Valefor.Prothescar said: »
Starcraft II and saying "YOU DUN PLAY CAMPUGN 9 HOURS A DAY YOU ARE THE FAIL LOLZ"
Ballista Tournament
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Ballista Tournament
My torrent, I can do what I want.
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Valefor.Prothescar said: » I win. Goodnight The fact that you think discussions can have winners is pretty silly. Your personally opinion is flawed in that you think people who don't PVP are good at this game, then you are wrong. People who only play PvE are good at getting ***... but in the end everyone can get the same old ***. When it comes down to it, beating someone in PvP even with a job that isn't "tier 1" is 100x more satisfying and viewed by others as actually accomplishing something. You got an Apocalypse? Woopdyfreakingdo. So does 100 other people. But taking a DRK, a decent but deferentially not the best PvP job, and beating a RDM one of the best PvP jobs in the game, is note worthy. Why? Because not everyone can do it, and he has proven that using unique job combos with unique gear breaks down these barriers of "No one can beat a RDM." because, simply put... you can.
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RDM FTW, woot woot XD
I have a hard time believing anyone thinks that if you don't PvP you suck at FFXI.
Now if you say, "You don't PvP, you suck at PvP in FFXI," I could understand. Even, "You don't PvE, you suck at PvE in FFXI." But 98% of this game only PvE's, so PvP is pretty irrelevant except for a fun challenge.
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I just have a problem with people saying, "I'm the best PLD in the game." and then you say, "Oh wanna PVP?" And they say no... they aren't the best PLD. The pld with no relic/emp who actually accepts the challenge is better. That other person just doesn't want to risk losing face.
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Phoenix.Shiomi said: » I just have a problem with people saying, "I'm the best PLD in the game." and then you say, "Oh wanna PVP?" And they say no... they aren't the best PLD. The pld with no relic/emp who actually accepts the challenge is better. That other person just doesn't want to risk losing face. PVP isn't important sorry, and I would never judge a PLD based on whether or not they could PVP... This whole game is PVE based, that is a fact. I would love for SE to add some updates and balance PVP, and it would actually enhance the length of this games life imo, but it won't happen or hasn't yet.
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Pretty sure the reason people play this game is to develop there character to it's peak, or for story line. Neither of which have much to do with PvP.
So as you may not be the best PLD at PvP, you can still pretty easily say you're the best PLD in the game for what the game is. lol ive never won a PvP match stupid gear swap penalties i always forget lol
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Asura.Leonlionheart said: » Pretty sure the reason people play this game is to develop there character to it's peak, or for story line. Neither of which have much to do with PvP. So as you may not be the best PLD at PvP, you can still pretty easily say you're the best PLD in the game for what the game is. In reality, its the people who want to be awesome but simply discredit a system to hide how terrible they are, you're like the people who say Haste isn't godly and WHM's who cure in Relic pants. The problem is when people who don't PvP comment on it and live vicariously through snarky comments and act as if they know what they are talking about. If a person never PvP'd never talked about it and truly didn't care, never gave anyone ***about, then there is no problem. The entirety of the game, which is PvP and PvE. Just because Draylo is a too weak Blue Mage, who posts in my threads about PvP with stupid comments like 0/10. Then whenever its brought up skulks into the corner. Because the Paladin doesn't know that Diaga wipes shadows or that he has to do things besides auto afk burtgang/Aegis tank, seems to be his own problem. Can't be at your peak when you're losing to full perle, pink blu's and NINs! What kind of a peak is that, bottom of the barrel? You should want to be the best at both. And storyline, PvP does have a story if you want to get technical, and its place in the universe. In fact the storyline consisted of all three nations murdering each other before WotG begins, and Excenmille the Ballista quest NPC is a main character in the WotG Sandy story line. Derp. Well it's not like you're going to change your mind.
Probably just trying to get people to /nerdrage and come out and try PvP, even though they probably are the best at PvE. Either way, it's really stupid to think anyone is a bad player based on PvP outcomes. Asura.Leonlionheart said: » Well it's not like you're going to change your mind. Probably just trying to get people to /nerdrage and come out and try PvP, even though they probably are the best at PvE. Either way, it's really stupid to think anyone is a bad player based on PvP outcomes. I also think players are bad when they WS for ***, use stupid Atmas, and spam Cure IV instead of VI. I also think they are crap if they don't gear swap, don't try to cap haste during TP, and if they aren't using or working on Magian staves as BLM/SCH/Whatever. However I will concede to you, they are not a bad player. They are simply weak, and are limiting themselves.
