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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2011-03-14 23:42:41
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Bahamut.Dasva said:
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CNN is interviewing Yoko Ono now... <.< Because she was in Tokyo years ago during an earthquake... >.> Think I'm done watching that channel now.
What's wrong with Yoko Ono!?

She done nothing wrong!
She broke up the beatles!
Pft You weren't even alive then!
 
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-14 23:45:43
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Asura.Catastrophe said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
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The worldwide average background dose for a human being is about 2.4 millisievert (mSv) per year.[3] This exposure is mostly from cosmic radiation and natural radionuclides in the environment (including those within the body).
So its reading 80 millisievert per year?
Assuming that's what they are using for there "normal" lvls. Also think the NRC uses higher numbers.
Don't stay out there too long, bro. :|
It's ok. I stay inside alot and haven't been to a hospital in forever so my exposure is lower than most.
 
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-14 23:50:05
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Asura.Catastrophe said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Asura.Catastrophe said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
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Wikipedia said:
The worldwide average background dose for a human being is about 2.4 millisievert (mSv) per year.[3] This exposure is mostly from cosmic radiation and natural radionuclides in the environment (including those within the body).
So its reading 80 millisievert per year?
Assuming that's what they are using for there "normal" lvls. Also think the NRC uses higher numbers.
Don't stay out there too long, bro. :|
It's ok. I stay inside alot and haven't been to a hospital in forever so my exposure is lower than most.
Grab that SIPD and watch it cliiiiiiiiimb... ....

after a month...
Lol you should see the month I got 30ish mrem. People were freaking out since most people were only getting 2-3ish. But in the end it still wasn't anything.
 
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-14 23:54:25
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15 REM/hr crud-enladened valves were fun to dance around ._.
Dancing eh? Is that what the kids are calling it nowadays? Could've been worse. You could've been around for a reason discharge... or radiography. Omg that was fun after the accident. Entire parts of the boat unacessable for long periods of time just so they can figure out our dmg
 
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By Caitsith.Taazy 2011-03-14 23:59:37
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0454: A no-fly zone is set for 30km-radius over the Fukushima nuclear plant, the Kyodo news agency is quoting ministry officials as saying
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By Bismarck.Selka 2011-03-15 00:00:42
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Phoenix.Lucasta said:
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what does the zirconium alloy have to do with it? Is it some catalyst that reduces the temperature at which dissociation takes place? What temperature is that, by the way?

From wikipedia:

Zirconium alloy:
Zirconium alloy, or Zircaloy, has a high affinity to hydrogen; absorption of hydrogen leads to hydrogen embrittlement and may lead to local or total fuel element failure and release of hot particles.

Hydrogen embrittlement:
Hydrogen embrittlement is the process by which various metals, most importantly high-strength steel, become brittle and fracture following exposure to hydrogen. Hydrogen embrittlement is often the result of unintentional introduction of hydrogen into susceptible metals during forming or finishing operations.

Fuel Element Failure:
A fuel element failure is a rupture in a nuclear reactor's fuel cladding that allows the nuclear fuel or fission products in the form of dissolved radioisotopes or hot particles to enter the reactor coolant or storage water.

So in other words, introduction of hydrogen into this environment where you have exposed zircaloy is probably not desirable. there was no mention on wiki of any required temperatures. But we are talking about the internal structures of nuclear containment vessels nad nuclear reactor fuel cells and rods, so you can be damn sure any required temperature will be satified.

>,> I wasn't asking how hydrogen affects the rods.

My point is, the BBC is saying that zircaloy reacts with the steam to generate hydrogen and oxygen gases. This doesn't sound right to me; I would think that high temperatures alone would cause the dissociation.

I can understand that having the rods exposed will lead to higher temperatures in the pressure chamber, thusly providing the right conditions for dissociation. But if so, why would they word it so horribly? ; ; I think they screwed up.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-15 00:06:55
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If you are absorbing hydrogen you are effectively taking some of solution. Stressing the reaction. So in order to find an equilibrium more will dissociate.


Also just as the zircalloy absorbs hydrogen it will also release it. That's actually a large part of the reason why we ease in and out of certain temperature bands. To slow down how fast it is absorbed and released to minimize the stress. If we just operated at full power all the hydrogen absorbed wouldn't really be a problem at all.

I'm a little rusty so can't go into the specific temps and such but you get the picture.
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By Phyrexius 2011-03-15 03:52:49
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Japanese criminals (aka Government to the slave class) just issued "Article 15" attempting a cover up.

Nikkei drops nearly 20%.

The lolCONspiracy Theorists out there thinking nothing bad will ever happen to them continue their lives, uninformed and unprepared~

Not a Prophet, just informed...
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-03-15 03:55:00
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Japanese criminals (aka Government to the slave class) just issued "Article 15" attempting a cover up.

Nikkei drops nearly 20%.

