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 Shiva.Thorny
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By Shiva.Thorny 2026-02-19 14:00:17
I have no trouble believing the concept that snake eye works on wild card. To be clear, I am questioning whether the rate is truly 50%. The mechanism of action appears to be the same way snake eye would work on a regular roll, and the current understanding seems to be that only provides a 40% chance of rolling the necessary difference instead of a 1.
For it to be 50%, there would need to be a completely different mechanism at work or we would need to be wrong about how snake eye merits work. Neither seems very likely to me.
It matters because if it is 40%, it is a downgrade.
 Asura.Eiryl
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By Asura.Eiryl 2026-02-19 14:07:16
If for some reason you believe it to be 50%
Change your merits, automate a roller and see if you ever achieve an 11 via snake eye with 1 merit
It should never happen, take you maybe 30 minutes with a nomad moogle to do it 100 times and go 0/100 all you need is one success and 100 is sufficient for a 10% chance
(0/49 randomly rolling my afk cors while typing this)
Lakshmi.Buukki
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2026-02-19 14:43:48
Congrats!
That's really interesting about the effect on Wild Card by Snake Eye. Is this assuming Relic Feet? Would be huge if Relic Feet increased this further... . When the stars align and you can snake eye for WC the only 2 valid options are 1 or 5/6 depending. Snake eye will force/override it with a 50% chance of 5 or 6 else it will always be a 1 which doesn't matter for bumba. I did a very small sample size test but it was around 50% and works as stated in the blog. It's a 1 or a reset, never got any other numbers Isn't it the feet that is giving the "invisible reroll" though? Also, I'm really not understanding how Snake Eye + Wild Card is skipping 2/3/4. Explain?
edit: oh is it because of the previous roll's number value being taken into effect? I should read better, Haaydee explained on last page.
Quote: First of all, Waika, to increase the probability of 5 or 6 as much as possible, make 5 swings of Melipo's snake eye. As a result, the rest were fold 1 and loaded deck 4.
In this state, I will update with the Wizards Roll → Fold before Waika, and stop if the roll is 5 or 6. By doing snake eye and then waika in this state, if you swing 5 melipo 5, there is a 50% chance that you will get a 6 if it is 5, and if it is 6, you will get 5.
 Asura.Sechs
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By Asura.Sechs 2026-03-02 10:57:57
So, if I recall Agon mobs in Sheol B cannot be slept, just like those in Sheol C, correct?
By Dodik 2026-03-02 11:00:28
Agon mobs in Sheol B cannot be slept
Correct. Only A Agon can be slept.
Asura.Sechs
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By Asura.Sechs 2026-03-02 13:46:41
This is gonna be annoying to solo like I did with A >_>
Asura.Eiryl
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By Asura.Eiryl 2026-03-02 13:51:22
Yes, soloing sheol is annoying.
Next week you'll be able to add 1 vit to the trusts though so it'll be great!
Unkillable Valaineral with +1 VIT, champion
...or should it be +1 MND for stonker cures. Gonna have to make a whole guide on optimal stat usage.
Lakshmi.Buukki
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2026-03-02 14:09:48
B is notoriously the worst zone for every aspect of Moogle Mastery farming for so many reasons. I'm gonna footnote the solution to this zone to save yourself time and frustration.*
For one, the layout is not ideal due to not being linear. For example, the goal is on B5, not 6. On certain floors, you have to go downstairs to progress to the next floor, or, in some cases, the floor splits between up and down, forcing you to choose where to explore. You basically lose 3 minutes if you guess wrong (if you're looking for a Halo). We used to have a Mambo'd RUN, THF or BLU with Hippo Shoes run and check on split floors for halos. They could check several flights of stairs worth of Nostos on B3 to find the halo fast, while the main group kills the first 2 groups of Nostos in the room by the fountain. This sped up the route significantly. On B4, the floor is a gigantic circle. There's no halo here, but it's just big for no reason and wastes a lot of time before you can travel through B5 to the next halo, which is another HUGE floor.
The mob types are also absurdly annoying (Sahagin, Tonberries, Antica). Also, I haven't parsed this particularly, but the Halo Beastmen have almost as much health as Agon C mobs (maybe 80-90k?). I distinctly remember them taking a long time to kill solo, even after 2-3 WS. They also have a damage resistance, so you will need to bring several weapon types to deal full damage. Way worse solo, though BLU is a great solo job for it.
In Sheol A, the Halos are on odd-numbered floors (1, 3, 5, 7), and there's a translocator on each floor, making travel to them easy, but in Sheol B the Translocator is either not on the same floor as Halo, or is in the most inconvenient spot imaginable (i.e. B3 the Translocator is at the second to last staircase, but the halo can be ALL the way at the bottom near the portal to B4). There is no B5 Translocator, so you have to warp to 6 then run back downstairs. If the Halo is at the bottom of B5, it will take you no less than 4 minutes to run from top of B6 to bottom of B5 with Bolters.
The NM gimmick is also ridiculously annoying (extra copies of itself). There's actually a cheese way to handle these with Valaneiral to make farming them faster)
The Mimics are also way harder in Sheol B; I distinctly recall it taking me roughly 10 minutes to solo a Mimic on THF years ago on the first floor, because they reset TP occasionally on normal attacks (and rip through trusts faster). It's better to just die and deal with weakness.
Speaking of Mimics, soloing MM for chests in this zone sucks. In Sheol A, you could use Trusts to hold the mimic while running over 30' and dying from a separate pack of mobs and then RR after. In B, the Mimics are so strong, they will kill your trusts faster and draw you in. They also reset hate occasionally on normal AAs. There's a very low chance you can get away from them solo like you can in Sheol A. Farming Aurums solo is a nightmare.
Everything about doing Sheol B will make you hate farming Moogle Mastery.