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PVE and PVP are not connected. I know people who are good at PVE and absolutely suck at PVP. I know people who are good at PVP, would love them on my team every match, but wouldn't even bother taking them on a salvage run (at lv 95)
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As a Dark Knight I want to be perfect in PvP and PvE and have consummate mastery in both things, that's what I strive to do. It is about pushing your job to the max of its ability, collecting every item in the game is asinine.
The main issue is people mixing the spheres themselves, sitting on Jeuno acting the fool. When you could cut through their Aegis like butter. The truth of the matter is you know people who act like they are something special and would get downed easily and by people with 1/10th of what they possess. Usually these people are ***-talkers and you know who you are and who they are, and they are the source of the problem. This is the true problem. Anyone who is good or respectable at PvP can't bash PvE because that's how you get the gear to do your event,so these people are equally worthless. The problem goes both ways, and anyone who can't handle an lolsalvage run can't PvP, I'd brutalize them. Quote: The problem goes both ways, and anyone who can't handle an lolsalvage run can't PvP, I'd brutalize them. Not true at all, again, as I said, I know a good number of players who I'd take on my team in ballista every time, but would never come close to inviting them for anything involving PVE So they are going to PvP in their crap gear, because they can't handle events that require less coordination, skill, and are repetitive?
How are they possibly going to compete with somebody like me, what are they running around in starter gear and Bronze Axes? PvE is entirely necessary, if you can't do that simple task effectively then its hopeless. You as well as I both know you don't gear the same for PVE as you do PVP. They may have some great ballista sets, but may tp in askar and denali when it comes to pve stuff, have bad ws gear, etc.
So I'm supposed to be worried about a person who can't figure out a WS set?
Or would be too lazy to procure the necessary niche/end game items to defeat me in certain situations? I use a lot of the same gear I do in PvP that I do in PvE: AF2, A lot of my PDT set, Twilight, Bale, Grim + 1 (I'm sure Meikogai would be Amazing) End Game stuff is good stuff. Quote: PvE is entirely necessary, if you can't do that simple task effectively then its hopeless. I'm not saying these ppl can't do these things. I'm saying I'd never invite them. Turban vs Denali was never going to be a gamebreaking change or determine whether or not you win or lose at something (for example, if I took my old 75 set, replaced turban w/ denali, it wouldn't make me lose at everything I succeeded at), but just the fact that they wear denali over turban, I'd have considered them a sucky player. In the end mastering both will only improve you, its not a flawed system, there are ways around it, people are lazy and People want to be flawed because that is easy for them. Nothing is totally perfect but it is much more stable than it is given credit for.
Its not that I have a problem with PvE, I have a problem with PvE players acting like they PvP, instead of knowing their place. And PvP players acting like they are smart when they tell me to take out haste pieces for DA, that are lazy instead of knowing their place. Can we agree that these are the cases I am trying to philosophically avoid, and when they do occur, and the above say either: 1) I don't gear swap cuz its stupid, Store TP is gay, and I want to Melee in STR gear. 2) PvP is dumb (even though I opened my fat mouth), you're all weak, I'm the best derp a derp - gonna sit in Jeuno now and talk about the time I used Divine Seal to do 2x holy damage derp. To make fun of them. But none of this will change me, I'll be looking forward to fighting Excalibur/Aegis, Tizona's and Ryunohige's wherever I can find them. Quote: Its not that I have a problem with PvE, I have a problem with PvE players acting like they PvP, instead of knowing their place. Which is why I'm implying they are two completely different worlds, where as you're implying that you if you're good at PVP, you're also good at PVE, which isn't necessarily true (and a lot of the times isn't). Someone could buy a character w/ good gear and do absolutely nothing in the game, but ballista, and become fantastic at it. I knew a guy who did that, and he was awful.
