Random Arguments & Strawmen #15

Neckbeards who refuse to be wrong can be found in all the groups you listed.

As someone who is always right and not atheist, I may have been exaggerating.

See this is why we don't discuss religion it angers up the blood !

How is 1% of the nation paying almost half of the total national income tax considered fair to you again? They don't own the same amount of total wealth (compared to total wealth owned vs. nation) like you are alluding to.

Compare that to the fact that more than half of the people in the nation do not pay income tax at all, how can you justify any of this being fair at all?

Progressive tax system is the epitome of unfairness. People accept it because it's more politically convenient to do than to institute a fair tax system (such as national sales taxes, which knows no biases at all).

Hi, nice to meet you.

Then why aren't you proposing an actual fair tax, like a national sales tax?

So, what are your ideas? Not ideas other proposed but you have a very vague understanding of, but your own personal ideas of what is fair?

I'm not sure you even know the answer to that question.

What do you propose we change? There are multiple issues with how the federal government is spending/wasting our tax dollars, be it with college grants, R&D grants, social services, Medicare/Medicaid, certain refundable tax credits (EITC is a great example of wasting our tax dollars due to extensive fraud), defense, foreign affairs, and so on. Take your pick, and let's talk about it.

Are you talking about when it did work (Reagan to Bush I years) or when it became crony capitalism (Clinton, Bush II, and Obama years)?

If you separate them both out. However, it's not impossible, and actually pretty easy to figure out, if you understand both subjects well enough.

If I was in Obama/Trump's shoes, it is very easy to condition the spending habits of this nation and also with businesses just by changing the tax code alone.

Not to mention among the Amish, who were not listed, but who I refuse to let off the hook just because they don't argue on the internet about these things.

It angers people because it is hard for some people to accept that some religions could use some refining so they don't continually oppress women and gays or so they don't continue to incite violence.

Worked for the Christians!

If you have beef with the Amish who really don't get involved with anything. You are just looking to pick a fight !

Ummmmm...nope just gonna keep it classy.

So you are telling me that Muslims are the peace loving hippies I believe them to be !

Oh go to the angry dome and cool off, guy.

Pfft, none of those groups try hard enough. Get back to me when we start seeing terroristic neckbeard Baptists.

Are you suggesting the Amish join ISIS ?

Old-school bro!

As a woman I don't possess a beard, so I feel like this measure unit for wrongness is not universally applicable!

I mean...

Just wait until menopause.

The role of oppressing women have been shifted to white males. The most hated group of individuals of all time.

Here's an interesting question to throw out there. What is the point in having states anymore? What constitutes a state?

What I mean is, making laws that permit to an entire state just isn't practical anymore. Take New York for example. New York City practically runs that entire state, but why? "Upstate New York" as it is commonly referred to is vastly different from New York City. What is good for the city is not good for the rather rural state, or the smaller cities of Buffalo, Rochester, and Albany.

Would it not make more sense to have political boundaries be based on major metropolitan areas and get rid of the idea of states as it is?

I was just thinking yesterday about how a national sales tax, even a small one, would be a fantastic idea if done correctly.

Have you met Flavin?

Clearly you've never been stuck behind a buggy going the speed of a single malnourished horse.

He's not Amish! He's Mennonite!

That's how Italy was after the fall of Rome until like a century ago (give or take 50yrs). Polis states don't really work in the modern era of unions and conglomerates.

Going to try and not "Wall-of-text" this post since others don't like it



Then you are more qualified to talk about what our tax laws currently are, and again I'm not arguing nor am I going to try to argue how to use them. Nor do I blame people for taking advantage of them.

I simply don't have enough information on the topic to formulate an opinion on what needs to be done, I probably never will. The only idea I am championing is that all people in this nation need to be taken care of in some form or manor. People need jobs, and a lot of them need help getting jobs. Some people are unable to work, what do with them? These are the questions that I'd rather be asking.

More taxes could easily mean more money in the governments pockets that can be used to answer those, but less taxes could also mean the same thing if it stimulates the economy. I understand and respect how both function. One is direct the other is indirect but the latter if it works would make people happier - Thus I'm not opposed to it if it can work.

All-in-all, I respect your knowledge in the area and understand my lack of knowledge. I would much rather have philosophical conversation about what needs to be accomplished as opposed to the means. I think if people could agree on that we would see a lot more movement on some of these issues.


Lastly,


Your source provided very little information, while the Pew research source I provided earlier provides enough information to conclude that the top 1% are paying income taxes at a slightly higher rate then the rest of the US. I find that aspect fair.

Same difference!

1861.

I tried to find a picture of a malnourished horse. This is the best I could do:

Menonites shave!

Provide tax cuts to the middle class and the middle-upper class and then implement a national sales tax. People would start spending more, the government would get their tax cuts back and businesses would profit from the increase in expenditure. At least that is how I think it would work out.

That is a Mennonite though, just that he's from Belize

Or maybe they're just allowed to and aren't required to.

I don't know. I can't keep these *** around here straight.

Just tell them to get their *** buggies off the road!