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 Ramuh.Vinvv
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-11-24 18:42:00
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: So you gonna answer my question yet?
Do you believe this:
Quote:
lack of belief isn't a belief
?
Yes/No Answer please.
I already did.
So you gonna answer my question yet?
Do you believe this:
Quote:
lack of belief isn't a belief
?
Yes/No Answer please.
I know you can hit the keys "Y E S/N O"
It's not hard.
Just humor me for a second and answer this specific question.
With either a Yes or a No.
It's not a matter of belief, unless you're asking if I believe in reality, yes I believe in reality, if such a thing happens to be part of reality then whatever. What part of Yes or No do you not understand.?
Answer this question verbatim.
Do you believe that the "lack of belief isn't a belief"?
Yes or No.
Don't throw any extra words in there.
Just a straight yes or no answer.
You throw in other things that you say you believe in but I'm not asking you that.
again.
So you gonna answer my question yet?
Do you believe this:
Quote:
lack of belief isn't a belief
?
Yes/No Answer please.
I know you can hit the keys "Y E S/N O"
It's not hard.
Just humor me for a second and answer this specific question.
With either a Yes or a No.
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By Phoenix.Smileybone 2010-11-24 18:42:32
I find it ironic that Jet makes the comparison of people being brainwashed into religion while Jet's argument sounds like a carbon copy of just about every other atheist I've discussed this with.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-24 18:42:36
I'll be back later to read your probably lolresponse, however for now I must go shop for things I don't need (but would like very much to have).
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-11-24 18:43:30
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: I'll be back later to read your probably lolresponse, however for now I must go shop for things I don't need (but would like very much to have). I'll take that as a Yes then.
You believe, so continue lying to yourself and never answering questions directly and bringing up other things that don't have to do with the simple question at hand.
You act the same as many illogical people that you talk ***about.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-24 18:43:41
Phoenix.Smileybone said: I find it ironic that Jet makes the comparison of people being brainwashed into religion while Jet's argument sounds like a carbon copy of just about every other atheist I've discussed this with.
Well I'm happy to know that there other smart people around.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-24 18:45:12
Ramuh.Vinvv said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: So you gonna answer my question yet?
Do you believe this:
Quote:
lack of belief isn't a belief
?
Yes/No Answer please.
I already did.
So you gonna answer my question yet?
Do you believe this:
Quote:
lack of belief isn't a belief
?
Yes/No Answer please.
I know you can hit the keys "Y E S/N O"
It's not hard.
Just humor me for a second and answer this specific question.
With either a Yes or a No.
It's not a matter of belief, unless you're asking if I believe in reality, yes I believe in reality, if such a thing happens to be part of reality then whatever. What part of Yes or No do you not understand.?
Answer this question verbatim.
Do you believe that the "lack of belief isn't a belief"?
Yes or No.
Don't throw any extra words in there.
Just a straight yes or no answer.
You throw in other things that you say you believe in but I'm not asking you that.
again.
So you gonna answer my question yet?
Do you believe this:
Quote:
lack of belief isn't a belief
?
Yes/No Answer please.
I know you can hit the keys "Y E S/N O"
It's not hard.
Just humor me for a second and answer this specific question.
With either a Yes or a No.
hey ***, pay attention
it's not a "yes, or no" question, it's a loaded question full of *** and I've given it more of a dignified response than it deserves, so *** off.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-24 18:46:06
Ramuh.Vinvv said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: I'll be back later to read your probably lolresponse, however for now I must go shop for things I don't need (but would like very much to have). I'll take that as a Yes then.
You believe, so continue lying to yourself and never answering questions directly and bringing up other things that don't have to do with the simple question at hand.
You act the same as many illogical people that you talk ***about.
Again it's not a direct question, you're questioning reality in itself, so shut up.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2010-11-24 18:46:50
Lakshmi.Flavin said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Lakshmi.Flavin said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Lakshmi.Flavin said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Lakshmi.Flavin said: @ Jet
Some of us live in a world based on illogical thinking lol..... (and no I'm not talking about religious faith)
yeah I know, I detest it.
Is having faith that a friend will back you up in a time of need illogical? (just testing the waters)
unless they have done it before yes, it is illogical to expect such an outcome unless you have a reason to.
