Shiva.Gylfie said:
Religion does not exist in my personal world, therefore it does not exist at all.
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Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: Gylfie, you Jewish? Cerberus.Zandra said: Shiva.Gylfie said: Religion does not exist in my personal world, therefore it does not exist at all. /bait? <No Thanks> Shiva.Gylfie said: Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: Gylfie, you Jewish? Andylynn said: Shiva.Gylfie said: Ifrit.Kungfuhustle said: Gylfie, you Jewish? Andylynn said: and you'd be ok if i just claimed you were a dumbass racist chink, based of the prejudice/presumptions based on what you're giving me here? im ok to have this opinion and use derogatory statements because its part of the 'human experience?' lets examine everything wrong with this statement: 1. implying you are asian based on game name/avatar 2. implying you are racist because you approve of racism 3. implying you are unintelligent because you have a different opinion it isn't "chasticize the human experience of others because you don't understand moral relativity," it's called having some class and decency. you can go around saying to yourself every racist term in the book in your head as people walk by, but the instant you do it verbally, you're just a plain bigot. You said it should be illegal. I'm just pointing out that you're *** HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. Also, I would think you're an idiot for making that statement. That's my right; to think you're a retard. Just like it's your right to think I'm a chinko commy ***.
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Sadly these folks hide behind our constitution to essentially "get away with murder" if you will. However, it's only a matter of time before they step over the line and get themselves in serious trouble with feds, or (preferably) the latter: Someone gets fed up with their ***and starts something. Sadly if it turns out violent, they'll have to take the fall for shutting those fools up, but it'll be a start.
Hopefully if it does come down to that, we'll see some restrictions on the first amendment revolving around time, place, and manner so things like this and groups like Westboro don't happen again. I couldn't disagree more strongly with Westboro, but I also couldn't agree more strongly with the Supreme Court decision.
Living in a country with freedom of speech means you have to put up with ***like this. (It also means you're free to scream right back at them.) It's not like they're actually changing anyone's minds with that crap.
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Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: Andylynn said: and you'd be ok if i just claimed you were a dumbass racist chink, based of the prejudice/presumptions based on what you're giving me here? im ok to have this opinion and use derogatory statements because its part of the 'human experience?' lets examine everything wrong with this statement: 1. implying you are asian based on game name/avatar 2. implying you are racist because you approve of racism 3. implying you are unintelligent because you have a different opinion it isn't "chasticize the human experience of others because you don't understand moral relativity," it's called having some class and decency. you can go around saying to yourself every racist term in the book in your head as people walk by, but the instant you do it verbally, you're just a plain bigot. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Libel_and_slander refer back to my obama example: Quote: The Supreme Court ruled in Gertz v. Robert Welch, Inc. 418 U.S. 323 (1974), opinions could not be considered defamatory. It is, therefore, permissible to suggest, for instance, that someone is a bad lawyer, but not permissible to declare falsely that the lawyer is ignorant of the law: the former constitutes a statement of values, but the latter is a statement alleging a fact. the instant you start claiming being gay is detrimental to the person, society, etc in general, you're breaking the law, and violating your belooved first amendment. hey, guess what comes after the First Amendment?
THE SECOND! shoot those ***... Luckily for me, the island is like the wild *** west. ***like that happened, you best believe there will be an asskicking or a shoot-out. That's not how libel works. At all.
Libel is making provably false factual claims about a person in order to do monetary damage. (Ex: "Don't Drink Coke, Its Secret Ingredient is Puppies.") It is not criminal, it merely allows the person to sue you in court for the monetary damages you inflicted via the falsehood in terms of company or individual reputation, etc. You don't get to sue someone for defamation or for libel for saying something about you that you don't like. And there are many, many exceptions: "public figures" (politicians, celebrities, etc) don't get to sue people for either because they're seen as "asking for it" by nature of their profession.
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Trust me, I know all about the legalities of libel and defamation by now.
