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I kind of liked the era of coordinated SCs, especially when Aeonics were the hotness with Umbra/Radiance. Everything capping damage made that niche for Aeonics basically dead in the water. Even on something like Gartell or other Sortie bosses, I enjoy seeing double Darkness 99k and 2 99k Rudra's, or a 4-step Light on AECG that just obliterates the mob.

You know what I'd actually like to see? An intentional return to that glorious glitch they allowed to remain for a while, where WSD was applying to every hit of every WS.

Maletaru is correct that the meta would just eventually settle on different WS, but I think it would be fun to shake things up. I guess I just root for a little chaos.

From my experience you need both Threnody and Frazzle to put out reliably high numbers, though I don't use macc food.

Nah that wasn't real, your quote is also an AI hallucination!

I did soften after that initial comment, but yeah, I'll admit it your silly joke has some good use after all XD

1) Was messing around last night on BLU and called Matsui-P for my final trust slot, and was pleasantly surprised for him to open Darkness for my Expiacion to close (and of course then tack on some MBs). For Tizona users, it's actually pretty great, allowing you to use Expi only if you wish, but still get strong SCs without having to compromise on your WS damage. It was pretty great, actually - I'm prob gonna seriously consider tweaks to my typical BLU trust setups. BLU also has the luxury of not needing to rely much on trusts to cap haste, or use our own cures, etc - so gets more wiggle room than many jobs.

2) I didn't recall reading much about Matsui-P working well with Expi, so I wanted to see if others had mentioned it and did a quick check by typing "matsui-p expiacion" into Google. Didn't get hits of people mentioning this point, but I did get one of the worst AI summaries I've seen recently! Sharing for everyone to enjoy:

My laptop is working without crashes again after getting the motherboard replaced. It has a 13th generation Intel Core i9. If the problem ever comes back, I'll try the fix that alamihgo described.

I have several jobs that can cleave, mostly I use Aeolian Edge.

Pld, Cor, Thf, Dnc, Brd, I can AE cleave on any of those in abyssea.

I also have a war and can traditional cleave.

I mostly prefer pld, but I don't find much difference between jobs as long as they have 18% movespeed gear

Cor is nice for the initial getting around and building amber phase though.

AE Jinpu
CG Kagero

Should hit lots of 80k-99k just don't wall yourself if you can help it. Need Threnody for high numbers esp in the basement.

Thanks for the replies, its the first time I’ve seen it mentioned and most videos I’ve watched of melee strats is physical WS, I will have a play tonight and see how Kagero performs on some of the bosses.

I've seen shouts for summoner even on Asura. You won't believe how many hours people will shout for just to burn one HELM in thirty seconds, when they could clear all of them in an hour with a standard party. Just laziness

The Guildwork site is running without a stylesheet atm? And it's not possible to add new characters to it. Flush doesn't work either.

Idk Sakpata r0 and nyame R15 seems sufficient for almost all helms, but on the other hand I haven't done this in ages.

Upstairs most hybrids will work well without threnody
A jinpu is great
C Kagero koki works pretty great

I'd be curious to see if anyone has done any indepth testing

Aecg. Koki kagero work well with a threnody.

Does anyone have experience or information on how well the hybrid and elemental WS works on sortie bosses? Seen a comment on YouTube video suggesting that “Using Tachi: Mumei is pointless when Tachi: Kagero does 99k with a simple fire threnody” is there any truth to this??

Bard has been given some phenomenal gear options for melee in recent years to allow it to participate in battle more. Honor March is a huge bonus, and it was given Moonbow Whistle to boost it's potency even more. I don't agree that COR has better attack buffs than BRD either, it's only one roll and completely dependent on the dice number you roll. GEO is a different story with attack, but it's weaker and less flexible than BRD in many settings. Idk if BRD needs more buffs, you have to try really hard to find an event where you wouldn't favor it over the other buffers.

Imo the only fix BRD needs is to Tenuto. The ability is complete trash. It should be able to be paired with Piannisimo to give unremovable buffs to other players so you can lock certain songs on people.

Oh and if V15 is baseline for Gaol then BLU is used for Ngai too. It's the second best dps there I think and mighty guard helps a lot.

PLD- Fix Atonement dmg, at least add a zero.

WAR- Aggressor is a joke of an ability right now. +25 Acc and -25 Eva.. super out dated (Not that war needs to be buffed, might make subbing War more beneficial to other jobs.)

DRG- Wyvern Breath dmg

BRD- I feel like outside of Honor March and Aria BRD hasn't been buffed. Both locked behind an ultimate weapon. COR and GEO (Idris dependant) give way better attack buffs.

Bumba too. It can Savage Blade like the rest of the lot and Larceny SP1s. But not common

Can do V15 bee NM. Maybe v20 but other piercing jobs are preferred.

Imo, SMN is no longer used that much by regular players. It's way easier to throw regular melee zerg with DD in Sakpata, than bother with gearing a SMN.

I liked the first pic out of 3.

i think a small note saying BST (and RUN) is/are used for Ody RP cheese is valid/worth?

It's only useful when it's useful, but larceny can be pretty clutch. Otherwise, it's a reasonable damage option for some multis. Obvious farming utility for scales and hides, so I think it probably deserves more shine than most would.

I would put MNK much lower in dynamis D wave 3...I haven't used one once in years, and wouldn't use it unless desperate. It should be "extremely rarely used" for Ody C farm. Basically never. I'd also argue it's rarely used for GF, but you could technically use any DD, I guess...

I would also put THF in the "extremely rarely used" for Ody C & Ambuscade. THF is "highly used" for Omen..soloing...but almost never used for Omen bosses. It's also extremely unimportant for HELMs; are people killing HELMs for their drops?

I'm not sure if SAM is used in 2/7 T3/4...I think I used it on 0, but some people use it on 1?

NIN is often used on T3 as people have said, depends on your setup though.

SMN should be bumped down some tiers in Omen/Dynamis. I've only ever used SMN in Omen for Kei, like you said for BLM. I've never had a SMN in Dynamis, except when they need RP.

BLU could easily be in the "highly used" category for all the stuff other B-tier DPS are put in (THF, MNK, DNC, etc.) so I'm not sure why it got put in occasionally.

I think PUP should be rarely/extremely rarely for Dynamis, GF, and Omen.

DNC is extremely rarely used in Ody C. We used DNC in 2-3 T3s.

I think 4 bosses for SCH is a bit much. Depends how many KI you're doing but I think we've used it in maybe 2?

RUN depends on strategies as well, we've used RUN in...2? I've never seen a RUN in a seg farm but I guess some people do that. It seems to me that it's just a significantly less effective PLD.

I've never seen a GEO in an Ody C seg farm, IDK what "occasionally" is referring to, are people really using GEO in segs?

The rest all seem right to me.