Rhongomiant Application
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Rhongomiant Application
Excluding mage heavy strats or rng strats, you can rotate any competent DD in.
I wouldn't bring DRG to Vinipata, Erinys, Onychophora, and, depending on the other melee (i.e. if one is using a Fragmentation WS), Teles.
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I guess I should have put "to the general playerbase" in Bold and 50 point font....
Two anti melee fights and one in which a WAR spamming Resolution is apparently being valued over proper skill chaining.
So, DRG is perfectly fine. Got it.
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maybe I need to be more clear; the problem is less to do with the job, and more to do with the opinion of the unwashed masses. FFS some salty people today.
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Implying that hasn't been the issue with most lol<insertjobhere> phases since the games beginning.
Sylph.Cherche said: » Two anti melee fights and one in which a WAR spamming Resolution is apparently being valued over proper skill chaining. So, DRG is perfectly fine. Got it. Think you're missing the context (also not sure which two of those three are anti-melee- the only one of those three that isn't truly meleed is Erinys) Quote: you can pretty much bring any DD to any endgame/HELM content. Quote: I think there are pretty clearly a few fights where it would be a poor fit, but those fights also exclude a few other jobs as well. Blanket statements are stupid
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The original context was DRGs placement among melee DPS.
The answer being it's more or less interchangeable, ranging from more than adequate to exceptional depending on fight and party composition.
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This is stupid. You can bring DRG to any melee endgame fight and be fine. Stop trying to make this into something else. You aren't going to bring it to things were you would be mage or RNG. That's an entirely different strat.
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Siren.Kyte said: » Sylph.Cherche said: » Two anti melee fights and one in which a WAR spamming Resolution is apparently being valued over proper skill chaining. So, DRG is perfectly fine. Got it. Think you're missing the context (also not sure which two of those three are anti-melee- the only one of those three that isn't truly meleed is Erinys) Quote: you can pretty much bring any DD to any endgame/HELM content. Quote: I think there are pretty clearly a few fights where it would be a poor fit, but those fights also exclude a few other jobs as well. Blanket statements are stupid Right... You knew exactly what fights I was talking about. You (not me) specifically mentioned HELMs, and it's an irredeemable choice for 4/9 and potentially not a great choice on a couple more.
I only said that DRG certainly isn't always interchangeable with other melees, but its conditionality isn't particularly remarkable when comparing it to other DDs. How you can find something disagreeable about that is beyond me. Siren.Kyte said: » I wouldn't bring DRG to Vinipata, Erinys, Onychophora, and, depending on the other melee (i.e. if one is using a Fragmentation WS), Teles.
Claiming that DRG is irrelevant in endgame (according to them) is a fundamentally flawed logic, its almost as flawed as to Rho not being a solid weapon to strive for.
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DRG is fine, you can use it on most fights and parse okey but if i had to choose btw the best DRG across all servers or ejiins sam-war or primex's war-drk-rng i'd pick any of the latter because even if the drg had the best gear, those 2 will still do much better with said jobs.
Topic OP: imo Trishula > mythic > empy > relic but im a little biased since i like mythics, i'd rank it first but trishula's umbra gimmick is just too good to pass. Ragnarok.Phuoc said: » but if i had to choose btw the best DRG across all servers or ejiins sam-war or primex's war-drk-rng i'd pick any of the latter because even if the drg had the best gear, those 2 will still do much better with said jobs. #Strawman_arguments 
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Ragnarok.Phuoc said: » Topic OP: imo Trishula > mythic > empy > relic but im a little biased since i like mythics, i'd rank it first but trishula's umbra gimmick is just too good to pass. your opinion does not change facts however, Mythic polearm is last in the RMEA set because multi hit in not so useful for a job that already WSs faster than all other 2 hander jobs. Empy and Aeonic are somewhat even mostly depending on the content followed not to far by Relic then mythic somewhere after that. Leviathan.Katriina said: » Siren.Kyte said: » I wouldn't bring DRG to Vinipata, Erinys, Onychophora, and, depending on the other melee (i.e. if one is using a Fragmentation WS), Teles.
Claiming that DRG is irrelevant in endgame (according to them) is a fundamentally flawed logic, its almost as flawed as to Rho not being a solid weapon to strive for. Kyte said: I think there are pretty clearly a few fights where it would be a poor fit, but those fights also exclude a few other jobs as well. Kyte said: I only said that DRG certainly isn't always interchangeable with other melees, but its conditionality isn't particularly remarkable when comparing it to other DDs. It's almost like, without going into the details since they're common knowledge, that's exactly what I already said. I made one statement that was meant to be in support of the job (that I do play, lol) and you all act like I said your kid's ugly. As far as Rhongo goes, it sounds like too many are just regurgitating what they've seen on a spreadsheet while ignoring the fact that they have been shown to overvalue Empyreans. I would value Ryunohige over Rhongo (with Trish being the default go-to) just based on the fact that it makes a Fusion WS competitive with other options, which is an often useful thing for cooperative play. Can you bring DRG and still kill things and have fun?
