Mercy Stroke

You are correct about the fStr capping which I have neglected. That does devalue STR somewhat when fStr is capped.

fStr capped:

(100STR * 0.6) * 0.85 = 51 (WSC only)
51 * 4.0 = 204

Closer to a 1:2 ratio when fStr is capped.

It's always been the best DE/EV leg piece. I spent years and 3 servers chasing it :/

For Trick Attack with Thief main, the calculation is WD = ( D + fSTR + WSC) * fTP + AGI

WD = ( 49 + 13 + WSC) * 3.0 + AGI
WD = 186 + WSC*3.0 + AGI

WSC= STR*0.85*0.6
1STR=0.51WSC

1STR adds 1.5 to TRUE base damage of the weaponskill

Saying AGI adds to base damage of the weapon is ONLY VALID FOR TA NOT TA WEAPONSKILL which confuse a lot of ppl.

Weapon base damage in WS is D in "( D + fSTR + WSC)". IF AGI WOULD BE ADDED TO THAT D it would change everything in favor of AGI but it isn't. You can only say it adds to weapon base damage when non stacked with WS because it is simple (D+AGI)*pDIF then.


Some facts:
*outside Loki beats Heca body+1 unless you have augment with att and agi/str then they are pretty much equal (inside heca+1 is better)
*Heca+1 gloves destroys every other option especially with dagger skill+4 on top of 4% crit damage (inside and outside)
*Crudelis is obviously better than Warwolf for TAMercy and Beir belt+1 is obviously better than both even with low accuracy
*Ire torque+1 is also better obviously and even with low accuracy
*Might be a surprise but +4str earring actually beats brutal

heca gloves only for TA?

edit: derp, guess thats what you were saying

Yes all above is only valid for TA Mercy.

Thanks for the math!

I meant to link the 8 str subligar, for me the item set I quoted has the 8 str -10 acc subligar off carabosse. When I quote it it has hecatomb +1 though..idk.

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The Carabosse panties kinda got replaced by the Calmecac Subligar, but before that they were the best STR pants you could get on THF. I switched mine out once I got STR augment on my Heca+1

Some new STR gear out of the update:


Ocelomeh Harness (11 STR, 11 DEX, 2% 2A), it's HQ (12 STR, 12 DEX, 3% 2A), and what I presume is the HQ2 Toci's Harness (13 STR, 13 DEX, 10 Accuracy, 10 Attack, 3% 2A) make augmented Hecatomb Harness +1 obsolete.

Whirlwind Dirs (12 STR, 3% 2A) displaces Calmecac. Augmented Hct. Subligar +1 with STR probably still situational on flat Mercy, and of course great for Sneak Stack.

Justiciar Torque (4 STR, 15 Attack) may push with Ire Torque +1

Aife's Ring (5 STR, 5 Dagger Skill) may beat a Pyrosoul, not sure. Also generally a good ring for TP on high EVA mobs.

Tjukurrpa Belt (5 STR, 3% 2A) may push with Beir +1, but probably not.

anyone maf out these new items yet?

Significant DAT mining results:

Lv98 Belt: STR+9 Attack+25 Double Attack -5% (All jobs)
Denali Kecks +5: DEF47 STR+9 AGI +9 ATK+14 EVA+14 Haste+6

Hi all, this is what im currently looking at stacked for a WS set



Would the Cuau. Headpiece be a better option? I know it has 2 STR less but it does have the Dagger Skill +5. I know Heca Cap is the way to go but its being a pain in dropping.

Finally the nexk and belt. Im getting lots of contrasting views on this. Some swear by the gorget and the belt combo, Some say ele neck Beir +1 for waiste. And some out right disregard the ele gorget/belt and go Juusticier's Torque with Beir +1.

As for the Hands, would Heafoc Mitts be a better choice?

Unstacked Im considering replacing Loki's with Ocelomeh Harness. How does the Ocelomeh Harness compare to Heca Boday? Would any other piece need changing?

Any thoughts? upgrades? constructive criticism?

Thanks in advance!

Use Heafoc for TAWS and use raider's on saws. The "increases sneak attack damage" really is hard to beat in addition to the other stats. Keep aias until heca. I can't comment on neck and waist since ive only ever used ele neck/belt. Ocelm. is either equal or slightly better than heca harness. You can get attack, stp, dex augments on heca, but ocelm has more dex. For legs, I know heca subligar is problematic to get. There's also whirlwind dirs from VW (+12 str) and the upgraded denali legs if you are thinking about the future.

and im guessing if i get my hands on the AF+1 to use them instead of the Heafoc for TA?

Currently im going to be using:

Teutates Subligar
[Legs] All Races
DEF:34 STR+8 Accuracy-10 Evasion-10

How does the following compare to the above?

Asn. Culottes +2
[Legs] All Races
DEF:44 STR+5 DEX+5 Accuracy+10 Enmity+6 Enhances "Gilfinder" effect
LV 90 THF

And in saying with that how does the Pulines compare with Heca legs?