Not that it really discounts what you're saying - just a memory of mine. If someone can manipulate their character into performing well in a team based event vs humans, they can easily do this versus the terrible AI that is FFXI PvE. Anywhere, everywhere, all the time. Quote: If someone can manipulate their character into performing well in a team based event vs humans, they can easily do this versus the terrible AI that is FFXI PvE. Anywhere, everywhere, all the time. But a lot of the time good strats won't work if people are undergeared. Again, you can have good pvp gear and not know how to gear for pve. Take that person who was wearing denali over turban. Now, he's rdm or blm. He can stun on time, he can sleep the exact second its needed, but he doesn't have the acc gear to land it. I will consider that person shitty and not worth taking to anything, but I can take them to pvp and their excellent timing on sleeps and stuns can decide whether or not my team just won that match. Take a good ballista whm, great w/ cures, great w/ buffs, great w/ -na spells, but take him out to pve and let's say they can't dig for elixirs and ethers all the time, have ***refresh gear, shitty cure% build, I'd take them in pvp again, but would not touch them w/ a 10 foot stick in pve You don't seem to understand what I'm saying.
You can't have good PvP gear without good PvE gear because it overlaps more than you realize, aside from resistance pieces. PvE gear is often good or the best PvP gear, Dark Rings, AF3+2, Empyreans, Magian Weapons, Voidwatch Bodies, Twilight Armor. Especially with the advent of Abyssea. I don't see how if they can't perform the easy task, they are going to be able to perform that hard one (PvP). They just sound lazy? You need the tools to get the job done, skill-wise they are okay but it sounds like if they are this intelligent they'd easily remedy the one thing holding them back. It doesn't overlap as much as you think. You can have great nuking gear, for example, and no mag acc gear and nuke the ***out of ppl in pvp and deal next to no damage in pve.
Players can't come close to the magic evasion of the mobs and NMs of PvE. There are plenty of people w/ AF3+2 and emps who suck in PvE due to other things but can still do well in PvP. Additionally, uncapped, while I find the most fun, isn't the end-all be all ballista. You can be shitty at lv 61+ PvE, including all endgame and still absolutely wreck ***in 60 cap Sylph.Tigerwoods said: » It doesn't overlap as much as you think. You can have great nuking gear, for example, and no mag acc gear and nuke the ***out of ppl in pvp and deal next to no damage in pve. Players can't come close to the magic evasion of the mobs and NMs of PvE. There are plenty of people w/ AF3+2 and emps who suck in PvE due to other things but can still do well in PvP. Additionally, uncapped, while I find the most fun, isn't the end-all be all ballista. You can be shitty at lv 61+ PvE, including all endgame and still absolutely wreck ***in 60 cap As far as nuking goes, empyrean pieces are the best with the set proc, the magic cast speed reduction, and the magic accuracy etc. Nothing really beats it. (Edit: Manawall enhancements) Using resist traits, yes you can. You can become nearly immune to the ailment of your choice, resistance is powerful. These people just sound lazy, and I fail to see how such incredibly intelligent and skilled players would be unable to form a three man group and attain much of what they need. Good luck finding a team who is going to all dress up in resist gear for 1 mage on the other team.
You'll have your resist person, but in a team match, most of the time, when someone hits sleepga, para, gravity or something else, it's gonna land on their target. 6 on 6? Hit a sleepga, you're gonna hit someone on that team, regardless. Have a sch do aoe paralyze, most of, if not all the targets are getting para'd, etc. If you're talking 1 on 1, it's more gear intensive yes, but I don't even consider that ballista, that's diorama in my eyes, lol Sylph.Tigerwoods said: » Good luck finding a team who is going to all dress up in resist gear for 1 mage on the other team. You'll have your resist person, but in a team match, most of the time, when someone hits sleepga, para, gravity or something else, it's gonna land on their target. 6 on 6? Hit a sleepga, you're gonna hit someone on that team, regardless. Have a sch do aoe paralyze, most of, if not all the targets are getting para'd, etc. If you're talking 1 on 1, it's more gear intensive yes, but I don't even consider that ballista, that's diorama in my eyes, lol I prefer to build my skill and ability to kill any job with any gear on DRK, on my own merits, and not the indiscernible merits of a team that is conveniently vague. Okay, find a large match, where everyone on your team is always gonna have poison up, lol
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