Here's where the term "blind faith" comes in.
Just because someone has been there before doesn't mean they will be there again. Thing is you can never really know for sure. Does that mean we should never believe in anything unless we can know 100% for sure it will work?
You shouldn't believe in things without reason, however even if you have a reason the reason can be faulty.
So your saying you can believe in something if you have a reason even if that reason could be faulty? even if the reason can't be used to prove what will happen?
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-11-24 18:47:23
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: hey ***, pay attention
it's not a "yes, or no" question, it's a loaded question full of *** and I've given it more of a dignified response than it deserves, so *** off. How is it a loaded question?
You are just saying that because you don't want to accept the fact that I'm right.
Do you believe that a lack of belief isn't a belief?
How is that a loaded question?
No, I do not believe that a lack of belief isn't a belief.
Yes, I do believe that a lack of belief isn't a belief.
You are just saying it's loaded because you are full of it.
You bring "reality" into the equation unnecessarily.
It's an easy question to answer unless you can't give straight answers.
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By Phoenix.Smileybone 2010-11-24 18:49:29
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Smileybone said: I find it ironic that Jet makes the comparison of people being brainwashed into religion while Jet's argument sounds like a carbon copy of just about every other atheist I've discussed this with.
Well I'm happy to know that there other smart people around.
I thought that kind of thinking where we are 'brainwashed' into believing others ideas was 'illogical' to you.
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By Ramuh.Vinvv 2010-11-24 18:54:03
Which is why Jet is illogical.
He can just keep on spouting his logical fallacies and insult others that do the same but that doesn't make him any better lol.
Jet is illogical, so he's self-loathing.
Which makes sense.
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By Ragnarok.Anye 2010-11-24 18:57:21
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Ragnarok.Anye said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Ragnarok.Anye said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: a lack of belief isn't a belief. do you believe that?
it's just how it is
I'm done here I can sit here and say 1 doesn't equal 2 and you're going to say "do you believe that?" there's a difference between facts and beliefs and you fail to see it. It's like saying "an opinion isn't a fact." Isn't that a fact?
There's a difference between "lacking belief" and "believing that there is nothing to believe in."
And personally I don't believe there's a such thing as the former.
people are born without a belief in something, people brainwash people with said beliefs, unconverting or never converting in the first place is certainly possible.
Given that, wouldn't you say that you would have to place yourself in the category of having been "brainwashed" of your "lack of belief"? I understand this tabula rasa argument, but it would be inhuman to be free of the fact that certain experiences in one's life create one's outlook on life.
I guess brainwashed is harsh, but typically most are brainwashed by others into religions, although some find their own way, but typically it requires some sort of source material unless they made their own religion. I however don't have a religion, had one, lost faith in it and I don't see why people must believe in something. So, in other words, you believe that there's no reason to believe in something?
You obviously went through some sort of perspective-changing experience that provided a valid reason to "lose your faith."
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By Phoenix.Excelior 2010-11-24 21:32:49
Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: Story. said: A Catholic priest, facing criminal charges and a lawsuit alleging that he sexually abused a teenage boy, is now charged with attempting to hire someone to kill the youth, authorities said Tuesday. Source: Source Even the holiest of men can be tainted by evil. You would think by now people would look at the priests as evil horny *** and stop following them.
Hey way to be another dumb ***. I guess just because a minority of priests engage in an action it must be a majority. People like you see everyone in black and white. You're incredibly narrow-minded and quite frankly, stupid.
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By Siren.Stewie 2010-11-24 22:06:24
Phoenix.Excelior said: Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: Story. said: A Catholic priest, facing criminal charges and a lawsuit alleging that he sexually abused a teenage boy, is now charged with attempting to hire someone to kill the youth, authorities said Tuesday. Source: Source Even the holiest of men can be tainted by evil. You would think by now people would look at the priests as evil horny *** and stop following them.
Hey way to be another dumb ***. I guess just because a minority of priests engage in an action it must be a majority. People like you see everyone in black and white. You're incredibly narrow-minded and quite frankly, stupid.
We just like to throw around stereotypes because of the majority of creationists that think "hurr atheist must hate everyone/be violent/be an idiot etc"
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By Phoenix.Ingraham 2010-11-24 22:31:06
Siren.Stewie said:
They stereotype us, so we'll stereotype them back!