*Just form a static and commit to a specific path, and run it several times a week (i.e. THF chest farming, NM clearing, Nostos killing etc). You will eventually get better and be efficient, ranking MM up fast in no time.
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 Carbuncle.Nynja
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2026-03-02 14:24:07
Yes, soloing sheol is annoying.
Hehehehehehehehehehheheheehhehehehehehehehe
IYKYK
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By LightningHelix 2026-03-02 14:26:45
Yes, soloing sheol is annoying.
Next week you'll be able to add 1 vit to the trusts though so it'll be great!
Unkillable Valaineral with +1 VIT, champion
...or should it be +1 MND for stonker cures. Gonna have to make a whole guide on optimal stat usage. gotta find out the stat modifier on Uriel Blade
By Dodik 2026-03-02 14:32:00
Just remember you will need several stacks of pop materials, cost per pop goes up by the floor number.
Avoid the nasty ones on the top floor.
IME by the time you get through all the NMs sheol B has, you will likely have opened enough chests too.
Asura.Eiryl
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By Asura.Eiryl 2026-03-02 14:39:56
gotta find out the stat modifier on Uriel Blade
MAB
(str/mnd)
By LightningHelix 2026-03-02 17:43:04
gotta find out the stat modifier on Uriel Blade
MAB
(str/mnd) oh, I forgot about the Campaign: Uriel Blade sword
I was mostly memeing but also okay MND TANK IT IS
Asura.Sechs
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By Asura.Sechs 2026-03-03 00:44:38
B is notoriously the worst zone for every aspect of Moogle Mastery farming for so many reasons. I'm gonna footnote the solution to this zone to save yourself time and frustration.*
For one, the layout is not ideal due to not being linear. For example, the goal is on B5, not 6. On certain floors, you have to go downstairs to progress to the next floor, or, in some cases, the floor splits between up and down, forcing you to choose where to explore. You basically lose 3 minutes if you guess wrong (if you're looking for a Halo). We used to have a Mambo'd RUN, THF or BLU with Hippo Shoes run and check on split floors for halos. They could check several flights of stairs worth of Nostos on B3 to find the halo fast, while the main group kills the first 2 groups of Nostos in the room by the fountain. This sped up the route significantly. On B4, the floor is a gigantic circle. There's no halo here, but it's just big for no reason and wastes a lot of time before you can travel through B5 to the next halo, which is another HUGE floor.
The mob types are also absurdly annoying (Sahagin, Tonberries, Antica). Also, I haven't parsed this particularly, but the Halo Beastmen have almost as much health as Agon C mobs (maybe 80-90k?). I distinctly remember them taking a long time to kill solo, even after 2-3 WS. They also have a damage resistance, so you will need to bring several weapon types to deal full damage. Way worse solo, though BLU is a great solo job for it.
In Sheol A, the Halos are on odd-numbered floors (1, 3, 5, 7), and there's a translocator on each floor, making travel to them easy, but in Sheol B the Translocator is either not on the same floor as Halo, or is in the most inconvenient spot imaginable (i.e. B3 the Translocator is at the second to last staircase, but the halo can be ALL the way at the bottom near the portal to B4). There is no B5 Translocator, so you have to warp to 6 then run back downstairs. If the Halo is at the bottom of B5, it will take you no less than 4 minutes to run from top of B6 to bottom of B5 with Bolters.
The NM gimmick is also ridiculously annoying (extra copies of itself). There's actually a cheese way to handle these with Valaneiral to make farming them faster)
The Mimics are also way harder in Sheol B; I distinctly recall it taking me roughly 10 minutes to solo a Mimic on THF years ago on the first floor, because they reset TP occasionally on normal attacks (and rip through trusts faster). It's better to just die and deal with weakness.
Speaking of Mimics, soloing MM for chests in this zone sucks. In Sheol A, you could use Trusts to hold the mimic while running over 30' and dying from a separate pack of mobs and then RR after. In B, the Mimics are so strong, they will kill your trusts faster and draw you in. They also reset hate occasionally on normal AAs. There's a very low chance you can get away from them solo like you can in Sheol A. Farming Aurums solo is a nightmare.
Everything about doing Sheol B will make you hate farming Moogle Mastery.
*Just form a static and commit to a specific path, and run it several times a week (i.e. THF chest farming, NM clearing, Nostos killing etc). You will eventually get better and be efficient, ranking MM up fast in no time.
Thanks for the tips Buukki. I'm almost done with Sheol A. MM 13 atm. Missing 8 more NM kills, 5 coffers. Unsure on Aurum, is that necessary to cap? If you need 40 Aurums to cap it's gonna take a while to reach from 14 to 15 but other than that I'm done.
My approach (solo) with Sheol A was simple.
Enter on BLU and summon trusts.
Find the NM pop thing. Kill 2-6 groups with Cruel Joke (eva idle setup, pull stuff, dream flower, Cruel Joke, rebuff while you wait 1 min. If the NM pop is in a good position, pop and start killing the NM while you wait.
Kill Agons on floor 1.
Go to floor 3, rinse & repeat (pulling less groups, even zero).
Go to floor 5 and kill the halo. At this point you should have ~40 Izzat.
Pop a chest, hope it pops a coffer. Open it and hope it pops an aurum. If it doesn't pop another chest > coffer and that's it.
If enough time go to the final exit on floor 7.
To save time, when possible, I was pulling Agons one by one (when they link it's even easier) with Silence or Dia2 accordingly. If Unbridled is up and the mobs around the halo allow it, group everything together and Dream Flower to Cruel Joke, and kill Agon one by one as you wait the cruel joke timer.
Now... I clearly cannot do this in Sheol B. Can't sleep halo, can't pull multiple groups because their acc is too high and my Eva won't be enough to survive. Except maybe 2-3 groups on floor 1.
It's gonna be super, super super annoying.
Like you said, need other people.
