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December update belongs to SCH
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-12-01 15:27:25
why is everybody saying that war is super fantastic awesome all the sudden? what in this new 86-90 update did that exactly? cuz the only ability i see for war, is a 30s buff...thats AoE
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2010-12-01 15:28:35
Ifrit.Eikechi said: why is everybody saying that war is super fantastic awesome all the sudden? what in this new 86-90 update did that exactly? cuz the only ability i see for war, is a 30s buff...thats AoE war was already the best dd in the game, so I think they mayad that even if they get a little boost, it puts them that much further back.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2010-12-01 15:30:31
Clearly this update is for blu.
SATA CA EFF hide random spell. BT for now unless something better for SAing comes out
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-12-01 15:36:02
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Ifrit.Eikechi said: why is everybody saying that war is super fantastic awesome all the sudden? what in this new 86-90 update did that exactly? cuz the only ability i see for war, is a 30s buff...thats AoE war was already the best dd in the game, so I think they mayad that even if they get a little boost, it puts them that much further back.
best? you sure? i mean i know they are good (great with unko's fury) but "best"?
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2010-12-01 15:37:33
Ifrit.Eikechi said: Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Ifrit.Eikechi said: why is everybody saying that war is super fantastic awesome all the sudden? what in this new 86-90 update did that exactly? cuz the only ability i see for war, is a 30s buff...thats AoE war was already the best dd in the game, so I think they mayad that even if they get a little boost, it puts them that much further back. best? you sure? i mean i know they are good (great with unko's fury) but "best"? war af3 is kinda rediculous...
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By Ifrit.Eikechi 2010-12-01 15:43:41
Bahamut.Dasva said: war af3 is kinda rediculous...
its ok...lots of haste, i'll give it that... fencer on legs is lulz, crit dmg+ on feet is what? 5%? ok thats fine..most jobs with crit dmg WS can hit the crit cap as well, so no big step foward over the rest for war... keep goin.... AF3 helm is WS only... i guess its nice but i dont see anything crazy leaps and bounds ahead of others in terms of AF3 there
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By Odin.Chazzyphizzle 2010-12-01 15:45:57
feet are 10%, and retaliation is incredible, coupled with a high DA rate and hasso /sam, and zerk, war is hard to beat
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2010-12-01 16:35:06
Ifrit.Eikechi said: Bahamut.Dasva said: war af3 is kinda rediculous... its ok...lots of haste, i'll give it that... fencer on legs is lulz, crit dmg+ on feet is what? 5%? ok thats fine..most jobs with crit dmg WS can hit the crit cap as well, so no big step foward over the rest for war... keep goin.... AF3 helm is WS only... i guess its nice but i dont see anything crazy leaps and bounds ahead of others in terms of AF3 there Most jobs aren't capping +crit dmg without using both atmas. Which is kinda fail and overkill since VV will definitely add more to your dmg than SS. Also with af3 war can cap haste without a head peice so it would make a nice tp peice then. But cmon 12 haste between feet and legs and 5% double attack... yeah that is a bit more than other DDs get. Especially with the augment double attack thing
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2010-12-01 16:39:08
Ifrit.Eikechi said: Sylph.Tigerwoods said: Ifrit.Eikechi said: why is everybody saying that war is super fantastic awesome all the sudden? what in this new 86-90 update did that exactly? cuz the only ability i see for war, is a 30s buff...thats AoE war was already the best dd in the game, so I think they mayad that even if they get a little boost, it puts them that much further back.
best? you sure? i mean i know they are good (great with unko's fury) but "best"? Yes, best... By a decent margin too. Add Retaliation and it's not even a contest. When forced to /NIN it loses a lot of ground though, so if it can't facetank that's not as true.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2010-12-01 16:42:03
Ifrit.Eikechi said: AF3 helm is WS only... Unless you have full af3+2 and perfect gear otherwise, then you can cap haste with head on ;)
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By Fenrir.Stiklelf 2010-12-01 16:47:47
Asura.Floorboss said: I play on pc and im one of the few that dont cheat um whats that program o yea windower. I could chose to but I dont I enjoy the game hense why I dont have good gear like most. You do know that using this site is against the ToS, right?