The lolCONspiracy Theorists out there thinking nothing bad will ever happen to them continue their lives, uninformed and unprepared~

Not a Prophet, just informed...

/sigh what are they trying to cover up this time? The Illuminati created an earthquake machine I assume.
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By Sylph.Beelshamen 2011-03-15 04:55:36
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If a 9.0 earthquake and a 30+ foot tsunami directly striking a ~50 year old last-gen nuclear plant doesn't result in a full-blown massive disaster, it's pretty hard to argue that nuclear energy isn't relatively safe.

I'd like to see any other facility on this planet hold up to that.


The problem is that "the worst case scenario" isn't the worst case scenario with regards to safety to the nuclear plants.

I heard these plants are built, even today, with "less than a million chance" of it failing, or a meltdown, as you will.

They really need to reassas that standard, because it's clearly an unjustified assumption.
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By Ifrit.Bloodbathboy 2011-03-15 04:57:36
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I just wish the people of Japan the best!!
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-03-15 05:05:35
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Reactor Number 4 is having issues now, it seems like it's just being used to store waste fuel. Need moar Davsa commentary.

Actual post, I'm too tired to disseminate stuff right now.

BBC said:
A Japanese nuclear safety official has confirmed reports that the water inside the waste fuel storage pool for the number 4 Fukushima reactor may be boiling, AP reports. Hidehiko Nishiyama refused to comment on the potential risks from the rising temperatures caused by a failure of cooling systems and said the plant's operator was considering what to do about theproblem.

How is it, that this situation has steadily decayed over time?
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2011-03-15 07:48:39
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Shiva.Flionheart said:
Phyrexius said:
Japanese criminals (aka Government to the slave class) just issued "Article 15" attempting a cover up.

Nikkei drops nearly 20%.

The lolCONspiracy Theorists out there thinking nothing bad will ever happen to them continue their lives, uninformed and unprepared~

Not a Prophet, just informed...

/sigh what are they trying to cover up this time? The Illuminati created an earthquake machine I assume.
More Alex Jones *** as usual. He doesn't even try to quote other conspiracy theorists, just the same one over and over again.

Also the article he put up is about the price of oil reaching $200 a barrel. Not sure what that has to do with the Japanese.

Only thing I can think of is he's implying that the whole nuclear power plants disasters are a ploy to get people hooked onto to oil. Sounds far fetched.
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1000: A Japanese nuclear safety official has confirmed reports that the water inside the waste fuel storage pool for the number 4 Fukushima reactor may be boiling, AP reports. Hidehiko Nishiyama refused to comment on the potential risks from the rising temperatures caused by a failure of cooling systems and said the plant's operator was considering what to do about theproblem
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1038: The radiation dosages of up to 400 millisieverts per hour recorded at the Fukushima plant "are levels that you have to take very seriously indeed to ensure you avoid immediate health effects", Professor Richard Wakeford from the Dalton Nuclear Institute at the University of Manchester tells the BBC World Service. He says Japanese authorities will be imposing a ban on food and drink from the area and issuing iodine tablets to block the intake of radioactive iodine from the thyroid.
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1353: A reminder also that a fake text message claiming to be from the BBC has been circulating in Asia warning people of radiation leaks. This is nothing to do with the BBC so if you have received it, please ignore it and follow advice from your local authorities
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1355: The US military has detected low levels of radiation at its Yokosuka base, south of Tokyo, Reuters reports

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1359: The US Army has recommended that personnel and families at the base - and at the Atsugi air base - take precautions, says Reuters.
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By Caitsith.Taazy 2011-03-15 10:34:23
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1430: The US Navy says more of its personnel are testing positive for low-level radiation, but its relief efforts will continue, Reuters reports

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1439: A 30km (18 mile) no-fly zone is in place around Fukushima, says the IAEA.

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1456: Tepco says it may start pouring water from a helicopter over Fukushima Daiichi's reactor four in the next few days, to cool the spent-fuel pool
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2011-03-15 12:29:12
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1708: Rebuilding the damage to Japan could take half a decade, according to one World Bank expert. "Reconstruction after the 1995 Kobe earthquake in Japan took a bit less than five years, I would expect reconstruction here to last five years," Abhas Jha said, according to Reuters.
Why is it that it takes Michigan 2 years to fix a small piece of road by my house and Japan 5 years to fix such a large part of their country?
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1708: Rebuilding the damage to Japan could take half a decade, according to one World Bank expert. "Reconstruction after the 1995 Kobe earthquake in Japan took a bit less than five years, I would expect reconstruction here to last five years," Abhas Jha said, according to Reuters.
Why is it that it takes Michigan 2 years to fix a small piece of road by my house and Japan 5 years to fix such a large part of their country?


<----Lived in Mi many years and still just 10 mins from boarder.

UNIONS, STATE CONTRACTED UNIONS.