This only perpetuates the problem.
Until we individually learn to stop assuming and making generalizations, regardless of background and how much you think you're "right", this nonsense will continue to live on.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-24 22:47:13
Ramuh.Vinvv said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: hey ***, pay attention
it's not a "yes, or no" question, it's a loaded question full of *** and I've given it more of a dignified response than it deserves, so *** off. How is it a loaded question?
You are just saying that because you don't want to accept the fact that I'm right.
Do you believe that a lack of belief isn't a belief?
How is that a loaded question?
No, I do not believe that a lack of belief isn't a belief.
Yes, I do believe that a lack of belief isn't a belief.
You are just saying it's loaded because you are full of it.
You bring "reality" into the equation unnecessarily.
It's an easy question to answer unless you can't give straight answers.
considering it's a part of reality and you're questioning if I believe in something that's part of reality.
Do you believe that a lack of belief isn't a belief?
is akin to asking
do you believe that 1+2=3
everyone knows the answer, there's no need to question it.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-24 22:49:31
Ragnarok.Anye said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Ragnarok.Anye said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Ragnarok.Anye said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Ramuh.Vinvv said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: a lack of belief isn't a belief. do you believe that?
it's just how it is
I'm done here I can sit here and say 1 doesn't equal 2 and you're going to say "do you believe that?" there's a difference between facts and beliefs and you fail to see it. It's like saying "an opinion isn't a fact." Isn't that a fact?
There's a difference between "lacking belief" and "believing that there is nothing to believe in."
And personally I don't believe there's a such thing as the former.
people are born without a belief in something, people brainwash people with said beliefs, unconverting or never converting in the first place is certainly possible.
Given that, wouldn't you say that you would have to place yourself in the category of having been "brainwashed" of your "lack of belief"? I understand this tabula rasa argument, but it would be inhuman to be free of the fact that certain experiences in one's life create one's outlook on life.
I guess brainwashed is harsh, but typically most are brainwashed by others into religions, although some find their own way, but typically it requires some sort of source material unless they made their own religion. I however don't have a religion, had one, lost faith in it and I don't see why people must believe in something. So, in other words, you believe that there's no reason to believe in something?
You obviously went through some sort of perspective-changing experience that provided a valid reason to "lose your faith."
no, there is no reason, unless of course you can provide one? Not really, just realized that the entire christian religion is *** HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-24 22:53:32
Phoenix.Smileybone said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Phoenix.Smileybone said: I find it ironic that Jet makes the comparison of people being brainwashed into religion while Jet's argument sounds like a carbon copy of just about every other atheist I've discussed this with.
Well I'm happy to know that there other smart people around.
I thought that kind of thinking where we are 'brainwashed' into believing others ideas was 'illogical' to you.
if you don't know the difference between brain washing and multiple people coming to the same logical conclusion then are an idiot.
Ramuh.Vinvv said: Which is why Jet is illogical.
He can just keep on spouting his logical fallacies and insult others that do the same but that doesn't make him any better lol.
Jet is illogical, so he's self-loathing.
Which makes sense.
They aren't logical fallacies, however you're the one who keeps "spouting" them.
Very far from illogical, you just fail to understand, nor am I "self-loathing."
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2010-11-24 22:55:53
How come I don't get one of your demeaning retorts to my question Jet? I feel left out....
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-11-24 22:57:04
Lakshmi.Flavin said: How come I don't get one of your demeaning retorts to my question Jet? I feel left out....
He waits until your offline so no-one will argue with him.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-24 22:58:03
Lakshmi.Flavin said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Lakshmi.Flavin said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Lakshmi.Flavin said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Lakshmi.Flavin said: @ Jet
Some of us live in a world based on illogical thinking lol..... (and no I'm not talking about religious faith)
yeah I know, I detest it.
Is having faith that a friend will back you up in a time of need illogical? (just testing the waters)
unless they have done it before yes, it is illogical to expect such an outcome unless you have a reason to.
Here's where the term "blind faith" comes in.
Just because someone has been there before doesn't mean they will be there again. Thing is you can never really know for sure. Does that mean we should never believe in anything unless we can know 100% for sure it will work?
