New Trust System - Who Will You Upgrade First?

Quotes like this make literally every programmer on the planet's skin crawl, simultaneously.

a good question for this thread now that we know a little more about the upgrade is: What fight will you be able to win with the new trust system that you weren't able to win with the old system?

We are paying a full monthly sub comparable to World of Warcraft and FF14 to a billion dollar company, that are offering barely anything for that money due to only having 2 developers working on the game and the one thing they were working on that a lot of people were looking forward to they are giving the bare minimum version of.

Still at it, keep it up!

Your sited source is a year old from the 2025 23rd anniversary interview, a lot has happened in a year...

You should really update your information, but since I'm in a good mood I'll do it so ppl aren't being mislead

"Initial phase boosting hp, mp and base stats"

Let me correct this, in addition we get a merit system, the rest of the system is still being developed (by one guy who's also pulling all nighters wrapping up limbus)

In March they held a special Primed for Adventure interview with Fujito and an EN interpreter on twitch answering primarily questions about the trusts, this is the most relevant timestamp here they say they are aiming for end of year 2026 to have the trust attachments added.

At the same time they updated their lore website We are Vana'diel with all the trust information and more https://we-are-vanadiel.finalfantasyxi.com/post/?id=922

Which is where the other planned upgrades come from as well as this image, describing each trust role, tank, melee fighter, etc is going to have it's own equipment page




What is this comment even mean? "It would not have been difficult for them to use this system" They are using it and have even said a few of the attachments they are planning to add such as OAT crazy!!

They've also added a nugget of information in that website "We also planning to implement new content that you can take on alongside your upgraded alter egos". Limbus is already out, we know of the addon story HTBFs, could be those, but it could also be something entirely different. Don't know for now, maybe this weekend we get a peek.

They've also talked before about how they are going to implement these attachments, I don't remember which aman live it was nor do I care to look for it, but they said they were toying with the idea of adding new open world NMs across vana'diel as well as possibly making the attachments craftable. We'll see in time how it all pans out.


You ain't payin ***

Honestly haven't been able to take you serious this whole thread and I hope noone else has.

For the rest of us, I'm looking forward to all the trust updates, I use them everyday and I'm glad that it's not a tacked on extra grind to compete with limbus, odyssey or sortie.

Make sure to do the upcoming new moogle anni event!! Trust Tome (100 points)!

Let's be clear:

They added a system, in a way to get as much money out of us as possible by offering a small amount of upgrades every month. That you have to sub PER MONTH to get, be gone for 10 months? You miss 10 months of upgrades (FOMO MOBILE GAME BS, when every other piece of "new" content is designed to be the same).

They also made it in a way where it is NONTENT, and you can finish it in an hour.

When the new content they are adding is crap to casual players, what the hell do they think people are going to react to adding trust upgrades in the way they did? Limbus is ***, Sortie is not for casual players, they refuse to add anyuthing to Ambuscade rewards. What have casual players got in the past year? besieged 13 that is over in 10 mins?

This is stuff people have been looking forward to for over a year, when other things they added are not good.

Secondly, if what you say is true then it's not my fault they are so utter G A R B A G E at communicating to their customers, that's not our fault. If they had more to come (which I'm not sure there is more at all, and neither are you), then they should say so properly and not be a dunce. They are FULLY aware people were not happy with the updates, they even took questions on reddit and there was no comment on what you said there.

It's not our job to act like private investigators to piece together what teh hell they are doing, it should be stated in the update notes that more is coming.

This is a billion dollar company, that has translators in house and a literal community team that is paid full time to communicate with its players, we get more communication from the flying spaghetti monster.

Not only does the sub not drop when they keep loweing the number of developers, but they keep finding new ways to get more money out of us (such as AMAN trover, which magically you can send all the drops from it to alts when it suits them, cause it's pay to win paying for rerolls). All while giving us less and less content, and saying how they were thinking of sunsetting the game BUT FF14 players started coming so they decvided to keep going. Oh I'm sorry, are we that have PAID to play this game for 23 years not enough for them? I guess we are *** shitters!?, oh pardon me Square Enix I didn't know 40k people paying a sub wasn't worth your time!