I'm not against grouping up, it's more a matter of finding people interested that know what they're doing and finding a time slot suitable for everyone.
With Sheol A I was going at random times whenever I actually had time myself to do it =/
Lakshmi.Buukki
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2026-03-03 06:01:37
16 aurums is the cap for highest Moogle Mastery tier. 50 aurums caps discount.
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By Asura.Loraiine 2026-03-11 09:48:47
Our group that does super charge runs on Saturdays attempted MBoze and I was ML50 Beastmaster. The first attempt to P.Ooze MBoze went off just fine. I had to use Familiar and Unleash, but it landed after 2-3 Ooze's with the following set. (It was Firesday if that matters). Here's the set I used:
ItemSet 401333
Ambu cape is: Eva/MEva+20 Pet:(M.Acc/M.dmg+20 M.Acc+10 PDT-10 Regen+10).
However, on our next entrance into Gaol, it didn't land through multiple Ooze attempts in that 15 minute time-span. I used the above set with Unleash, then Familiar with no luck. Our RDM offered Frazzle 3 as well with no luck either.
With 2 minutes remaining, I tried the above set in a hail-mary attempt. I modified my set with Agwu's Axe (R0) and Hesperiidae (R30). My thinking was: "Maybe I need Pet: All Attr+30 to close the gap?" (but yes, Pet: Magic Accuracy-5 in comparison). In all of the attempts, I was engaged with my Pet, so Smite (Pet Magic Accuracy+50 was in the works here. I also used Rolanberry Daifuku for an additional Pet: Magic Accuracy+75.
...BUT it still would not land! Can anyone offer any insight?
I would like to focus on the MBoze fight without RUN if needed, but if it matters, we were attempting an MBoze > Ngai > Kalunga super-charge run. (We were reserving RUN/SCH/WAR for Kalunga to do Reverberation+Hydohelix II, which needs WAR's Tomahawk SDT to land effectively). Here is the chart I made to break-down what is possible (I'm continuously updating it with our findings, so any help is greatly appreciated).
Mboze needs Undaa Rayke to land P.Ooze, should update your notes to say that or something along those lines. I couldn't land P.Ooze without it to save my life.
By darkwaffle 2026-04-02 13:53:32
My group did a lot of Cruel Joke B runs before people realized they can actually, you know, kill stuff and not stand around afk and we've now graduated to C runs lol. However it's usually a misfit group of BRD/WHM and 5 [okayish] DPS of something like BLU/WAR/DRK/SAM/RNG. Without a real tank we have a hard time engaging Agons (which seem like a meaningful net gain on segments) even on the lower floors because of how they link and can't be slept. How do you handle them when you can't just pick off the Halo and the enemies 1-2 at a time? Or do you not?
By Veydal1 2026-04-02 15:10:53
Can try to pull the non-agon mobs without aggroing the agon mobs. Or single target sleep the ones near halo while you zerg it down. Then once agon mobs are targetable, each DD takes 1 and you try your best to heal through the incoming damage. Or have a designated DD that is bulky enough (Defender, drop Berserk) go in and aggro the agon mobs while the other DD zerg em down one-by-one.
Carbuncle.Maletaru
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2026-04-02 18:55:33
I haven't brought a tank to sheol C for years. Be careful about pulling the non halo mobs, who approaches the halo and how, be thoughtful about splitting up on the agon mobs once they're targetable, and most heavy DDs don't have any problem holding them. Having a real healer is a good idea.
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By Bismarck.Sterk 2026-04-02 21:10:44
Might be able to have your healer reliably tank Agon stuff if your BRD gives them 3-4 Minnes. I've done it without Minnes on WHM but it can get dicey at times.
Lakshmi.Buukki
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2026-04-02 21:28:42
Not intended to be mean:
Is there any reason why someone in that group can't just play a tank job? Even with basic sakpata gear and cocoon/Minnes etc, a build-a-PLD is still going to be far more reliable of a tank and better control over how to heal the group. You have at least a warrior and dark knight in that group, so you might have some carryover with gear. I get that your group is misfit as far as job comp, but this is important for further endgame, for everyone to have a unique role. Tank is critical. Someone should just gear tank and help the group progress instead of continuing makeshift parties. At least if you intend to progress beyond your current pace.
Just my thoughts
By darkwaffle 2026-04-03 00:23:29
Yeah, I think that's reasonable and kind of what I expected. From the outside looking in (as the bard) I feel like a DD with a decent defensive cooldown and gearset should be able to handle it - unfortunately I don't think they have... mastered that kind of thing yet. Everyone tends to just want to be the damage dealer. Maybe I'll start just passing out Minnes instead lol.
We do have PLD, unfortunately I am also the BRD >< BLU has RUN which I thought was fine the couple times he brought it in but I think he got somewhat discouraged by not dealing much damage (not sure what he expected from a tank though) and losing threat on an NM.
Lakshmi.Buukki
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2026-04-03 00:41:25
Quote: Everyone tends to just want to be the damage dealer
Just gonna warn you now, this is a very dangerous and fruitless road to start on. It leads nowhere useful in endgame. Literally everyone has at least 5DD Jobs geared (and 95% of DDs are terrible) and they're all interchangeable. Absolutely nobody has healers, supports and tanks. And based on what you've said, your group is falling right into the exact same stereotype and setting yourselves up for failure. This is going to be a problem later when you decide to do something like Odyssey bosses. I suggest everyone in the group just swallow the pill and each gear a support, tank, Bard, Corsair, and Heal. Otherwise this bottleneck will follow you on every single event later on. It's a common trap, everyone wants to DD, nobody wants to tank or heal, can't get anything done. Don't do it.
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Asura.Hya
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By Asura.Hya 2026-04-03 09:49:51
From the outside looking in (as the bard) I feel like a DD with a decent defensive cooldown and gearset should be able to handle it - unfortunately I don't think they have... mastered that kind of thing yet. As the BRD, it's also possible for you to be the one who pulls the whole Halo. Tankless full clears are very doable. The real solution is to fix your party composition, though.
