Ragnarok.Blindphleb said:
Bahamut.Jetackuu said:
government should fear it's people, the people shouldn't fear the government, just sayin'
WikiLeaks: Patriotic, Unpatriotic?
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WikiLeaks: Patriotic, Unpatriotic?
I hate people wearing that damn V for Vendetta mask.
I also hate Guy Fawkes night. Do you Americans celebrate that? Shiva.Flionheart said: I hate people wearing that damn V for Vendetta mask. I also hate Guy Fawkes night. Do you Americans celebrate that? the mask is a little silly. I personally have never known anyone here to celebrate it, but that movie got quite the cult following. Ah cool, I was wondering if it was a British only thing. Basically we watch a straw effigy burn on a giant bonfire. Then we eat hot dogs and watch fireworks for an hour.
Leviathan.Chaosx said: Carbuncle.Sevourn said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: The problem with this is not what the documents contain, but is it right to release any secret documents from the gov't? It's one thing to blow the whistle on the actions of a company, another thing to release items the gov't doesn't want the public to see, regardless of it's content. Don't forgot about the blatantly treason of taking such docs, despite their lack of security guarding them. i say the treason is in the signing statements the treason is in the TSA repeal of our fourth amendment rights the treason is in the wiretaps it's a two way street Lol I'm trying to think of the way to word this... The guy took the documents that he had no right to. It's theft is it not? But yeah definitely what you said applies, so until the gov't straightens out, this type of thing will happen. Civil disobedience has a purpose. The guy that took the documents is surely a thief. George Washington was surely a traitor. Just because something is a law does not mean that those who break the law are always wrong. However, that type of thinking suspends the rule of law which usually destabilizes your environment (think revolution war, civil war, civil rights movement, etc.).
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Shiva.Flionheart said: I hate people wearing that damn V for Vendetta mask. I also hate Guy Fawkes night. Do you Americans celebrate that? Ragnarok.Blindphleb said: The guy that took the documents is surely a thief. George Washington was surely a traitor. bam! much better example than i came up with Ragnarok.Blindphleb said: When a government has become corrupt to a certain degree, the people that live under that government have a duty if not a right to correct the problem. Civil disobedience has a purpose. The guy that took the documents is surely a thief. George Washington was surely a traitor. Just because something is a law does not mean that those who break the law are always wrong. However, that type of thinking suspends the rule of law which usually destabilizes your environment (think revolution war, civil war, civil rights movement, etc.). Ragnarok.Blindphleb said: However, that type of thinking suspends the rule of law which usually destabilizes your environment (think revolution war, civil war, civil rights movement, etc.). that's true. blacks were willing to cause some instability to get rights they felt they should have i'm willing that there should be should be some instability so that i can get some of my rights back, i'm attached to them Shiva.Flionheart said: I hate people wearing that damn V for Vendetta mask. I also hate Guy Fawkes night. Do you Americans celebrate that? Is that a good thing?
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: Shiva.Flionheart said: I hate people wearing that damn V for Vendetta mask. I also hate Guy Fawkes night. Do you Americans celebrate that? Is that a good thing? well, i thought v for vendetta was a very good movie not so keen on masks as fashion statement Carbuncle.Sevourn said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Shiva.Flionheart said: I hate people wearing that damn V for Vendetta mask. I also hate Guy Fawkes night. Do you Americans celebrate that? Is that a good thing? well, i thought v for vendetta was a very good movie not so keen on masks as fashion statement I sorta passed out during V, so I don't remember it much. I don't remember much of V for Vendetta either. It bored me, and I'm pretty sure I nodded off during it.
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movie was pretty cool, don't like that they ignore a few key notes of the original event though...
It's definitely one of those movies where if you don't get like a 20min explanation about why the people are dressed and act funny you're lost from the start.
though i dont 100% agree everything should be disclosed about america secret stuff, because of national security and defense... there is a right to give the public information
Shiva.Flionheart said: I hate people wearing that damn V for Vendetta mask. I also hate Guy Fawkes night. Do you Americans celebrate that? It didn't start happening until the whole 4chan anon thing started to take up momentum. i got mine in 06 before it was overly popularized. sold it to a newbie btard for 10 times the amount i paid for it. Carbuncle.Sevourn said: Ragnarok.Blindphleb said: Ragnarok.Zanno said: This subject was banned from this forum by mods :( I have just had several patients comment one way on the issue and wanted to see what others out there thought about it. not the subject just don't post any of the illegally obtained info Lakshmi.Jaerik said: It's like our stance on copyright policy. Our ideology is irrelevant. This site isn't a full time job for any of us and so we're not going to use it as some legal hilltop battleground to die on. Idk I'm going to have to give the Freedom of Information Act a good read otherwise I would only know what I'm talking about from examples.
Asura.Catastrophe said: I'm more worried about the causality to other governments, moreso than the US. But, really my opinion is split on this. It really depends on what is kept secret. For example, I wouldn't want my military spilling its gameplan all over the place to other countries in the middle of operations. It's not like it's military intelligence directly or top secret gov't plans. So in this case it's not detrimental to national security, but what happens when it is? Asura.Catastrophe said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Asura.Catastrophe said: I'm more worried about the causality to other governments, moreso than the US. But, really my opinion is split on this. It really depends on what is kept secret. For example, I wouldn't want my military spilling its gameplan all over the place to other countries in the middle of operations. It's not like it's military intelligence directly or top secret gov't plans. So in this case it's not detrimental to national security, but what happens when it is? Could it be considered an act of War? Those who violate security by leaking this kind of information need to be prosecuted. I took my oaths seriously when in the service and have only contempt for those who violated theirs.
Government should fear the people, but people shouldn't violate security regulations. There are items that the government does need to keep secret. Imagine D-Day if wiki leaks existed and someone had posted the plans! Flame on! I'm wearing my asbestos underwear!
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Asura.Catastrophe said: Who draws that line? It's pretty subjective. Asura.Catastrophe said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Asura.Catastrophe said: Leviathan.Chaosx said: Asura.Catastrophe said: I'm more worried about the causality to other governments, moreso than the US. But, really my opinion is split on this. It really depends on what is kept secret. For example, I wouldn't want my military spilling its gameplan all over the place to other countries in the middle of operations. It's not like it's military intelligence directly or top secret gov't plans. So in this case it's not detrimental to national security, but what happens when it is? Could it be considered an act of War? Well treason is only if said individual is a US citizen, like usually the leaker is. The guy facilitating Wikileaks is Swedish. Edit: Sorry Australian. :P He's wanted in Sweden. Silly me. Edit: I keep think sweedish too, but that's because of his international arrest warrant, lol. Asura.Emoneaone said: Those who violate security by leaking this kind of information need to be prosecuted. I took my oaths seriously when in the service and have only contempt for those who violated theirs. Government should fear the people, but people shouldn't violate security regulations. There are items that the government does need to keep secret. Imagine D-Day if wiki leaks existed and someone had posted the plans! Flame on! I'm wearing my asbestos underwear! Asura.Emoneaone said: Those who violate security by leaking this kind of information need to be prosecuted. I took my oaths seriously when in the service and have only contempt for those who violated theirs. Government should fear the people, but people shouldn't violate security regulations. There are items that the government does need to keep secret. Imagine D-Day if wiki leaks existed and someone had posted the plans! Flame on! I'm wearing my asbestos underwear! I'd imagine it might be kind of itchy :/ abrasive undergarments doesn't seem to be a good idea. |
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