This is not some mom and pop stand selling oranges, absolute clown show company that can't make games anymore worth a damn.


Limbus is *** ***m8 and it's desiged to drag out and be ***and people are geting sick and tired of it as content, btw that's their job they are getting paid by us to do it.


I went from 6 accounts with numerous alts for various reasons (most of which I have paid for over 12 years), to 1 account and 1 character. Cause they are treating their loyal cuastomers like ***the last few years, and I'm not happy about the way they communicate since Fujito took over and the content they are adding for that money.

When Matsui was in charge I kept my accounts subbed, even when I wasn't playing cause he was putting effort in, had passion for the game and I felt I wanted to support that.

Ever since Fujito took over it's been messaging and content that has been the exact opposite of repsect for thier paying customers, his initial communication when he took over was talking about not wantint to ruin developers careers by being attached to the game. What the hell even is that, who talks like that to customers paying money for a service?

Also even if I wasn't paying (which I am) I can still say whatever I want about game I've put 20+ years into anyway.


I will take those crumbs (I'm paying the least I can as a pointless protest, and I'm still mad at how they are doing it), but I'm still not happy about how they implemented the entire system. I wanted to level this stuff as content, cause most of the new stuff they have added is crap that is designed to take as long as possible and keep you subbed as long as possible in the most cynical and obvious way possible.

I believe that was a while back and was referring to Omega/Ultima that were added in Limbus.

It was most likely talking about the Kirin and Fafnir ff14 crossover events, that they remove in a few weeks and then bring back months later.

If they left those in the game permanently it would at least be something useful.

They'll do the real adjustments when they're a trillion dollar company, please look forward to it

Quoting useful info!

I magic skills for a slight Sylvie buff may still be one of our best uses of this system so far.

If only you could have a good healer so that you could use sylvie.

A year+ for monbro is trashy

...And the haste 1 problem. of course.

I was hoping the trust buffs would at least open up content like HTBF Odin D-VD for a wider variaty of jobs other than RDM.

I'm sceptical what we see here is going to open any higher difficulty for any job than what they could do before it. But there are still further improvements promised for the future, right?

When they get +1000 Meva they'll open up new stuff

Not even an exaggeration. They have absolute zero, damn near zero, or functionally zero, whichever. Except Yoran.

I think Odin in particular would become more feasible if one of the buffing RDM trusts had access to Bio III and enough MACC to land silence or at least trigger immunobreaks.

The thing is they don't even try if they think they can't land it, their shitty AI would get stuck in a loop forever trying to land unlandable silence.

Would state they can't even get immunobreaks if it weren't for that one screenshot someone got. Since they won't even make the attempt.

I think the gap right now is that base stats (possibly except meva) aren't really what trusts lack for endgame, but that is what they are giving us right now.

When we get a "song+7 and won't cast ballads/madrigals/paeon anymore" attachment for the bards, we'll be in business.

When we get a "Geomancy +7 and can use Geo- spells" attachment, also cool.

When we get roll +7 and chaos/samurai roll attachment, etc.

Attachment that gives the WHM afflatus solace and yoran's AI...

Yeah, except WOW and FF14 have like 50x the subscribers, so they're getting 50x as much money. How much each individual is paying doesn't mean jack ***. If a plumbing company is making $100 per toilet installation and they do 3/day, it doesn't mean they're making the same as Apple who sells $100 airpods because the price is the same.

Similarly, everyone says "it's a billion dollar company" like it's meaningful. OK, McDonald's is a billion dollar company too, does that mean their customers should expect that they will dump their billions of dollars into making every burger out of A5 Wagyu meat, because we made them a billion dollars? How does the net worth of the company translate into a promise that they're gonna invest all that money into making EVERY SINGLE ONE of their products the best it could ever possibly be, regardless of economic viability of that decision?