I have friends who work for unions and have even been threatened to loose their jobs if they work do fast or preform work out side of their job description.
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By Caitsith.Neonracer 2011-03-15 13:05:28
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Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
I'm having a hard time listening to CNN.

They've got anchors saying the government has been "inconsistent" in its reports, and is thus unreliable. As proof, they say the government reported things were under control yesterday, but then they just had a news conference about a new explosion where they said the situation may have gotten worse!

I'm left wondering what, precisely, they would prefer.

Some douche with a giant touchscreen then proceeded to finger-paint a circle around a Google Maps picture of entirely the wrong reactor, the wrong containment level on a reactor diagram, and incorrectly reported the evacuation area had been "increased" to 20km when it's already been there for days.

So that's where the mass confusion and this is where mass hysteria starts to hit.. confusion, b/c the news is incorrectly reporting the news to the world. Unbelieveable.

On a side note I was looking at the Chernobyl links on Wiki, and Japan , now , as well as TMI, and It also linked the Movie, that was played back in the early 1980's ( was 1979) called The China Syndrome

Might even see if I can Dl and watch it, or Rent it. Looks to be interesting.

btw just woke up ppl, good afternoon...
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Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
CNN: "They're giving us numbers about radiation but they're meaningless without further information, and more experts on-hand to tell us what they actually mean."

If only there were an entire country of nuclear engineers back home that they could consult!

Unfortunately, they seem to have spent all of their budget on slick chrome-plated computer transition graphics proclaiming nuclear armageddon, and making sure Anderson Cooper's hair is adequately shiny while he climbs over tsunami debris.

Jaerik, your reports have been making some of us at the Auction house site, get more aquainted with whats going on, but this other stuff, regarding Anderson Cooper, really? Lame reporting from the news imo.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek 2011-03-15 13:10:02
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Caitsith.Neonracer said:
Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
I'm having a hard time listening to CNN.

They've got anchors saying the government has been "inconsistent" in its reports, and is thus unreliable. As proof, they say the government reported things were under control yesterday, but then they just had a news conference about a new explosion where they said the situation may have gotten worse!

I'm left wondering what, precisely, they would prefer.

Some douche with a giant touchscreen then proceeded to finger-paint a circle around a Google Maps picture of entirely the wrong reactor, the wrong containment level on a reactor diagram, and incorrectly reported the evacuation area had been "increased" to 20km when it's already been there for days.

So that's where the mass confusion and this is where mass hysteria starts to hit.. confusion, b/c the news is incorrectly reporting the news to the world. Unbelieveable.

On a side note I was looking at the Chernobyl links on Wiki, and Japan , now , as well as TMI, and It also linked the Movie, that was played back in the early 1980's ( was 1979) called The China Syndrome

Might even see if I can Dl and watch it, or Rent it. Looks to be interesting.

btw just woke up ppl, good afternoon...
Just know that The China Syndrome is Hollywood, so get your salt shaker.
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By Caitsith.Neonracer 2011-03-15 13:11:35
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Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
Titan.Prefalin said:
sad thing is my politics teacher makes us use them for our news journal articles along with lolNPR...
In their defense, at least they're reporting what tries to be straight-up news, even if they're coming up short.

Fox and MSNBC seem to already be neck-deep in figuring out how the whole thing is the Republicans' or Democrats' fault.

Really???? HA HA HA... makes me wonder what Canada's stand point on all of us.. from what I know, were just trying to scramble alot of aid over to Japan asap. Not sure if were pointing fingers, as we just seem to be a supporting nation, and sit in the back seat..
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Quetzalcoatl.Zeldageek said:
Caitsith.Neonracer said:
Lakshmi.Jaerik said:
I'm having a hard time listening to CNN.

They've got anchors saying the government has been "inconsistent" in its reports, and is thus unreliable. As proof, they say the government reported things were under control yesterday, but then they just had a news conference about a new explosion where they said the situation may have gotten worse!

I'm left wondering what, precisely, they would prefer.

Some douche with a giant touchscreen then proceeded to finger-paint a circle around a Google Maps picture of entirely the wrong reactor, the wrong containment level on a reactor diagram, and incorrectly reported the evacuation area had been "increased" to 20km when it's already been there for days.

So that's where the mass confusion and this is where mass hysteria starts to hit.. confusion, b/c the news is incorrectly reporting the news to the world. Unbelieveable.

On a side note I was looking at the Chernobyl links on Wiki, and Japan , now , as well as TMI, and It also linked the Movie, that was played back in the early 1980's ( was 1979) called The China Syndrome

Might even see if I can Dl and watch it, or Rent it. Looks to be interesting.

btw just woke up ppl, good afternoon...
Just know that The China Syndrome is Hollywood, so get your salt shaker.


Oh Yea I know.. Hollywood can make alot of ***up.. but just sayin.
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By Caitsith.Neonracer 2011-03-15 13:13:46
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Here is so far some news from Sympatico.ca on what CTV's putting their spin on it...

CTV News Canada spin on things
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