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By darkwaffle 2026-04-03 11:07:37
Agreed, although this isn't the case full time. Most of them are on an alt of a job with more group utility - RED, SCH, COR, SMN and a few GEO. Segment farming just happens to benefit from more raw/physical damage so they're adjusting to that/looking for JP on other jobs. Probably a mistake to lean too hard into that though. Honestly we do fine killing Nostos enemies and a floor1 or floor2 NM and getting a few thousand segments so it's not that we're doing badly, it's just the Agons are pretty dicey still.
Also fair I could try it myself with Minnes/Mambos although I think that would require us having another source of healing. Ultimately we probably should just have a better mix of support/damage rather than going 1/5 without a real healer.
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By Fenrir.Velner 2026-04-03 11:33:13
BLU has RUN which I thought was fine the couple times he brought it in but I think he got somewhat discouraged by not dealing much damage (not sure what he expected from a tank though) and losing threat on an NM.
Those NMs reset hate when they SP! No need to get discouraged.
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By Firebrandt 2026-04-03 11:53:42
My group did a lot of Cruel Joke B runs before people realized they can actually, you know, kill stuff and not stand around afk and we've now graduated to C runs lol. However it's usually a misfit group of BRD/WHM and 5 [okayish] DPS of something like BLU/WAR/DRK/SAM/RNG. Without a real tank we have a hard time engaging Agons (which seem like a meaningful net gain on segments) even on the lower floors because of how they link and can't be slept. How do you handle them when you can't just pick off the Halo and the enemies 1-2 at a time? Or do you not?
You should definitely fix your party comp, but an easy stopgap in the meantime is have the BLU round up all the Agon mobs in its evasion set (which they should have because you were CJing previously) + Mambos. So when you get to a floor with an Agon you want, have the other DDs clear out the Nostros mobs, and have the BLU join in when they are clear and its waiting on CJ cool down. BLU shouldn't really have any issue evasion tanking/holding the Agons.
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By Odin.Bangla 2026-05-24 18:29:01
Has anyone experienced the following when keying as THF while in a group in Sheol A floor 2:
1. THF popped mimic #1 while everyone was out of range. I let the THF die, tractored it out of range and raised then left to key a different chest. Everything went as expected at this point.
2. While keying the second chest, mimic #2 spawns and kills the THF but also draws in the BLU that was fighting nearby, kills the BLU then draws in every other member one by one.
3. We kill mimic #2 and get ready to leave the floor but as we reach the exit, my SCH gets drawn in by mimic #1 from across the zone, then the COR who also never touched it and so on...
We go in a second time, get a mimic on the first chest on floor 2 again and after killing the THF, it draws in my SCH that was just sitting at the entrance...further than aggro range.
Is this a cursed floor? This has never happened before and it's really frustrating to deal with.
I had no issues like this on any other floors, was able to walk by the mimic as long as the THF stayed far out of range. It never drew anyone else in but the THF. Made me anxious to try keying :(
By Felgarr 2026-05-24 23:46:53
Cerberus.Shadowmeld said: »Just swap the setups for kalunga and mboze. Kalunga much easier to land ooze on, and sch can helix mboze with the same setup, just wind? Not sure of element.
Thank you, we'll try this next event.
I was able to land P.Ooze without Unda+Rayke, which is normal, but erratic, as I've previously stated. Today, we observed that MBoze's HP went from 99% back up to 100% after landing P.Ooze, which is normally an indication that he received the Max HP Down effect. However, 2+ minutes passed without observing his HP resolve to 89%. We were very confused why the first attempt only appeared to have the HP Down effect land, per the HP progress bar change. So, we tried again in the same 15-minute window, and let our RUN apply Unda+Rayke, we observed the 99%->100% HP Change again, and followed by that, MBoze's HP changed to 89% HP about 70 seconds later. It was also Watersday, if that matters to anyone.
So, basically, I was able to re-confirm some unusual findings today with BST P.Ooze vs V25 MBoze. I have done 100's of the super charges, and have only seen this bizarre event against MBoze, and 2 instances so far. It has made me completely reluctant to try to BST P.Ooze vs. Mboze, when building super charges. (This is unfortunate because both SCH and BST can technically require RUN's Element+Rayke ability to reach 6% in a cheesy way).
Has anyone ever seen this before?
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By Bismarck.Sterk 2026-05-24 23:49:19
Mboze has an auto attack that drains HP. That's probably what moved him from 99% to 100% the first time.
Hmmm...
Initial Speculations:
Looks like they took components of Walk of Echoes (setting), and Elemental Circles and brought it together.
They must of learned new ideas through the Lilith HTBF and how they can play with those elemental fetters to create unique battlefield environment and apply further stress with them..
Instead of Abyssea, this may be a Walk of Echoes 3.0? Anything iLvl 140+ .. We are ready!
Keep this thread clean, hoping to post critical details and discuss strategies.. Eventually I will create a Node on this with full details.. We can then update BG-Wiki with information that we gather..
Those of you who play on Nasomi.. Please don't post on here, you have a Fafnir to camp.. so get back to work.. This is isn't Bubbly Bernie version 3.0. He will be OG 1.0 forever on Nasomi.. ^_^
Sorry about the delay on updating this as I have been slammed with a lot of work since COVID-19 defense ramp up procedures at my hospital facility.
I have barely had time to update and barely any time to explore this content myself. I appreciate everyone's work so far. I will update this OP Thread with some resources and information that people have found across all servers including videos and screenshots..
Keeping this as a basic vital post highlight source so as new posts with vital information emerges I will just pin it here so it is all in one space and no need to jump around different pages..