Do you guys ever self-reflect on how ridiculous this ***you say is?


IDK how many devs they have working on it, maybe it's 2 guys, maybe it's 1 every third week, nobody knows. Regardless, making broad ignorant statements like "it could not have been difficult to use this system" is absolutely braindead. You have no idea how simple or complicated it would be to put the PUP automaton system onto trusts.
-Trusts don't have burden
-Trusts don't have head/body combinations that change their behavior
-Trusts don't have maneuvers
-Trusts can't be engaged without the player being engaged
-Trusts have different rules about how often they can WS (Vala)
-Trusts have differing AI for skillchains (Ayame) compared to each other
-Trusts have differing priorities for removing debuffs, applying haste, casting dispel, etc.

So yeah, it must be incredibly simple to slap the automaton system on top of the trust system. It would probably take you one day to code and test it and it should've been out 6 months ago because you "would have just needed to alter how it worked." How hard could that be, all you have to do is alter the PUP system, sounds DEAD SIMPLE.

Nitpick: McDonald's spends $millions a year on research making sure they make every single one of their products "the best it could ever possibly be" - they're not competing on quality of beef!

Nitpick of the nitpick, which goes back to my original point:
It's the best it ever possibly could be*********

*******While remaining cost competitive

If they wanted it to be the best it could ever possibly be, they'd be using handmade artisanal buns and have top quality chefs cooking the meat to perfection. But that doesn't make economic sense at all.

You know, like investing your billions of dollars into a 25 year old PS2 MMORPG.

NGL I would go to a Michelin starred McDonalds just to satisfy my curiosity.

They better have some *top notch* szechuan sauce.

The problem with Square Enix (I personally think this is Yoshida himself with this mindset, and things would improve if he left and someone else took over the division), is that they do simple locked in calculations. If a customer will accept the bare minimum and keep playing, why give them more? why spend more than you have to when they will stay anyway.

If you run a small coffee shop, and you have a dedicated group of customers who come in every day before work, why go above and beyond the bare minimum when you can make more profits doing that?

With Square Enix, they do not understand that ff11 and ff14 (ff11 has more influence than many in the west think, ff11 is thought of very much as Everquest is in the west) not only has customers who buy their other products, but would promote and help them in other ways if they kept those customers happier and spent more than the bare minimum (aka, expansions and more than 2 devs).

Since Square Enix give the absolute bare minimum they have to for ff11 and ff14, we are already sour to them. We are not happy, we do not like them actually. So when they "need us" to help them in ways we do not need to help them, why should we do that?

They do not understand the value in having a happy customer, they simply see us as milking cows to give the bare minimum to in order to keep the money flowing.

Crimson Desert right now is giving endless updates to a game, where they are not mkaing more money from. Why? cause they understand the value of a happy customer for the future.

When a customer feels valued and happy, they will repay that in other ways. They simple do not understand this.

With the coffee shop analogy, if you are nice to your customers, if you go above and beyond then they will be more loyal to you, possibly spend more money and one day may help you when you need it in other ways.

Square Enix do not understand the value in a happy customer, they treat us like ***. This is more understandable on ff11 (the only reason they keep the game going is the immense profit margin it has btw), but they even treat ff14 players the same way. They keep increasing monetization higher and higher, but the quality of content is lower each time, the expansion quality is lower each time, they delay between patches becomes longer.

They are a terrible company, that treats their customers like crap and wonder why they are failing. Their modern games are mostly all bad, and they treat their fanbase with no respect or value at all.

Years ago, Matsui had problems hiring new developers for ff11. you know what he did? he asked his players if any of them would want to come work on the game and had experience. One of the developers right now was an ex ff11 player that came to work on the game from that outreach to the JP community (he stated this story on the we are vana website). They won't/can't do that now cause the game gets the bare minimum budget they can get away with without a mass exodus, and Fujito knows this.

They are masters at making a fanbase into detractors, by treating them like crap.