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Mass rise in children crossing into the US
Lakshmi.Zerowone
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-07-15 13:09:50
American culture is raping and pillaging for a buck. No more no less. I'm fairly certain we borrowed it from European empires and made claim it was an original idea, which coincidentally is also an other aspect of American culture.
tldr or didn't get the truth within the joke: Americans who cry that we're losing our culture have no clue what American culture is.
Bismarck.Ramyrez
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-07-15 13:11:05
Zero feels 400% strongly about that post.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-07-15 13:11:10
The whole immigration process needs to be reworked. I'm someone intimately familiar with LEGAL immigration, my wife is a foreign citizen. From her initial visa process as a student a few years before I met her to her most recent permanent residence filings, we've collectively spent about 30 grand in fees, documents, getting immunizations she already had, professional translation of her foreign documents, passport photos over and over, THOUSANDS on just filing fees, hundreds in gas to go back and forth to immigration offices locally and even having to travel almost 600 miles to a regional office twice. She even had to go home at one point for almost 8 months to wait when one of her visa's expired 6 months after filing for an extension and had received no reply. She entered the country legally, studied and worked legally, etc. The system is ***.
Until they make legal immigration feasible, illegal immigration will continue. Building a bigger fence or shooting people at the border or marooning children in the Mojave desert aren't solutions, neither is housing and educating them.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-07-15 13:12:26
Zero feels 400% strongly about that post.
was some serious lag causing the famed triple post. Deleted the first two.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-07-15 13:12:43
I think zero broke the site for a bit.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2014-07-15 13:19:58
Ask the House, still waiting on them.
Really? I was unaware that the administration could just ship people all across the country without letting receiving state officials know.
Pretty sure federal witness relocation programs (after trial operations) don't notify state officials, as that kind of defeats the purpose.
There are also military bases, federal land, and various "black sites" (not confirmed US locations) to which I'm pretty sure state officials are not notified when transport occurs to these sites even though it goes through the states sovereign terrority.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-07-15 13:21:37
Possibly. But American "culture" still has a high level of moronic puritanical twatism.
"Culture" in quotes, simply because it is rather difficult to find any kind of uniform culture in the US. Which is kind of one of the the basic concepts for the US. The US is a "Melting pot culture", which takes, and incorporates the cultures of it's citizens, as it's own. Colonial America took and used German and British culture as it's origins, among Chinese, African, and some Japanese, due to the slave labor forced upon those peoples to build the railways, and tend to the fields, so the lazy proprietors didn't have to do the work they were escaping from as serfs.
As life expanded in the US, so did the myriad of cultures who had heard about it, eventually as "the land of opportunity and The American Dream", come to share their culture, and add to it's prosperity.
But "Not in MY America" has also become it's own culture.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-07-15 13:23:44
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »Possibly. But American "culture" still has a high level of moronic puritanical twatism.
"Culture" in quotes, simply because it is rather difficult to find any kind of uniform culture in the US. Which is kind of one of the the basic concepts for the US. The US is a "Melting pot culture", which takes, and incorporates the cultures of it's citizens, as it's own. Colonial America took and used German and British culture as it's origins, among Chinese, African, and some Japanese, due to the slave labor forced upon those peoples to build the railways, and tend to the fields, so the lazy proprietors didn't have to do the work they were escaping from as serfs.
As life expanded in the US, so did the myriad of cultures who had heard about it, eventually as "the land of opportunity and The American Dream", come to share their culture, and add to it's prosperity.
But "Not in MY America" has also become it's own culture.
N.I.M.B.Y. BABY!
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-07-15 13:26:09
We have been dealing with illegal immigration for centuries, American culture will be just fine. No one takes the conservative fear mongering seriously, we just want them to pass some legislation, or at least approve the emergency funding request from the only person doing anything in Washington. But even that seems to be too much. But hey, they did just pass unrelated tax cuts for businesses that would add almost 300 billion to the deficit, hooray!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-07-15 13:39:22
No one takes the conservative progressive fear mongering seriously ftfy.
Because who is really pitching a fit? Texas had these immigrants in our Air Force Base for a while now. When they were shipped to California (a progressive dreamland) that is when people started bitching about it.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-07-15 13:42:42
Lol, nice fantasy, but we have all seen Rick Perry in his new spectacles bitching for the last few weeks now. Conservative outrage is on full blast right now, and it's their own Congressional chamber that is ignoring them.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-07-15 13:43:10
No one takes the conservative progressive fear mongering seriously ftfy.