To Begin.. The Basic Release Info from SE:
Some First Initial Basic Discoveries:
looks like you enter through Rabao
And you have 30 min to kill a bunch of trash mobs. Probably a boss at the end too.
More Initial Entry Discoveries Pinned:
About to enter Odyssey for the first time.
I'll report back. Setup is PUP, COR, BLU x2, SMN, RDM
Ok, it's looking like they made this content specifically to prevent BLUs from cleaving through this content.
Only main target took full damage. Surrounding targets took 90% reduced damage (main targeet 15k, all others 500 or less)
All mobs can be fully enfeebled (Sleep, Silence, Slow, Para) but standard rules apply for mob types (we saw Skeletons, couldn't Blind them)
I can very easily see a RUN or PLD tank running in and aggroing the group of mobs, with a BRD sleeping them all. 2 DDs kill one by one with proper support. SMN Bloodpacts were doing full damage on single mobs (same rules for BLU applied for SMN when we tried Thunderspark for lulz)
At the end, we found a group of mobs (bats) with a Fetter and a group of untargetable Yagudo. We cleared the bats, then killed the Fetter. Once the Fetter is killed, the Yagudo become targetable. For killing all of the Yagudo, you get 10 Izzat.
In total, we farmed 20 Izzat. We'll try using them tomorrow on boxes, maybe even spawn an NM. After we killed the fetter, a conflux spawned that gave us the opportunity to spawn a monster for 10 Izzat. We were low on time, so we just chose to exit.
Player with Trusts.. First Experience Testimonies:
Went in with trusts. Was able to 1 shot most things with leaden.
Yield: 31 scales and 3 scale boxes (from the chest).
Edit: Chests gave 11, 13 and 16.
More Vital Data Testimonies Discovered:
Random info:
-Killing trash gave izzat and lustreless scales
-Using 10 izzat to pop chest gave 2 scales and a box
-Killing fetter made untargetable yagudo killable, giving 10 izzat killing them all
-Popping NM with 10 izzat from ethereal junction spawned a red morbol that did blood weapon and dropped 2 boxes of scales
-Not sure what items you need to trade to junction to spawn monsters
-Was unable to use the thing at the start after killing fetter/yagudos/morbol, may have to kill all trash? I looked around and missed a pack, timed out before I could kill them all
-Moogle keeps track of trash killed, physis, and chests, and the power of your alter egos while in odyssey (Moogle Mastery)
More Testimonials and Discoveries..
Does anyone know what is needed to clear the RoE for Sheol A?
You need to run (can do on sneak/invi, only trasnparent mobs are true sight/sound) to last floor (A7) using confluxes. On last floor there is Otherworldly Vortex mentioned in RoE quest. You need to touch it (it lets you leave Odyssey too) to complete the quest. Credit for that info goes to Mischief from Bahamut. Here is a video of my first experience with Odyssey:
YouTube Video Placeholder Tried exploring, found more information
- I didn't realize there was a conflux on each floor to move up
- Each floor increases in mob level, capping at 131, and general nastiness of monster family (manticores, giants I remember on last floor)
- Translocators bring you down to previous levels, so the first floor one doesn't work until you find the higher level ones
- One character got stuck on a floor and couldn't move up, nor did they get the RoE objective upon someone else reaching the top
So for soloers, seems like it's best to stick to lower level floor to farm scales, more experienced parties can move up to desired difficulty for more scales. First time in would be best just getting the RoE objective and unlocking translocators.
Initial Video Detailing Climb to 7th floor for easy RoE Completion for Augment Unlock on Gear:
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More Info about Moglophone KI's:
Anyways did a solo run this morning and got about 100 scales from just killing trash in first floor. Wondering what others are getting from parting up vs solo.
edit: Also can you hold one Moglophone KI on you, and then have the moogle hold one?
I was wondering this too. I picked up my KI last night and am holding it until later today and going to see if I can run two times in a row.
You can. I used my ki after few hours yesterday and when I checked moogle timer was at 15h, so it was going down while I had KI on me.
More Testimonial Higlights:
Bahamut.Lexouritis said: »Maybe Mischief will post about it, he figured it out on his mule. I'll try and post what i know, but it seems like we skip everything and just kill the fetters, mobs around the fetters, and sometimes the UNM near the fetters. Bahamut.Lexouritis said: »and if u get to the final thing upstairs, personal chest for everyone. Not sure if someone said it already, but you CAN store a KI. So only need to farm every 2 days! I am confused on how people move up using sneak and invisible, in this run I explored everything, vortexes just said "you can't use this yet", or let me summon an NM but never move somewhere else, even after i killed the fetter, all the guards, the NM, opened one chest, and killed about 90% of all the mobs. If anybody can spot where in this video I should have been able to "move up" it would really help: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i9GhE5nO3I
thanks At the mandies in your run. Just hug left wall and you'll find it. It took me a while to find the first flux as well, but the rest were less "hidden". A video was posted a couple pages ago showing the route.
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did u kill a fetter? Seems like 50k per Fetter and 1 box per fetter (per character). The big Box from RoE seems to be just 1 time thing. The smaller boxes seem to be fetter based?
Killing all 4 fetters netted us about ~70 scales per run per person after touching otherworldy vortex.
Edit: With RoE quest being completed in a run, was more like 110-130. So how many scales is it per upgrade? Didn’t see on Bg-wiki and don’t feel like shifting through posts on here. Should be just under 12 stacks to max. Based on scales only being worth 5rp instead of 10 :/ Clip to the top and nab the box, in and out, 5 minute adventure.
For realsies? SE let content like that out after the mass-ban clipping/duping-alex adventures get onto the live server? Thought they learned their lesson since the AMAN trove boxes can't be scouted via Hex IDs. The box he means is the one from completing the RoE once. You can walk to it in 6-7 mins without speed hacks anyway. The big deal about completing the RoE is you can start augmenting your gear at that point. Well if dude already finished a piece few days after update, there isnt much time gate here it seems.