Users send us shrieking PM's threatening to sue each other, the site, me personally, or whatever on a nearly weekly basis. Lakshmi.Jaerik said: Trust me, I know all about the legalities of libel and defamation by now. Users send us shrieking PM's threatening to sue each other, the site, me personally, or whatever on a nearly weekly basis. Valefor.Slipispsycho said: Lakshmi.Jaerik said: Trust me, I know all about the legalities of libel and defamation by now. Users send us shrieking PM's threatening to sue each other, the site, me personally, or whatever on a nearly weekly basis. Lakshmi.Jaerik said: Trust me, I know all about the legalities of libel and defamation by now. Users send us shrieking PM's threatening to sue each other, the site, me personally, or whatever on a nearly weekly basis. Prior to that knowledge, I'd imagine it would be rather disheartening to receive messages like that on such a regular basis. However, after knowing the ropes of law revolving around such things, I bet it gives a good chuckle these days. Smile and nod~ How exactly do they think they can sue you? It's not like you are making the statements that are getting them all up in arms. Even if there was grounds for law suit it's not like you would be accountable
And why would they tell you they are suing someone else lol? Bahamut.Dasva said: How exactly do they think they can sue you? It's not like you are making the statements that are getting them all up in arms. And why would they tell you they are suing someone else lol? I really cannot imagine a day in the life of Jaerik. It must be so full of sighing and facepalming.
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Lakshmi.Jaerik said: That's not how libel works. At all. Libel is making provably false factual claims about a person in order to do monetary damage. (Ex: "Don't Drink Coke, It's Secret Ingredient is Puppies.") It is not criminal, it merely allows the person to sue you in court for the monetary damages you inflicted via the falsehood in terms of company or individual reputation, etc. You don't get to sue someone for defamation or for libel for saying something about you that you don't like. And there are many, many exceptions: "public figures" (politicians, celebrities, etc) don't get to sue people for either because they're seen as "asking for it" by nature of their profession. Not only that, but in order to prove your case you need to demonstrate undeniably that harm was caused by the statements, that the person knew the statements were false, that the person knew it would cause you said harm, and that they did so with the intent to cause you that harm. Its (thankfully) a very tough battle. Well the person doesn't neccessarily have to know it was false more... ignorance is not an allowable offense. Purposefully spreading stuff without a reasonable belief that it is true is just as damning
Artemicion said: Hopefully if it does come down to that, we'll see some restrictions on the first amendment revolving around time, place, and manner so things like this and groups like Westboro don't happen again. Drjones said: Artemicion said: Hopefully if it does come down to that, we'll see some restrictions on the first amendment revolving around time, place, and manner so things like this and groups like Westboro don't happen again. Because you watch Fox News. Drjones said: Artemicion said: Hopefully if it does come down to that, we'll see some restrictions on the first amendment revolving around time, place, and manner so things like this and groups like Westboro don't happen again.
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The constitution's amendments were vague on purpose. They're meant to be open to interpretation, molded and shaped as the years pass and standards of living change, as they have for over 50 years.
To honestly hold yourself and everyone strictly to what it says word for word is pretty foolish, and things would be significantly more *** up than they are now, I can assure you. Artemicion said: Drjones said: Artemicion said: Hopefully if it does come down to that, we'll see some restrictions on the first amendment revolving around time, place, and manner so things like this and groups like Westboro don't happen again. Because you watch Fox News. Artemicion said: Drjones said: Artemicion said: Hopefully if it does come down to that, we'll see some restrictions on the first amendment revolving around time, place, and manner so things like this and groups like Westboro don't happen again. Because you watch Fox News. LOL-ed Drjones said: Artemicion said: Drjones said: Artemicion said: Hopefully if it does come down to that, we'll see some restrictions on the first amendment revolving around time, place, and manner so things like this and groups like Westboro don't happen again. Because you watch Fox News. When it becomes counter productive and goes against fundamental human principles and rights, yeah, to a degree, I do. It's funnier because I hate Fox News just as much as the next guy.
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