Because who is really pitching a fit? Texas had these immigrants in our Air Force Base for a while now. When they were shipped to California (a progressive dreamland) that is when people started bitching about it.
More concerned about the welfare of these kids than anything else, really. Both physical and otherwise.
There are, of course, practical discussion regarding logistics and the costs involved. But we are talking about children who probably didn't get much choice in all of this in any fashion.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-07-15 13:44:06
Oh and, Texas wasn't holding them on an Air Force base, the federal government was, Air Force bases are not state land.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-07-15 13:45:11
Glass half full! Now, maybe Nebraska can finally know the supreme satisfaction of a belly full of real deal barbacoa, carnitas, fresca, menudo, etc. from mom and pop Mexican restaurants along with border states.
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Bahamut.Milamber
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-07-15 13:45:21
We have been dealing with illegal immigration for centuries, Uh, what?
Immigration wasn't restricted in the US until the 1870s.
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Bismarck.Ramyrez
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-07-15 13:47:42
See, this is the problem I have with the Legislative branch right now. There are people out there trying to get on with their lives and no one seems to give a flying ***.
The poor, the disabled, lower and upper middle classes, immigrant children like these. They're trying to get by and not get screwed over.
Sure the rich can sit and *** about their returns on investments - and don't get me wrong, there's enough capilalist in me to believe they are entitled to the fruits of their labors -, but at least they have the sheer cash power to weather the ideological shitstorm that is the Legislative process right now...and some of them are helping it go on and on (again. Both parties. Not taking sides here. They're all *** right now.)
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-07-15 13:50:19
Glass half full! Now, maybe Nebraska can finally know the supreme satisfaction of a belly full of real deal barbacoa, carnitas, fresca, menudo, etc. from mom and pop Mexican restaurants along with border states.
God dammit. Now I need to drive 200 miles to eat at my favorite Mexican place. Thank you, Z. Thank you.
(Coincidentally, Erie, Pa has a lot of immigrants going back to its roots and currently supports a rather diverse immigrant crowd; there are groups in the city geared specifically to helping immigrants and refugees. The Mexicans open absolutely fantastic restaurants.)
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-07-15 13:51:56
Glass half full! Now, maybe Nebraska can finally know the supreme satisfaction of a belly full of real deal barbacoa, carnitas, fresca, menudo, etc. from mom and pop Mexican restaurants along with border states.
These kids aren't originating from Mexico lol.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-07-15 13:54:04
Glass half full! Now, maybe Nebraska can finally know the supreme satisfaction of a belly full of real deal barbacoa, carnitas, fresca, menudo, etc. from mom and pop Mexican restaurants along with border states.
These kids aren't originating from Mexico lol.
That's like arguing that the people running the Chinese restaurant are Koreans.
It's still tasty!
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Ragnarok.Azryel
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By Ragnarok.Azryel 2014-07-15 13:55:05
The obvious thing to do here is to completely open our borders, absolutely abolish any and all citizenship requirements, and then entirely fund the costs of living for the entire planet Earth while sitting around a great big campfire singing songs and playing the bongos with everyone loving everyone else because that’s the humanitarian thing to do… and then once our welfare state comes crashing down because there simply aren’t enough productive citizens to fund it, we can all sit back and relax and be equally destitute together because you’re a racist.
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Caitsith.Zahrah
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-07-15 14:05:02
Glass half full! Now, maybe Nebraska can finally know the supreme satisfaction of a belly full of real deal barbacoa, carnitas, fresca, menudo, etc. from mom and pop Mexican restaurants along with border states.
God dammit. Now I need to drive 200 miles to eat at my favorite Mexican place. Thank you, Z. Thank you.
(Coincidentally, Erie, Pa has a lot of immigrants going back to its roots and currently supports a rather diverse immigrant crowd; there are groups in the city geared specifically to helping immigrants and refugees. The Mexicans open absolutely fantastic restaurants.)
Hurts your soul, doesn't it? Sorry. Skipped lunch. I have food on the brain.
Also, frijoles charros!!! Me gusta!
EDIT: Don't mind Vic. He's being a spoil sport again.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-07-15 14:10:33
The obvious thing to do here is to completely open our borders, absolutely abolish any and all citizenship requirements, and then entirely fund the costs of living for the entire planet Earth while sitting around a great big campfire singing songs and playing the bongos with everyone loving everyone else because that’s the humanitarian thing to do… and then once our welfare state comes crashing down because there simply aren’t enough productive citizens to fund it, we can all sit back and relax and be equally destitute together because you’re a racist.