Probably just the appetitizer was released (im on a work trip, cant "enjoy" the new content till weekend...)
He finished because he bought scales or have legion of mules. Regular player with 1 account will need realistically around 10-14 days for one piece farming daily. Traded 5 Emperor arthro shells to vortex (dunno how many it took from inventory, might have only taken 1 of the 5). Summoned Brachys, a crab that had a high ass counter rate and instantly killed me on my thf in one attack round. 500+ damage counters with no DT set. Likely not advisable to spawn mobs solo with trusts. Bahamut.Lexouritis said: »Personal box at the end when touching Otherworldy Vortex for each FETTER you kill, for all party members. If u kill all 4 fetters AND EVERYTHING around them it seems you will get 4 boxes.
~edited phrasing
So looks like if you solo, go for trash and farm with th4+ and for group you kill featers and go touch otherwordly.
Unless maybe kill 2 featers solo and go to the top? You could open 2 chests that way and get 2 boxes. So in theory maybe even get 4 chests and some scales from farming. Bahamut.Lexouritis said: »
Personal box at the end when touching Otherworldy Vortex for each FETTER you kill, for all party members. If u kill all 4 fetters AND EVERYTHING around them it seems you will get 4 boxes.
~edited phrasing
So looks like if you solo, go for trash and farm with th4+ and for group you kill fetters and go touch otherwordly.
Unless maybe kill 2 fetters solo and go to the top? You could open 2 chests that way and get 2 boxes. So in theory maybe even get 4 chests and some scales from farming.
I'm not sure if you need to just kill the fetters or the fetters + all the semi-invisible beastmen around the fetters.
It's possible to kill a fetter without aggro from the semi invisible beastmen that are sight aggro like Yagudo and Orcs. I'm assuming Quadav will sound aggro which makes them easier to gather in a group.
On the first day, when I duo'd with my cousin on RUN and me on COR with a THF4 set, we killed 1 fetter but stopped killing the semi-invisible beastmen because they were not dropping anything. Not all of the beastmen aggro'd. Only the Yagudo beastmen that were in sight of us or each other aggro'd us. Care needs to be taken by support in this case as support will get aggro'd if they rush in too early before the tank has claim on everything. These mobs hit very hard.
Definitely go in with at least th4 if solo farming just trash mobs.
Go in with a full, balanced party to maximize drops from fetters. The fetters are easy to kill. The beastmen hit hard and have a little more hp than common trash mobs. Helps to sleep them too as they can easily overwhelm even the toughest of tanks. Me and a group of peeps went in yesterday, to do some testing.
Killing a fetter + beastman group rewards 10 izzat, no special drops were seen, we did not have a thief, just a range using bounty shot.
Gonna test farm some nms tonight. i tried to spawn 1 today with my alt using unity items, turns out 1 is not enough. My second run of this is probably the best I can do.
Went in, killed all normal monsters, Feters and Beastmen, killed all of the Yaguado. I had 20 Izzat, spawn a Unity NM Which was a Sporebat type mob that died in a 4 step SC. This NM used Blood WEapon, the NM I tried yesterday used 100 fists and rek'd me.
I got 90 Izzat from Monsters and 22 from the 2 boxes that I got from NM and a chest I used them on. The only thing I didn't do on Floor 1 was spawn the Junction that said "Item can be used to pop something here" I had 3 Sarama Hides, 2 Thuban Things and neither worked, nor did a combination of them work.
All of my drops were done with TH2 from Gear. Few unanswered questions:
How is the augmentation to Trust power in Odyssey earned? I believe the requirement must be more than simply killing sets of trash mobs and making it to the otherworldly at the end.
Rewards upon reaching end were:
360k gil from a group that killed everything on first floor, 2 NM's popped.
100k gil for solo killing 2 groups (4 izzat) worth of scrubs and reaching end.
On another run I also got 100k gil for solo killing more scrubs (4 sets I think. Seems like the NMs from either spawn point will be one of the 119/122 unity NMs with similar mechanics, but not exactly the same as my morbol didn't go through 3 stages and only did blood weapon. May be a good ideal to either focus on repeatedly killing one to raise its kill count for the moogle or killing all of them at least once. Can't wait for Pandemonium Warden v3 in the future lol Yep. Surprised the hell out of us.
But as I said I was getting 100k for just clearing a couple of easy rooms and heading for the exit solo for the RoE.
Thinking about it, we did a bit more than the first floor full clear on that run, did a second fetter and agon mobs and popped another NM at least. spawn a Unity NM Which was a Sporebat type mob
What method did you use to spawn this nm?
So there seems to be 2 spawn methods, Unity Item (I think 5 minimum) or Izzat once you have killed a fetter.
In terms of the invisible mobs I don't know if its a coincidence or not but every time they have aggro'd they go after my GEO and no other character. Dunno if the bubble is causing something funky to happen.
It should be possible, to kill fetters on all floors + escape as low as 3 man, I cleared everything in my run and had about 3 minutes to spare but a lot of it was goofing about looking at chests etc. I'd say 4 man would be the most optimal though as you can't really AOE.
Only flaw would be is that the fetters on floors seem to be placed randomly so you could get screwed over on travel times but imagine if you wanted to eat some taco's and take that risk you could and do it no probs. My second run experience soloing on COR with trusts:
Leaden Salute all the things
Tact/Sam with august, ygnas, monb, star sybill, koru
Killed everything on floor 1 and 4 groups on floor 2
30 izzat but could only find 2 chests to open
both chests only dropped 1 box each so was a little unlucky
TH4
Ended up with 135 scales. Could have been alot higher if I found a third chest and if the chests dropped more than 1 box each.
(I also got a message saying 'moogle magic II' when I killed a regular enemy. Must be to do with the total amount of things killed.) Leviathan.Kingkitt said: »My findings thus far:
As stated multiples times already here, you can sneak/invisible to maneuver around the mobs here. However..
