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 Bahamut.Dasva
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-12 17:36:39
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Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said:
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BWRs can't physically do that because they function on a Negative Temperature Coefficient of Reactivity because reactor power is based on steam demand, not at Rod pullout. The hotter water is, the more expanded molecules become, harder for fission to occur. There is no graphite being used at all, which accelerates neutron flux.
wat Christ, you know a lot about this stuff.

You a physicist, engineer, something?
Required learning in the navy nuke program. Even for the non reactor operator types. How else would you get the public to trust someone straight out of HS with no college to run a reactor?
 
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2011-03-12 17:39:15
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Bahamut.Dasva said:

Required learning in the navy nuke program. Even for the non reactor operator types. How else would you get the public to trust someone straight out of HS with no college to run a reactor?

Generally not making a big deal out of it works, and if it comes to light the age old "If you complain, the terrorists win!"

Taking a shot at the public, not you, for the record.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kanjirou 2011-03-12 17:42:49
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On the other hand water moderators work the oposite since as density goes down moderation will go down reducing power so it balances out.

That's freaking brilliant. Whoever came up with that was very clever.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-12 17:42:59
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Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said:
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Required learning in the navy nuke program. Even for the non reactor operator types. How else would you get the public to trust someone straight out of HS with no college to run a reactor?
Generally not making a big deal out of it works, and if it comes to light the age old "If you complain, the terrorists win!"


Taking a shot at the public, not you, for the record.
I don't think you understand just how much Navy especially the nuclear power program policies are determined what if PR situations.

Along the lines of proving we are competent I spent a good 100+ hours a month documenting and presenting sending the 1 hour of training we did a week and the monthly test in a way that would "prove" we were compenent but that I made things hard enough that we were clearly trying to improve or some BS.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-12 17:44:41
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Quetzalcoatl.Kanjirou said:
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On the other hand water moderators work the oposite since as density goes down moderation will go down reducing power so it balances out.
That's freaking brilliant. Whoever came up with that was very clever.
Works out really good since the water also is used to reflect neutrons back in and transfer heat to eventually make power... though liquid sodium transfers heat so much better... graphite moderates way better etc. But everything has it's pros and cons
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2011-03-12 17:45:08
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Bahamut.Dasva said:
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Required learning in the navy nuke program. Even for the non reactor operator types. How else would you get the public to trust someone straight out of HS with no college to run a reactor?
Generally not making a big deal out of it works, and if it comes to light the age old "If you complain, the terrorists win!"


Taking a shot at the public, not you, for the record.
I don't think you understand just how much Navy especially the nuclear power program policies are determined what if PR situations.

Along the lines of proving we are competent I spent a good 100+ hours a month documenting and presenting sending the 1 hour of training we did a week and the monthly test in a way that would "prove" we were compenent but that I made things hard enough that we were clearly trying to improve or some BS.

That's really interesting, actually.

Honestly, not many people ever really realize just how much great technology comes out of the armed forces.
 
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By Caitsith.Taazy 2011-03-12 17:51:46
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2318: US nuclear experts warn that pumping sea water to cool a quake-hit Japanese nuclear reactor is an "act of desperation" that may foreshadow a Chernobyl-like disaster, AFP reports. "The situation has become desperate enough that they apparently don't have the capability to deliver fresh water or plain water to cool the reactor and stabilise it, and now, in an act of desperation, are having to resort to diverting and using sea water," said Robert Alvarez, who works on nuclear disarmament at the Institute for Policy Studies
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By Caitsith.Taazy 2011-03-12 17:52:30
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2326: The Japanese cabinet secretary, Yukio Edano, has been speaking on state TV. He said the third reactor at the Fukushima No. I plant was in danger but attempts were under way for a controlled release of air
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-12 17:52:43
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I believe the first Reactor Plant Manual was no bigger than a small handbook. Since 1946, it's become as large and the Britannica |: So lots of trials and errors.
Pretty much. And alot of testing and what ifs that get added. Having been the guy who puts in all the changes I actually ended up reading alot on it that most people never even knew about. That and I got bored on watch alot. And our XO used to be NRRO so would always try to test peoples knowledge lol
 
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-12 17:59:14
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Ewwwwww... NRROooo..............

BOO! HISS!
Hey it was him being NRRO and me keeping up with him when our JOs and sometimes even our Eng couldn't keep up with him that finally got me qualified. Since I impressed him enough that he basically chewed out my chief until he agreed to finally finish my 6 month long interview...
 
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By Caitsith.Taazy 2011-03-12 18:02:13
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2352: The US navy's 7th Fleet is assisting with the rescue operation off the coast. A spokesman, Commander Jeff Davies, outlined the fleet's grim task for the BBC: "We have three destroyers that have joined the other two ships in (USS) Ronald Reagan's battle group and are conducting at-sea searches of the debris field. A tremendous amount of debris was washed out to sea following the tsunami and they're going to go through it very carefully and very methodically to make sure that if there are any survivors out there they are rescued, and likewise if there are any human remains that those are recovered."
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kanjirou 2011-03-12 18:02:57
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Asura.Catastrophe said:
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On the other hand water moderators work the oposite since as density goes down moderation will go down reducing power so it balances out.

That's freaking brilliant. Whoever came up with that was very clever.

Well credit to standardizing PWRs on Naval Vessels go to Admiral Hyman G. Rickover

*** nut job. Haha.

Do you know where I could find some reading on these different designs? I'm especially intrigued by these different types of moderators.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-12 18:06:06
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Quetzalcoatl.Kanjirou said:
Do you know where I could find some reading on these different designs? I'm especially intrigued by these different types of moderators.
I'm sure wiki could tell you... or google searches. Alot of power companies have some info on there particular plants etc.
 
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By Phoenix.Ingraham 2011-03-12 18:23:55
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Let's hope no one abuses this.

Already seen a "LOL HE'S DEAD" joke for Kentaro Miura of Berserk.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-12 18:24:21
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Ewww direct sea water injection and chemical shutdown... guess they really are worried. Well that reactor is useless now lol
Brick'ed!

$11 billion paperweight haha.
Americans still be trying to save it :P

At least they can get a new fancy one built.
Not cost efficient to save it after that. Chemical shutdown is kinda a last resort since it works really good and it takes alot to get it running again. Like trying to wash out all the boron forever. The seawater is just corriding the *** out of systems meant to last forever. They'd pretty much have to replace all that. At which point probably better off just getting a new one
 
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-12 18:48:54
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Well if they just packing it up and sealing it not as bad as if they were actually cleaning and recovering. From a personel standpoint
 
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-12 18:59:08
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Well if they just packing it up and sealing it not as bad as if they were actually cleaning and recovering. From a personel standpoint
Part of me feels like it would be such a waste though. There's a lot of auxiliary equipment that can be salvaged so I guess it really just needs assessing because the other reactors there are still operational.
Yeah but with that kind of contimination clean up of the equipment usually involves sending people in full contained air tight suits with if they are lucky force fed air as ***gets hot if not some kind of tanks. Stay times and such. A few years ago one of the carriers up here cleaned up the RC after discovering a long time leak... it was pretty intense and someone even passed out from the heat lol. Even then the whole plant will have tons of hot spots all over... sometimes it's just better to call it quits. Unless you are the military then your pride wont let you
 
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kanjirou 2011-03-12 19:20:45
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Reading about this stuff, it seems so insane that reactors were ever designed with positive void coefficients, like at Chernobyl. I mean, c'mon, wtf were they thinking. That's just asking for problems.
 
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