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Does islam require forced conversions?
 Bahamut.Milamber
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-09-24 11:03:45
Asura.Refreshazure said: »Asura.Refreshazure said: » My intelligent doesn't have anything to do with my analysis of what is actually correct
I have no intention of claiming I am smart therefore everything I say is correct.
everything I say has been backed by weeks and weeks of research. What does your "weeks of weeks of research" have anything to do with the veracity of what you say?
Quality and documentation of sources says far more than duration.
Asura.Refreshazure said: » anyone can say evolution is true as long as they think about it but it takes a special kind someone in order to backup creationism. Wait what? I don't want you thinking that evolution is true because it logically makes sense.
I want to thinking that the theory of evolution best matches the evidence that we see, as determined by empirical studies.
it logically makes sense because of empirical studies 
Asura.Refreshazure said: »I have to stop posting for now. We got you the first time. It's a forum. The posts will still be here, unless a mod nukes a thread. You can reply asynchronously.
Asura.Refreshazure said: »Let my roommates sleep guys and try not to straw man me into a box ignorant knowledge. Where is the straw man?
Asura.Refreshazure said: »I have to stop posting for now. We got you the first and second time.
Asura.Refreshazure said: » go back to Islam discussion. Hmm. Nah.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-09-24 11:04:56
Mil!
Mil.
Refresh had to stop posting for now.
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-24 11:07:04
katakana isn't a cakewalk Katakana and Hiragana are very easy to learn, just repeat some pages on a notebook you'll be done pretty soon.
Kanji though... honestly after this physics class if I can learn anything at all I'll be impressed.
The sad part is, I know I knew a lot of this ***at one point, but it's been lost to the ether.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Maldini 2014-09-24 11:07:08
As far as I know it's a cry of joy, how's that offensive?
And yeah, obviously it's easier to learn by being on the spot than in a classroom. However movies, shows, etc can help greatly.
What is an Islamic cry? Can you show me one please.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-09-24 11:09:13
Imma guess you didn't even understand what I said and leave it at that.
What I said was as offensive as saying olè to a spanish person.
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-09-24 11:09:30
Mil!
Mil.
Refresh had to stop posting for now. Huh. Seems I missed that.
By volkom 2014-09-24 11:09:50
sorry~had to do it since I was reminded of it
the power compelled me. (hope no offense is taken)
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By Quetzalcoatl.Maldini 2014-09-24 11:10:01
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »I'm always there.
Watching.
Ready to state my opinion like it matters.
*islamic cry* lululululululu! Do you see how this can be offensive towards muslims/arabs?
Or are you that racist? 
Offensive or not? You decide. Not really - Cohen was taking the piss out of Arab dictators. That movie is probably more popular in the Arab world than it is in the west.
There's a world of difference between "Team America" and Cohen's work.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-09-24 11:12:22
Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »As far as I know it's a cry of joy, how's that offensive?
And yeah, obviously it's easier to learn by being on the spot than in a classroom. However movies, shows, etc can help greatly.
What is an Islamic cry? Can you show me one please.
Allahu Akbar!
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-09-24 11:12:50
Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »I'm always there.
Watching.
Ready to state my opinion like it matters.
*islamic cry* lululululululu! Do you see how this can be offensive towards muslims/arabs?
Or are you that racist?
Offensive or not? You decide. Not really - Cohen was taking the piss out of Arab dictators. That movie is probably more popular in the Arab world than it is in the west.
There's a world of difference between "Team America" and Cohen's work.
I found both to be satirical, Team America is pretty offensive all around. So was Borat if you ask the right people.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Maldini 2014-09-24 11:13:08
Imma guess you didn't even understand what I said and leave it at that.
What I said was as offensive as saying olè to a spanish person. I'm not Spanish so I don't understand the relevance or what the term means.
If a spaniard told me it offends them, I would refrain from using it. That's the civil thing to do. Or I could be a right titt and carry on saying it and then argue with them about why I think it isn't offensive. I'm sure they would have preferred me not exercising my ignorance though.
By Jetackuu 2014-09-24 11:14:01
Or one could get over themselves and not take every little thing that wasn't meant to be offensive as offensive.
Context, yo'
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-09-24 11:14:20
katakana isn't a cakewalk Katakana and Hiragana are very easy to learn, just repeat some pages on a notebook you'll be done pretty soon.
Kanji though... Exactly this.
Simple grammar system, phonetic alphabets... You pretty much just need to put time in for memorization of katakana/hiragana and vocabulary.
That, and (like everything else) constant practice.
By volkom 2014-09-24 11:14:32
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »As far as I know it's a cry of joy, how's that offensive?
And yeah, obviously it's easier to learn by being on the spot than in a classroom. However movies, shows, etc can help greatly.
What is an Islamic cry? Can you show me one please.
Allahu Akbar!
I watched one of the news videos of some fighters shooting something out of the sky. I probably heard that phrase shouted like x30 throughout the whole vid.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-09-24 11:14:46
You seem to have not even understood what I mentioned at all. But carry on and be offended, that must have been so hurtful.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-09-24 11:14:54
Don't forget the left ***... they hate that...
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By Quetzalcoatl.Maldini 2014-09-24 11:20:04
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »As far as I know it's a cry of joy, how's that offensive?
And yeah, obviously it's easier to learn by being on the spot than in a classroom. However movies, shows, etc can help greatly.
What is an Islamic cry? Can you show me one please.
Allahu Akbar!