The invisible mobs appear true sight and/or sound, so you have to be cautious of them.
Appears that killing fetters gives personal loot. We all got a box.
You can solo for the RoE if you want following the guidlines above.
Competing RoE gives you 1 large box.
Clear is NOT party wide and each person must touch it individually for credit. (Also recieved 60k gil, we cleared 1 fetter/quadavs, and the mob family near it)
Didn't notice until after fetter and invisible mobs were dead, but one or the other gave 10 izzat.
Have tried a few different unity mats for unm 119/122 and traded 5 to pop a NM. NM that spawned was of the same mob family as items traded. Tonight ill be going in with my COR GEO duo. How do you do the fetters? Kill the surrounding mobs then attack the fetter while trusts keep you alive with invisible beastmen smacking you? Then the beastmen?
Pull and kill regular mobs, until you see opportunity where nothing is close to fetter (there is always a moment when there is max 1 mob close to it at some point). Kill fetter fast (It's easy to kill. One good 2 step SC will kill it), then kill remaining mobs. I wouldn't try to aggro more than few mobs in general when solo or duoboxing, especially if you dont have Malignance set on COR. Something of note to add was that our rng and cor were doing 0 dmg to the fetter from distance and had to move much closer to do any damage. This may relate to how aoe does much reduced damage. Max gil reward is higher than we thought, just got 495k from today's run.
Btw force popping nm's uses a single UNM mat, not 5. And they cannot be reused within the same run. Spawning NM appears to be unrelated to what you use to pop.
So far NM's we faced: Tipuli(fly),Aegupius,harpe(weapon),leucippe and physis (morbol).
Moogle mastery ranks up as you kill stuff, @287 kills, 8x NM and 2 chests we at Mastery III. Max gil reward is higher than we thought, just got 495k from today's run.
Btw force popping nm's uses a single UNM mat, not 5. And they cannot be reused within the same run. Spawning NM appears to be unrelated to what you use to pop.
So far NM's we faced: Tipuli(fly),Aegupius,harpe(weapon),leucippe and physis (morbol).
Moogle mastery ranks up as you kill stuff, @287 kills, 8x NM and 2 chests we at Mastery III.
Do you need to touch the flux on the top floor to get the gil? Or when does the gil actually get distributed to you? Yes, you have to leave personally to get it, and as always if other party members are fighting its locked out. My second run experience soloing on COR with trusts:
Leaden Salute all the things
Tact/Sam with august, ygnas, monb, star sybill, koru
Killed everything on floor 1 and 4 groups on floor 2
30 izzat but could only find 2 chests to open
both chests only dropped 1 box each so was a little unlucky
TH4
Ended up with 135 scales. Could have been alot higher if I found a third chest and if the chests dropped more than 1 box each.
(I also got a message saying 'moogle magic II' when I killed a regular enemy. Must be to do with the total amount of things killed.)
Tonight ill be going in with my COR GEO duo. How do you do the fetters? Kill the surrounding mobs then attack the fetter while trusts keep you alive with invisible beastmen smacking you? Then the beastmen?
Pull/kill regular mobs with ranged attack. Run in to fetter with max 1 or 2 shadows aggro. Kill fetter > kill the rest. Just look out what you aggro. Aggroing BLM mob that stand close to middle will probably result in mass link eventually. Regular mobs dont link at all, but transparent mobs (before and after killing fetter) do. Each flux takes you to a higher floor. There are 7 floors with the 7th floors flux being the exit and the RoE objective. Each flux takes you to a higher floor. There are 7 floors with the 7th floors flux being the exit and the RoE objective. Not sure if it was mentioned, but looks like you can't pop the same NM twice from UNM mats in the same run. Popped once on first floor, and later on the 4th floor it gave a message saying we couldn't pop the same NM again. Sharing Shamgi's notes posted in the BST forum for relevant details:
Ok, just went into an Odyssey and discovered some things:
1. You can charm things in there. Things seemed to be fairly simple to charm, and Charm+ gear meant that my dhalmel stayed charmed 15+ minutes.
2.Charmed pets seem to be quite strong. Beyond the normal HP, they seemed to have fairly high damage, hitting other mobs in their own pack for 4-600 a swing, with crits as high as 900. My Dhalmel once used Berserk and those numbers got pretty big, same with their Sound Wave move. My record was a crit for 1500 or so. This is with NQ food and no other pet related buffs. I had one crawler end up at 74% when it killed another crawler in the pack, likely benefiting from all the DA and Haste.
3. Pets seem quite effective at killing the Halos. They hit hard already, but notably, they aggro nothing, not even the Beastmen around the Halos when doing so. The Halo produces a damaging AOE every couple of seconds that was hitting for 200 or so, but the pet, with it's 40k+ HP, doesn't care at all. Indeed, I left the pet to it's own devices and killed other packs with trusts while it worked the halo down itself, which actually seemed quite nice. When it died, the Orcs around it didn't aggro, so it was easy to pull them one by one, as they don't link either.
4. Mob spawns are random, which can hurt this strat, but from two runs a majority of the packs seem charmable, and many of them are often pretty powerful. Given the strat above, I feel like a monk style pet would be best here.
Overall, I'm super interested in trying this with a full group where you can use the pet to deal with adds while you work on a pack yourself and to safely kill Halos while you clear other things.
One issue was Sic, the recast was way worse than I remembered, and my lua isn't set up at all to deal with it. My best guess is to just set up my gearswap to always produce a physical damage set for Sic and then just use pets who focus physical damage with their TP moves. If it's a buff move, then no big deal, if it's physical then it's the right set. They do link, my experience has been all sight linking though (fought orcs and yags so far). Do not link with the Fetter though, found this out by trying to range attack the fetter down, only to realize the fetter is immune to auto-range attacks. They do link, my experience has been all sight linking though (fought orcs and yags so far).
