" to the person he lost to.
By Luz 2011-01-11 09:40:02
Sylph.Anjali said: Luz said: Sylph.Anjali said: Luz said: Sylph.Anjali said: Luz said:
That has what exactly to do with my post?
Didn't you just complain about someone promoting stereotypes for your country to people who "have undoubtedly never traveled to/around."? There are only a few implications that can be taken from your response to what I said about China earlier and all of them contradict what you have just said. Unless you can explain why you said what you said without saying anything about those damn commies or what was in fox news about violations of human rights. Cause thats all there is to China... Common perceptions of Americans by people in other nations have nothing to do with common perceptions of foreign governments.
They intersect with each other all the time. Also misses the point that your common perception of said government could be just as unfair as the common perceptions of people who haven't visited USA. I'm sorry you see some connection with my perception of the Chinese government not being a strong ally like our western European allies and my saying self-loathing Americans shouldn't complain about problems they help to perpetuate. There really isn't one though.
You're arguing semantics because I thought the China remark was silly because we have much more in common with western European countries/Canada/Australia than we ever will with a nation that has an atrocious human rights record. Furthermore it's silly to pretend that saying China is such a great ally will change our relationship in any way. Hate to break it to you but China needs America as much as America needs it. America is their largest trading partner.
This won't always be true. You lack foresight if you believe that China will always have to rely on USA as much as USA will rely on it. Eventually most of the world will rely on China, much like most of the world relied on USA until now, as demonstrated by how the world stinks after the American economy took a nosedive. The world is a constant cycle, every dog has it's day.
Hence it makes much more sense to build stronger relations with China than it does France. But hey, this was never about building better economic ties lol I only brought that in as a point for the sake of argument. And I still think what you said isn't really different from people having stereotypical views of USA. China does have a bad record with human rights, but that doesn't mean you should pre-judge them in every situation - not all Chinese people want to violate human rights (including those working in government, all things inevitably change), just like not all Americans represent the stereotypes you talk of. That goes without saying. In 50 years: you, your children, and your grandchildren will be saying how China is the great evil in the world. Still doesn't change much as far as who we are declaring to be our great allies. We still have little in common with China. They're not going to try to use our remarks about who our allies are determine whether or not trading with us is in their best interest. There's nothing to be gained by sucking up to China.
The basis of modern day Chinese xenophobia is the eventual realization everyone comes to that China will be the world's greatest superpower. I did not state anywhere in my post that the U.S. would be on top forever as only the delusion would think so. It's already accepted the world over that this century is going to be China's century.
I've never read one post on this site that even discusses what the Chinese people are like. It would be ridiculous to post about Chinese people violating their own human rights rather than their government. There's still no parallel between my saying Americans shouldn't make self-loathing posts and the Chinese government is not one of our greatest allies and does not share the western values we have.
Among those being human rights themselves. Not just as it pertains to everyday living but to how they react when their is a movement for reform in their country. In western countries like America we would never use our military to subjugate civil unrest. I can never imagine a day when we have tanks rolling through the streets of New York to combat protesters.
Daily Mail
Is this man for real?
Is this how ordinary Americans feel about the French and the British?
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