You shouldn't believe in things without reason, however even if you have a reason the reason can be faulty.
So your saying you can believe in something if you have a reason even if that reason could be faulty? even if the reason can't be used to prove what will happen?
If the reason is logical, then by all means.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-24 22:58:41
Shiva.Flionheart said: Lakshmi.Flavin said: How come I don't get one of your demeaning retorts to my question Jet? I feel left out....
He waits until your offline so no-one will argue with him. no I was in a hurry earlier and forgot he posted a reply, dipshit.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-11-24 23:00:24
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Lakshmi.Flavin said: How come I don't get one of your demeaning retorts to my question Jet? I feel left out....
He waits until your offline so no-one will argue with him. no I was in a hurry earlier and forgot he posted a reply, dipshit.
Lying again.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-24 23:00:50
Shiva.Flionheart said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Lakshmi.Flavin said: How come I don't get one of your demeaning retorts to my question Jet? I feel left out....
He waits until your offline so no-one will argue with him. no I was in a hurry earlier and forgot he posted a reply, dipshit.
Lying again.
prove it.
hell prove I was lying in the first place.
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2010-11-24 23:03:55
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Lakshmi.Flavin said: How come I don't get one of your demeaning retorts to my question Jet? I feel left out....
He waits until your offline so no-one will argue with him. no I was in a hurry earlier and forgot he posted a reply, dipshit.
Lying again.
prove it.
hell prove I was lying in the first place.
Prove that you aren't.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2010-11-24 23:04:18
Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Lakshmi.Flavin said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Lakshmi.Flavin said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Lakshmi.Flavin said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Lakshmi.Flavin said: @ Jet
Some of us live in a world based on illogical thinking lol..... (and no I'm not talking about religious faith)
yeah I know, I detest it.
Is having faith that a friend will back you up in a time of need illogical? (just testing the waters)
unless they have done it before yes, it is illogical to expect such an outcome unless you have a reason to.
Here's where the term "blind faith" comes in.
Just because someone has been there before doesn't mean they will be there again. Thing is you can never really know for sure. Does that mean we should never believe in anything unless we can know 100% for sure it will work?
You shouldn't believe in things without reason, however even if you have a reason the reason can be faulty.
So your saying you can believe in something if you have a reason even if that reason could be faulty? even if the reason can't be used to prove what will happen?
If the reason is logical, then by all means.
I'm interested, what's the process you go through to prove something to be logical?
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-24 23:07:17
Shiva.Flionheart said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Shiva.Flionheart said: Lakshmi.Flavin said: How come I don't get one of your demeaning retorts to my question Jet? I feel left out....
He waits until your offline so no-one will argue with him. no I was in a hurry earlier and forgot he posted a reply, dipshit.
Lying again.
prove it.
hell prove I was lying in the first place.
Prove that you aren't.
Don't need to, burden of proof is upon the prosecutor.
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By Bahamut.Jetackuu 2010-11-24 23:08:18
Lakshmi.Flavin said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Lakshmi.Flavin said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Lakshmi.Flavin said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Lakshmi.Flavin said: Bahamut.Jetackuu said: Lakshmi.Flavin said: @ Jet
Some of us live in a world based on illogical thinking lol..... (and no I'm not talking about religious faith)
yeah I know, I detest it.
Is having faith that a friend will back you up in a time of need illogical? (just testing the waters)
unless they have done it before yes, it is illogical to expect such an outcome unless you have a reason to.
Here's where the term "blind faith" comes in.
Just because someone has been there before doesn't mean they will be there again. Thing is you can never really know for sure. Does that mean we should never believe in anything unless we can know 100% for sure it will work?
You shouldn't believe in things without reason, however even if you have a reason the reason can be faulty.
So your saying you can believe in something if you have a reason even if that reason could be faulty? even if the reason can't be used to prove what will happen?
If the reason is logical, then by all means.
I'm interested, what's the process you go through to prove something to be logical?
science.
Story. said: A Catholic priest, facing criminal charges and a lawsuit alleging that he sexually abused a teenage boy, is now charged with attempting to hire someone to kill the youth, authorities said Tuesday.
Source: Source
Even the holiest of men can be tainted by evil. You would think by now people would look at the priests as evil horny fuckers and stop following them.
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