Well its kinda expected. Orc, Yagudo and Goblins are all sight aggro/link. Quadavs are sound aggro/link and it's how they are in Odyssey too. They arent immune to ranged attacks you just need to be stood in the fetter to do damage.
So not immune to ranged attacks, but immune to any attacks from a range. XD As with all farming things it's more efficient to solo, if the kill speed is high, like 119 content. 6 solos have 6x more chances for boxes.
Luck's definitely a factor; and yeah I think solo probably is best.
I think a lot of it has to do with people finding each other, people needing to sneak/invis themselves, and having to stagger the flux (so it doesn't glitch out). Was a lot of wasted time there.
Was just curious if other groups were experiencing it as well. Went in as Pup/Whm. Killed 3 Fetters, champion NM on floor 7 after fetter, and a few other random mobs using automaton only.
Literally no drops + exit only gave me 5k gil.
I wonder if you need to take an action on the fetters or something yourself before you can get drops or credit for killing them. Went in as Pup/Whm. Killed 3 Fetters, champion NM on floor 7 after fetter, and a few other random mobs using automaton only.
Literally no drops + exit only gave me 5k gil.
I wonder if you need to take an action on the fetters or something yourself before you can get drops or credit for killing them. As group you are suppose to kill Fetter at floor 1,3,5 and 7 and run to otherworldy vortex at the end. You should get 4 PERSONAL box from otherworldy that way and I think one more personal box from killing beastman kings at floor 7 (they are around Fetter there).
So thats 5 personal chests
At least 40 Izzat to open chests
Probably at least 40 single scales from killing trash around fetters if you take at least TH4 with you.
Small boxes are on avg around 13 scales?
So probably around 70-80 scales at least per person, maybe more if you have time to farm more.
Very good geared solo player on specific job like COR, can get more with luck, but it might be other bonuses from killing fetters and NMs that we might dont know about. Went in as Pup/Whm. Killed 3 Fetters, champion NM on floor 7 after fetter, and a few other random mobs using automaton only.
Literally no drops + exit only gave me 5k gil.
I wonder if you need to take an action on the fetters or something yourself before you can get drops or credit for killing them.
No, you need to kill Fetter AND beastman mobs around it to get credit for personal box at the end and 10 Izzat. I assume you killed only Fetters. Bahamut.Lexouritis said: »THF can pick the locks/chests in odyssey, in case no one mentioned, or knows about it yet. However some times mimic will pop out. Unsure how hard they are, as it opens with deathtrap, and his mule has sparks gear (and it got one shot). Credit goes to mischief
"Either gave a 'however it has no effect' message and consumed the tool, opened the chest, or a mimic popped out" I made a quick map of Odyssey to make ease to hit the fluxes.
Etheral Junctions, Fetters and camps change apparently random.
EDIT: all maps have North heading the upper border.
Aegypius NM:
Bird
Popped using 5 Abyssdiver feathers
Uses Broadside Barrage and Damnation Dive
Uses Perfect Dodge at low HP and gains an Encumbrance aura that stays for the rest of the fight Carbuncle.Papesse said: »Beware of the Treant NM Ptelea and its dangerous Leafstorm AoE. Leafstorm is hybrid wind based. It can crit, miss, be absorbed by shadows and Elemental Sforzo. One For All, Gelus Valiance and Baraero substantially reduce damage. As far as getting these telepoints, mentioned on BGwiki's Odyssey page that you're supposed to be able to travel between to get to further levels of Odyssey, does anyone have any info on the requirements to gain access to these? Do you have to kill all of the fetters to go up a floor? Also, has anyone tried going in with a group of six and then disbanding and everyone using their own trusts to expediate the process of both killing enemies on every floor, taking care of all the fetters on a floor and then popping the nm's so that you might progress to these tele-points if those happened to be the requirements? I know some players might have found that they can farm higher amounts of the Lustreless Scales solo rather than teaming up but if you go in with 6 and then make you're own parties with trusts.. and there are multiple telepoints with up to say 15 sets of mobs and fetters then the possibility of having a high return still might be worth it. Another thing i noticed maybe means nothing but i saw some pixels floating out of nowhere that seemed like a mobs name. Maybe a glitch? Or the others maps? Or a random mob?
 I'm sure people regularly killing fluxes/beastmen already knew this, but AoEs that would have hit the untargettable/invisible beastmen will still generate enmity on them, so people should watch for that if they're sleepgaing or horde lullabying fodder. We spawned an NM in today's run.
Brachys: Crab NM (PLD/MNK)
Had a pretty decent (25-30%) Counter rate. Bubble Curtain's Shell effect reduced enspell (RDM with Crocea Mors) dmg to 0 unless it was dispelled. Used Invincible at 25%. Easily landed enfeebles (Slow, Para, Blind, Frazzle, Distract) Pretty easy fight overall.
It was spawned using 10 Izzat after we killed Fetter + Beastmen mobs surrounding it. Asura.Ladyofhonor said: »I have Moogle Mastery III, not sure what's doing it. Status report has:
Nostos killed: 306
Damysus: 2
Salmandra: 2
Cynara: 1
Chests: 3
Seems I ranked up when I killed an Agon Bruiser. The augment system is “tiered”. I’m working on my alts Emeici +1.
Ranks 1-5 give +2 damage. Ranks 6-10 give +2 damage, +3 acc/macc. I assume ranks 11-15 give +2 damage, +3 acc/macc, +2 crit rate.
That’s a neat way to do it, it incentivizes the more expensive ranks. Just had a bad solo experience... turns our not all popped NM's are soloable. Do not recommend popping the nm's for 10 izzat.
Got a cactus who would constantly triple attack and did 600 normal / 1200 crit per attack round. August got insta-KO then healer then myself within 7 seconds. YouTube Video Placeholder
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