I watched one of the news videos of some fighters shooting something out of the sky. I probably heard that phrase shouted like x30 throughout the whole vid. That's because it is indeed an Islamic phrase meaning "God is Greater".
However, its not "lulululululu"
Sehachan's comment was obviously made in a non-derogatory context and meant to demonstrate her impartial opinion. /sarcasm off
Edit: I'm glad Jet agrees with her. Birds of a feather and all that.
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By Jetackuu 2014-09-24 11:22:00
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-09-24 11:22:01
He is just an act, I guess he must be bored in life To be fair life would be quite boring if it were 'perfect.' Life wouldn't be boring at all if it were perfect... not even a little bit.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-09-24 11:23:04
I think you're looking into it a bit much. I didn't really see the offense, it's sorta like saying a Spanish cry of jajajajajajaja but more Islamic 'n stuff.
But maybe I'm assuming Seha isn't a racist. I do tend to give people too much credit, but I have faith in this one.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Maldini 2014-09-24 11:23:50
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »I'm always there.
Watching.
Ready to state my opinion like it matters.
*islamic cry* lululululululu! Do you see how this can be offensive towards muslims/arabs?
Or are you that racist?
Offensive or not? You decide. Not really - Cohen was taking the piss out of Arab dictators. That movie is probably more popular in the Arab world than it is in the west.
There's a world of difference between "Team America" and Cohen's work.
I found both to be satirical, Team America is pretty offensive all around. So was Borat if you ask the right people.
I don't think he meant to offend anyone with his movies.
However,I wouldn't be naive or ignorant enough to use a term from one of Cohen's movie.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-09-24 11:23:59
Yeah it wasn't derogatory you turnip.
And btw it wasn't what Sparth said either. I meant the high pitched, repeating L cry of joy that is typical only in islamic countries(at least I've never seen it performed anywhere else). I made no reference of it having any negative connotation.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-09-24 11:25:06
The lulululululu thing made me think of the thing with stewie griffin when Peter founded Petopia after discovering that his land wasn't officially a part of America. Some dictator of some sort was shwoing him how to do some kind of death cry but I'm not quite sure if it was realted to Islam at all.
I gotta find a clip of that now...
PARKER!!!!
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By Quetzalcoatl.Maldini 2014-09-24 11:25:11
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I think you're looking into it a bit much. I didn't really see the offense, it's sorta like saying a Spanish cry of jajajajajajaja but more Islamic 'n stuff.
But maybe I'm assuming Seha isn't a racist. I do tend to give people too much credit, but I have faith in this one.
Actually, its nothing like the Spanish "Jajajaja".
If anything it is more closely resembled by racist shouting "Sig Heil" or "Heil Hitler" in the presence of Germans.
Can you see the difference?
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-09-24 11:25:37
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I think you're looking into it a bit much. I didn't really see the offense, it's sorta like saying a Spanish cry of jajajajajajaja but more Islamic 'n stuff.
But maybe I'm assuming Seha isn't a racist. I do tend to give people too much credit, but I have faith in this one. jajajajajaja is laughing in spanish as far as I know lol...
By Jetackuu 2014-09-24 11:27:06
The lulululululu thing made me think of the thing with stewie griffin when Peter founded Petopia after discovering that his land wasn't officially a part of America. Some dictator of some sort was shwoing him how to do some kind of death cry but I'm not quite sure if it was realted to Islam at all.
I gotta find a clip of that now...
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Parker's slacking.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Maldini 2014-09-24 11:27:28
Yeah it wasn't derogatory you turnip.
And btw it wasn't what Sparth said either. I meant the high pitched, repeating L cry of joy that is typical only in islamic countries(at least I've never seen it performed anywhere else). I made no reference of it having any negative connotation.
I know to what you are referring, but that is by no means "Islamic". Now you know better.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-09-24 11:27:39
Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »
Actually, its nothing like the Spanish "Jajajaja".
If anything it is more closely resembled by racist shouting "Sig Heil" or "Heil Hitler" in the presence of Germans.
Can you see the difference?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Maldini 2014-09-24 11:28:14
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I think you're looking into it a bit much. I didn't really see the offense, it's sorta like saying a Spanish cry of jajajajajajaja but more Islamic 'n stuff.
But maybe I'm assuming Seha isn't a racist. I do tend to give people too much credit, but I have faith in this one. jajajajajaja is laughing in spanish as far as I know lol...
It is, since many spanish accents pronounce the "J" and "ha"
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-09-24 11:28:58
My God! By islamic I wasn't inferring any religious connotation, stop fighting over everything when it's not needed. Arabic better?
There is no question that many people have been killed by those who wish to convert others to their religion. It's not just Muslims killing Christians, it has happened for just about every religion out there.
Specifically about islam, though, I'm trying to understand more about what various religious writings have. From what I can find, there are statements from Muhammad that both dictate forced conversion as well as statements that dictate leaving others in peace.
For example, here's a statement that appears to be forcing conversion: Quote: Narrated Ibn 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."
And here's one that says leave people alone: Quote: I shall exempt them from that which may disturb them; of the burdens which are paid by others as an oath of allegiance. They must not give anything of their income but that which pleases them—they must not be offended, or disturbed, or coerced or compelled. Their judges should not be changed or prevented from accomplishing their offices, nor the monks disturbed in exercising their religious order, or the people of seclusion be stopped from dwelling in their cells.
Are these really just contradictory messages? I know religious questions are effectively impossible to answer, so I'd like to phrase things this way: Are Muhammad's writings 100% for forced conversion, 100% against, or do they give conflicting advice?
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