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Bahamut.Ravael
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-07-15 14:12:24
Yeah, screw logistics. Ideals (and especially the immigrant votes) are more important.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-07-15 14:14:23
The obvious thing to do here is to completely open our borders, absolutely abolish any and all citizenship requirements, and then entirely fund the costs of living for the entire planet Earth while sitting around a great big campfire singing songs and playing the bongos with everyone loving everyone else because that’s the humanitarian thing to do… and then once our welfare state comes crashing down because there simply aren’t enough productive citizens to fund it, we can all sit back and relax and be equally destitute together because you’re a racist. Who's actually advocating for that?
Oh right, nobody.
Bismarck.Ramyrez
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-07-15 14:18:04
Yeah, screw logistics. Ideals (and especially the immigrant votes) are more important.
Every time I discuss any sort of population control people get touchy.
Don't balk at logistics now.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-07-15 14:36:11
The obvious thing to do here is to completely open our borders, absolutely abolish any and all citizenship requirements, and then entirely fund the costs of living for the entire planet Earth while sitting around a great big campfire singing songs and playing the bongos with everyone loving everyone else because that’s the humanitarian thing to do… and then once our welfare state comes crashing down because there simply aren’t enough productive citizens to fund it, we can all sit back and relax and be equally destitute together because you’re a racist. Who's actually advocating for that?
Oh right, nobody.
That's what's happening bro, We're being overrun. The Obama signal is in the sky and the rush is on for "ethnic replacement". We've had it good enough, long enough. It's time Americans felt what it was like to live like the rest of the world.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-07-15 14:37:49
Yeah, screw logistics. Ideals (and especially the immigrant votes) are more important.
Every time I discuss any sort of population control people get touchy.
Don't balk at logistics now. What the hell do we need population control for? We should be encouraging Americans to make more babies.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-07-15 14:37:56
Just a thought, if we invaded Mexico and killed them all, there wouldn't be any Mexicans to cross the border. Who'd stop us?
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Quote: Immigrant Children Crossing into the US
OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — As many as 1,200 children who were detained while trying to enter the U.S. illegally will be taken to Fort Sill this week as federal officials try to find their families or place them with a sponsor, federal and military officials said Monday.
The unaccompanied minors, most of them teenagers from Central America, will start arriving at Fort Sill from Arizona starting Friday, according to Fort Sill and the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. The children and teens are among the more than 47,000 unaccompanied minors taken into custody at the border since October.
Federal authorities plan to use a holding facility in Nogales, Arizona, as a way station where the children will be vaccinated and checked medically before being sent to Fort Sill and other housing facilities in Texas and California.
Fort Sill said it will temporarily hold between 600 and 1,200 minors in vacant housing at the Army post for up to four months, or as long as directed. DHHS’s Administration for Children and Families will be responsible for their care.
“Fort Sill will provide a vacant facility historically used by soldiers set apart from main post that offers sleeping quarters, bathing and toilet facilities, as well as multi-purpose gathering space,” Keith Pannell and Nancy Elliott, spokespeople for Fort Sill, said in a statement released Monday.
Oklahoma’s congressional delegation criticized the plan, saying military bases shouldn’t be used for such purposes.
“Using Fort Sill and other military bases to house illegal immigrants is simply an inappropriate use of military facilities,” said Republican Rep. Tom Cole, whose district includes the Army post about 85 miles southwest of Oklahoma City. “Moreover, I am concerned that what begins as an emergency measure could, over time, evolve into a permanent juvenile detention center for those who have entered the country illegally.”
The move is part of the Unaccompanied Alien Children program, which provides foster care, group homes and residential treatment centers for minors who try to cross the border without their parents or guardians. It also provides classroom education, health care, vocational training and legal services, according to DHHS’s website.
The U.S. Department of Homeland Security last month started flying immigrants in the U.S. illegally to Arizona from the Rio Grande Valley in Texas after the number of immigrants — including more than 48,000 children traveling on their own — overwhelmed the Border Patrol there.
Immigrant families were flown from Texas and released in Arizona, then told to report to a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement office near where they were traveling within 15 days. ICE has said the immigrants were mostly families from Central America fleeing extreme poverty and violence.
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