Absolutely, but in those melee zergs it's a bit naive to posture that it isnt the weakest of the 2H jobs (including Lionheart RUN). I've taken it to them all, and like many said you do so because its your favorite job or you enjoy playing it, not because you expect to win the parse Leviathan.Katriina said: » Ragnarok.Phuoc said: » but if i had to choose btw the best DRG across all servers or ejiins sam-war or primex's war-drk-rng i'd pick any of the latter because even if the drg had the best gear, those 2 will still do much better with said jobs. #Strawman_arguments Hey outside of all the salty/"smart" comments you trying to put up without success, im just stating facts here, those 2 guys play said jobs to the max with the best gear, no amount of aftermath on your rhongo will change that now and ever sorry. @Eightball : Well mythic has been always a weapon i liked, there are poor examples of mythic owners in ragna so i cant compare really but on 1 side you got rhongo with 40ish more dmg and aftermath and on the other side you got ryu with multi-hit aftermath, considering you gonna spam stardiver if you not skillchaining, i dont see rhongo pulling (if any) ahead of ryu if you take into consideration ryu am3 will boost stardiver big time. Ragnarok.Phuoc said: » @Eightball : Well mythic has been always a weapon i liked, there are poor examples of mythic owners in ragna so i cant compare really but on 1 side you got rhongo with 40ish more dmg and aftermath and on the other side you got ryu with multi-hit aftermath, considering you gonna spam stardiver if you not skillchaining, i dont see rhongo pulling (if any) ahead of ryu if you take into consideration ryu am3 will boost stardiver big time. opinions and feelings still don't change facts
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Ragnarok.Phuoc said: » no amount of aftermath on your rhongo will change that now and ever sorry.
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Sylph.Cherche said: » Ragnarok.Phuoc said: » no amount of aftermath on your rhongo will change that now and ever sorry. Absolutely No point there whatsoever except telling us He/She/They/Them/Xer/Hir loves Ejiin and Primex! The Argument is as lack luster as Ryuno. Putting Rho, and Trish to test in field and on spreadsheets, in capped situations (pDif mostly) Rho wins on both, if solo DPS fully buffed Trish wins, if Stardiver Spam in Zerg scenarios with meatheads (DDs that spam without order) it pulls ahead of Rho. in Low buffs situation Rho leads by a lot. For survivability purposes Rho's 50 VIT is amazing. Be that as it may, people can speculate all day! the moment they go and make an empy they will change their minds. Yeah, they get off Drg and go play a real DD job @ Salty!
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Leviathan.Katriina said: » Sylph.Cherche said: » Ragnarok.Phuoc said: » no amount of aftermath on your rhongo will change that now and ever sorry. Absolutely No point there whatsoever except telling us He/She/They/Them/Xer/Hir loves Ejiin and Primex! The Argument is as lack luster as Ryuno. Putting Rho, and Trish to test in field and on spreadsheets, in capped situations (pDif mostly) Rho wins on both, if solo DPS fully buffed Trish wins, if Stardiver Spam in Zerg scenarios with meatheads (DDs that spam without order) it pulls ahead of Rho. in Low buffs situation Rho leads by a lot. For survivability purposes Rho's 50 VIT is amazing. Be that as it may, people can speculate all day! the moment they go and make an empy they will change their minds. Thats why i mentioned on spreadsheets and in field
too many uncontrollable variables in "in field"
Working as intended. Full buff no stress from Fight = boring game.
Ramuh.Austar said: » too many uncontrollable variables in "in field" Exactly! So whats your point? If Empy wins with too many variables "in field" (Capped pDif) and wins on Spreadsheets.. whats you're issue? be specific ... you're not worth the hassle to explain it to.
Sylph.Cherche said: » Ragnarok.Phuoc said: » no amount of aftermath on your rhongo will change that now and ever sorry. My point is DRG is pretty lack luster overall so all the help you can get from weapon diversity should be welcome period, there's at least 7 other DDs that pull ahead endgame easy. Leviathan.Katriina said: » Sylph.Cherche said: » Ragnarok.Phuoc said: » no amount of aftermath on your rhongo will change that now and ever sorry. Absolutely No point there whatsoever except telling us He/She/They/Them/Xer/Hir loves Ejiin and Primex! The Argument is as lack luster as Ryuno. Putting Rho, and Trish to test in field and on spreadsheets, in capped situations (pDif mostly) Rho wins on both, if solo DPS fully buffed Trish wins, if Stardiver Spam in Zerg scenarios with meatheads (DDs that spam without order) it pulls ahead of Rho. in Low buffs situation Rho leads by a lot. For survivability purposes Rho's 50 VIT is amazing. Be that as it may, people can speculate all day! the moment they go and make an empy they will change their minds. Yea i love them, you win son. |
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