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By Asura.Ericka 2010-12-01 19:10:24
Every time there's an update or add on, why is that everyone post a thread about the same thing 20x? There's 4 threads about the same thing >.>
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By Bismarck.Yuenna 2010-12-01 19:23:53
>.> and how did a SCH discussion in the SCH forums turn into a WAR discussion >.>
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By Cerberus.Irohuro 2010-12-01 19:30:37
Bismarck.Yuenna said: >.> and how did a SCH discussion in the SCH forums turn into a WAR discussion >.>
the magic of ffxiah forums
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By Caitsith.Heimdall 2010-12-01 19:41:09
simple fact is pointof not having SS was cus sch sublimtation effect the drain would be blocked. But now that every sch subs rdm and sublimation doesnt really get used having ss dont really matte ranymore.
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By Asura.Floorboss 2010-12-01 20:18:50
Fenrir.Stiklelf said: Asura.Floorboss said: I play on pc and im one of the few that dont cheat um whats that program o yea windower. I could chose to but I dont I enjoy the game hense why I dont have good gear like most. You do know that using this site is against the ToS, right?
I cant say it is or is not compared to other ffxi sites without reading the tos.
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2010-12-01 21:20:03
Asura.Floorboss said: Fenrir.Stiklelf said: Asura.Floorboss said: I play on pc and im one of the few that dont cheat um whats that program o yea windower. I could chose to but I dont I enjoy the game hense why I dont have good gear like most. You do know that using this site is against the ToS, right? I cant say it is or is not compared to other ffxi sites without reading the tos. It's about how the site gathers real time data about the game
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2010-12-01 21:25:03
Bahamut.Dasva said: Asura.Floorboss said: Fenrir.Stiklelf said: Asura.Floorboss said: I play on pc and im one of the few that dont cheat um whats that program o yea windower. I could chose to but I dont I enjoy the game hense why I dont have good gear like most. You do know that using this site is against the ToS, right? I cant say it is or is not compared to other ffxi sites without reading the tos. It's about how the site gathers real time data about the game
I like how he thinks you can only have good gear if you use Windower lol
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By alamond1 2010-12-01 22:16:27
I did not go through all the previous posts, so maybe this has already been discussed....
Is it just me or is RDM being completely *** ignored on this update?
lolShield Mastery!
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By Odin.Chazzyphizzle 2010-12-01 22:35:19
who cares
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By Gilgamesh.Sanders 2010-12-01 22:37:18
Well, since everyone else is bitching about their jobs in the SCH forums... Where the fux is my pupdate?
GG SCHs~
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By Titan.Darkestknight 2010-12-01 22:40:59
alamond1 said: I did not go through all the previous posts, so maybe this has already been discussed....
Is it just me or is RDM being completely *** ignored on this update?
lolShield Mastery!
Yup, we got spells which are good.
RDM is pretty good as is though, what with Convert, Composure and Saboteur. Only thing we're missing is Fencer, and another trait of MAB and MDB.
SCH only really got two Stratagem's, they should have had Stoneskin, Aquaveil and Blink a long time ago.
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By Bismarck.Faelar 2010-12-02 08:12:01
SCH/BLM. One word: STUN.
/sigh guess I better finish up my BLM!
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By mascrapone 2010-12-02 08:22:45
Titan.Darkestknight said:
SCH only really got two Stratagem's
I'm convinced Adloquim could be a fast cast buff and if that's the case i think that's significant as hell too.
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By Cerberus.Zandra 2010-12-02 08:25:05
Fenrir.Stiklelf said: Asura.Floorboss said: I play on pc and im one of the few that dont cheat um whats that program o yea windower. I could chose to but I dont I enjoy the game hense why I dont have good gear like most. You do know that using this site is against the ToS, right?
lolwut?
