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Random Politics & Religion #06
 Bahamut.Ravael
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-06-16 14:34:09
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Also, I cited sovereign citizens specifically because the FBI consider them one of the top threats *right now* and most (but not all) subscribe to natural law, a corruption(?) of Judeo-Christian tenets.
Just because they aren't occupying TV space constantly doesn't mean they don't exist. They are domestic, citizens and they're terrorists. Gonna ban them too?
Well they're here already, so that doesn't make much sense. Give them due process, make them rot in prison. Seems straightforward enough. It's still a crappy version of false equivalence, though.
 Ragnarok.Hevans
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By Ragnarok.Hevans 2016-06-16 14:46:14
more jewish and christian terrorist attacks than those by muslims. wuddup?
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-06-16 14:49:26
more jewish and christian terrorist attacks than those by muslims. wuddup?
Worldwide? And in the name of their religion?
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2016-06-16 14:53:18
more jewish and christian terrorist attacks than those by muslims. wuddup?
Worldwide? And in the name of their religion?
One wonders how long people can simply refuse to understand.
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Ragnarok.Hevans
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By Ragnarok.Hevans 2016-06-16 14:54:00
in the us.
Bahamut.Ravael
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-06-16 14:54:53
A few years old, but recent enough:
Quote: Sunni Muslim terrorists committed “about 70 percent” of the 12,533 terrorist murders in the world last year, according to a report by the National Counterterrorism Center (NCTC).
The information comes from the 2011 NCTC Report on Terrorism, which is based on information available as of March 12, 2012.
Ragnarok.Raenil
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By Ragnarok.Raenil 2016-06-16 14:55:42
That can't be the case. I mean, Trump says radical islam is the biggest threat to the United States.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2016-06-16 14:55:48
more jewish and christian terrorist attacks than those by muslims. wuddup?
Worldwide? And in the name of their religion?
We're talking about mass shootings in America.
You know, going back to Virginia Tech in 2007(?)
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2016-06-16 14:56:28
The issues of Islamic terror =/= the issues of routine mass massacres in the US.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-06-16 14:57:55
You mean Christians, who represent ~83% of the U.S. population, committed more terrorist attacks than Muslims, who represent ~1% of the U.S. population.
I. Can't. Believe It.
On the other hand, the article I saw about it said that radical Islam terrorist attacks represented over 10% of the deaths. I think we have a ratio problem here.
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Ragnarok.Raenil
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By Ragnarok.Raenil 2016-06-16 14:59:48
Starting on 9/11? Sure, I could believe that. That'd give them a huge lead.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-06-16 15:00:54
Starting on 9/11? Sure, I could believe that. That'd give them a huge lead. 9/11.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-06-16 15:03:02
Yes, the problem is terrorism, not muslisms.
I'm sure if you were one of the ones being murdered during the Crusades, you would have been saying:
"Guys, religious fundamentalism is the problem here, not Christians."
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By Ragnarok.Hevans 2016-06-16 15:03:11
if you look at it as a worldwide number, it's gonna be skewed by the fact that the majority of those were done in countries were it was muslim on muslim attacks. in the US there have been more attacks by christians, jews, and left wing extremists than muslims. you can try to flip that info anyway you want, but if you're off target if you're looking for the real biggest threat.
hell americans eating habbits are a bigger threat to them than isis.
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Bahamut.Ravael
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-06-16 15:07:30
if you look at it as a worldwide number, it's gonna be skewed by the fact that the majority of those were done in countries were it was muslim on muslim attacks. in the US there have been more attacks by christians, jews, and left wing extremists than muslims. you can try to flip that info anyway you want, but if you're off target if you're looking for the real biggest threat.
hell americans eating habbits are a bigger threat to them than isis.
I don't give a crap what Trump thinks is the biggest threat. I'm just saying call a spade a spade. And yes, the American diet is a much larger contributor to deaths....
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By Ragnarok.Hevans 2016-06-16 15:08:34
i at no point was talking about trump.
By Jetackuu 2016-06-16 15:11:28
The reason Democrats say that ISIS aren't Muslim. Off topic, but your example has an actual explanation.
Yeah, sounds like a big NTS fallacy to me.
I'm not sure what you're referencing...
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By Ragnarok.Raenil 2016-06-16 15:11:58
I brought it up. But again, you aren't the only one who'll read this thread, Ravael.
By Jetackuu 2016-06-16 15:16:58
hell americans eating habbits are a bigger threat to them than isis. Bacon is tasty.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2016-06-16 15:27:30
Given the prevalence of mass shootings, you're about even on dying to a young, white male psychopath as you are a young, muslim psychopath.
Or did we forget about Lanza, Roof, Laughner and every other American who decides to pick up a gun and ruin lives?
By Jetackuu 2016-06-16 15:28:51
I'd say I'm probably more likely to get shot by a cop, and I'm white.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2016-06-16 15:29:21
I'd say I'm probably more likely to get shot by a cop, and I'm white.
Talking about mass shootings, not police overreach which is another important but ultimately unlinked issue.
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By Jetackuu 2016-06-16 15:32:06
Eh, I haven't been following, was just mentioning death in general.
 Caitsith.Zahrah
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2016-06-16 15:48:51
I'm sorry I about spit my tea with this hypothetical, and the thought it induced.
Yes, the problem is terrorism, not muslisms.
I'm sure if you were one of the ones being murdered during the Crusades, you would have been saying:
"Guys, religious fundamentalism is the problem here, not Christians."
No worries, Caitsith.Linear, if you and Rav were both around during the Crusades, barring the technology being used in this discussion, the geographic expanse between you two relative to Europe and/or Muslim held territories, you wouldn't be having this discussion anyway.
Also, if you were murdered by a combatant in the Crusades and speaking from beyond the grave to us, I think most here would be inclined to say, "Holy ***! Are we canonizing this dude or what? Pass the wafers and wine, please!"
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By Anna Ruthven 2016-06-16 15:58:07
If I have to die to a gun shot, I want to be shot by a deer while I'm hunting. I want my death to be ironic.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2016-06-16 15:58:46
Nah, because after 11 million or so about 70 years ago, we finally decided enough was enough. I mean, we're still defending radical christian groups right to exist today, but the murder has calmed down considerably.
Because you're not the only *** person in this thread. Nausi's the one who brought this ***up and makes attempts whenever he can to attempt to spew islamic phobia ***. I would remind all here of Bosnia, 1995.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2016-06-16 16:05:13
If I have to die to a gun shot, I want to be shot by a deer while I'm hunting. I want my death to be ironic.
Well, it was always my dream to make hunting of any big game 100% legal, no permit required... if you go unarmed, wear only a loincloth, and someone is on the sidelines filming.
It might not be the same as handing a deer a gun, but at least it evens the playing field a bit.
By Jassik 2016-06-16 16:13:17
The reason Democrats say that ISIS aren't Muslim. Off topic, but your example has an actual explanation.
Yeah, sounds like a big NTS fallacy to me.
I'm not sure what you're referencing...
I wasn't making any judgement on it, that's just the logic behind their sentiment. It holds up, though, as anyone can take selective elements of a religion and turn it into a radical offshoot that is not representative of the source.
I'm not one to defend religion in general, so take my comments in the spirit they were intended.
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