Mercy Stroke should only be used stacked so the -acc isn't really significant. In that respect, the 3 STR is far more important than 10 acc. 5 DEX could help when stacking, but I think that 3 STR probably helps more.

I'm assuming you are asking Poulaines compared to Leggings not legs as in Subligar. With augments especially, I can't imagine the Leggings losing.

yeah the leggings, thanks for input, guess i wont be upgrading thf legs after all. Hmmm almost upgraded them today lol

Then again i dont have Heca Legs yet heh but do want them

The AF2+2 legs look like an Evisceration piece, but N. Legs are far better at that. As mentioned previously, Denali Kecks +5 or Whirlwind Dirs are the next upgrades for Mercy pants.

Also looking at your set, I'd use Warwolf when stacking with Sneak Attack; the -7 DEX on Beir is pretty harsh and negates a lot of the gain from the 4 STR. Beir still probably wins, but ditching Beir probably gives you enough cash for Prosilio Belt, which is by far the top choice I think.

I'd use Ire Torque +1 or Justiciar Torque over Gorget as well.

Finishing my Mandau on New Years Eve it looks like, so I've got a question about WS choices.

SA: Mercy Stroke
SATA: Mercy Stroke
TA: Exenterator
Unstacked: Evis or Exen (I haven't maxed Exen and played with it unstacked yet.)

Look about right?

Should Mercy every chance you get.

Also, Athos legs will do better than Whirlwind Dirs if you go with a Prosilio belt. For back, you can use Vigilance mantle+1. That'll pretty much eliminate DA from your WS gear set besides any augments on the heca cap+1, so the penalty of the Prosilio belt would be eliminated, leaving you with a stupidly strong belt to WS in.

From there, pop RCB/Stalwarts/berserk against anything serious and you won't miss the atheling mantle at all.

OK speaking to some people that have mandau's they say Loki's is best for MS when stacked (with Sneak Atack).

So thought i ask here, how does the following stack from best to worst:

Toci, Ocelomeh (HQ/NQ), Heca Harness, Loki's.

And if possible if you could give a reason as to why ones better than the other even if brief would be much appreciated :)

Thanks

Having looked at Athos Legs, Raider's Cullottes +2 doesnt fall behind by much as an alternative for those that dont have it. From the stats it seems its losing 1% Crit hit rate but has the extra bit of dex as a trade off so they wuldnt be bad from face value. If im wrong please correct me (only way to learn right :P)

As for the Penalty tho a wasted slot simply keeping Brutal equipped would also nullify the -5DA.

As for the Vigilance mantle+1, would this be better than Cerb Mantle +1? Is 1STR and 5DEX better than ATK+15? (this be in or out of abyssea)

Athos legs have +4 crit damage on them also, which is why they're better.

As for as Mercy goes, according to my calculations anyways, +1str will increase your WS average about the same as +1DA. That said, I would care more for DA if we didn't already have naturally Triple Attack at an 11% rate, and the Assassin's Charge JA. When Triple Attack goes off, DA does absolutely nothing.

Lastly, to be honest, I go back and forth on the two backs all the time. Of course, Cerberus Mantle+1 will do better vs the strongest mobs, ie Tier6 VWNM, but Vigilance Mantle+1 will do better when you don't need the attack; and that's true more often than you think. With RCB/Stalwarts/Berserk up, my WS damage on most VWNMs matches, or comes close to matching, my WS numbers on Too Weak mobs. Really can't go wrong no matter which you decide to go with.

Also, according to my calculations, Loki > Ocelo HQ > Ocelo NQ > Heca Harness w/6dex

Toci and Athos body beats them all though, and which one comes out on top is highly situational. Athos will give more raw damage, but Toci has the +10atk/acc and +3DA and +3TA if you're using Ocelo head.

This should be more or less true. For once something on which we agree!

With Building Flourish added into the mix on DNC using Rudra's, I don't really see much difference between my max/min vs. TW/EPs and VWNMS at all.


Seconded.

Ya no doubt Toci or Athos would be supreme, but that's all dependant on how many logs wanna drop :P

As for the crit damage I must of missed that so my bad.

I'm really liking the belt tho so will look into picking one up. My main concern with MS is that unstacked it just doesn't hold up to exenterator outside aby or Evis inside aby.

Outside unstacked my MS do about 850-1100. Stacked they do much better. Would Ocelomeh be the way to go unstacked? Or should one stick to Exenterator for unstacked WS's?

Exenterator, or in Voidwatch, if you're forced to use an unstacked WS on THF, Evisceration should win out if you have Champion's Tonic's Potency effect active.

Never do MS unstacked.

Exenterator when your pdif is high, Evisceration otherwise.

You'd think this would be common sense, but apparently Mercy Stroke is a terrible weapon skill because it only does 2k unstacked while under the effects of a brew.

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