EDIT: anyone think we're getting another stratagem? 10-30-50-70- 90??? Along with the shorter reset timer?
I sure do hope so, that alone would make us come out on top.
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By Titan.Darkestknight 2010-12-02 08:37:51
mascrapone said: Titan.Darkestknight said:
SCH only really got two Stratagem's
I'm convinced Adloquim could be a fast cast buff and if that's the case i think that's significant as hell too.
No, I'm just saying as it is, they didn't get some ridiculous amounts of stuff, people include Stoneskin Blink and Aquaveil, they should have had them in the beginning.
As for the spell, I can't see a word meaning to address, encourage etcetera to be fast cast.
Cerberus.Zandra said: Fenrir.Stiklelf said: Asura.Floorboss said: I play on pc and im one of the few that dont cheat um whats that program o yea windower. I could chose to but I dont I enjoy the game hense why I dont have good gear like most. You do know that using this site is against the ToS, right?
lolwut?
EDIT: anyone think we're getting another stratagem? 10-30-50-70- 90??? Along with the shorter reset timer?
I sure do hope so, that alone would make us come out on top. I hope so, but the way SE has been messing up their set patterns I wouldn't count on it.
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By Siren.Mascrapone 2010-12-02 09:08:32
Addle means to confuse or to become rotten and it translates to slow-cast in FFXI language, and the same latin word part (adle) is in Adleoquim so don't think it's a stretch.
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By Titan.Darkestknight 2010-12-02 09:51:30
Siren.Mascrapone said: Addle means to confuse or to become rotten and it translates to slow-cast in FFXI language, and the same latin word part (adle) is in Adleoquim so don't think it's a stretch.
The way they are going with SCH at the moment, I wouldn't be surprised if it's something to do with TP or Skillchains.
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By Lakshmi.Galith 2010-12-02 12:39:52
Siren.Mascrapone said: Addle means to confuse or to become rotten and it translates to slow-cast in FFXI language, and the same latin word part (adle) is in Adleoquim so don't think it's a stretch.
Adloquium
Latin Dictionary
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address| addressing| talk; talking to| encouragement| friendly/reassuring words
That said if you were really wanting to speculate on what the spell does. You may find it more interesting to hear the .dat is listed as sch_regain.
http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/100956-Prep.-Update-Data-Mine-%28Nov-30-2010%29/page8
Yeah, I'm biased but this update seems like they're not only giving us what we expected, stuff we only dreamed of as well as entirely new stuff I didn't see coming...
Stratagem: Perpetuance (SCH Lv.87)
Increases the enhancement effect duration of your next white magic spell.
Stratagem: Immanence (SCH Lv.87)
Makes it possible for your next elemental magic spell to be used in a skillchain, but not a magic burst.
Spells:
Adloquium SCH Lv.88
Aquaveil SCH Lv.13
Blink SCH Lv.29
Stoneskin SCH Lv.44
Shell V RDM Lv.87 / SCH Lv.90
Blaze Spikes SCH Lv.30
Ice Spikes SCH Lv.50
Shock Spikes SCH Lv.70
Aero V SCH Lv.87 (Addendum: Black)
Break RDM Lv.87 / SCH Lv.90 (Addendum: Black)
Perpetuance I saw coming, to be honest. I fully expected its Dark Arts equivalent to be the same except in an offensive aspect (Sleep lasting longer, etc.) but Immanence just blows my mind... so I can now SKILLCHAIN (not magic burst) off of what the DDs are doing? I am going to have fun playing with this one. I can see it being a bit meticulous, but it's a skill I can't wait to try to develop.
Adloquium I guess is the new Regain spell that was labeled in the dats (now even more likely since COR got a Regain roll). And there is a god, we have Aquaveil/Blink/Stoneskin now natively. I gotta level /BLM now, it's still hanging around 37 unused. This will also be nice for /SCH options. Spikes and Break are a plus. Overall, I'm quite happy. :D Seems like everyone else got either a nice JA or something they were fully expecting. (LOL @ the BLM trait which will ruin time nuking.)
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