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By Jakey on 2025-08-23 06:53:32
I definitely prefer my drg over rng for pure savage spam, the ws bonus drg gets is just so strong and tp bonus doesn't do much when you are already using K-club. Also jumps don't feed tp so you have ways to not completely feed all tp all the time.

I see all this hype about the polearm but it just looks like a minor upgrade over shining one to me. When you compare shining one Impulse drive to Diarmuid you get slightly better equivalent fTP (counting the 40% bonus on shining one) and of course the pdl but lose the ability to crit on ws . The prime also can SC with its self which may or may not be good depending on the content. Like sure its probably the best but lets not pretend we weren't already regularly limited by the damage cap with Shining One.
By SimonSes on 2025-08-23 06:48:51
K123 said: »
SimonSes said: »
Mnk,nin,rdm,brd,drg > sam,whm,thf,drk,sch,dnc,blm > blu,pup,bst,rng,run,war,cor > geo(much higher if you don't have Idris) ,pld
Simon literally the one that derailed the thread then had a pissy fit when someone deviated from his personal ranking. Get out of your Stalin mindset.

It's not about the ranking or me, I simply followed OP question and answered it, then I pointed out that your answer was off topic and gave my arguments why I think your list was flawed even when following your meta logic. I'm pretty sure I did exactly what this forum is for.
By on 2025-08-23 06:47:24
By SimonSes on 2025-08-23 06:43:53
K123 said: »
Ok I just checked and BRD has stp and PDL. I thought the QA was the augment.

So you made a tier list not even knowing the stats on the neck. Thank you for your insight :)
By on 2025-08-23 06:42:47
By on 2025-08-23 06:39:22
By Dodik on 2025-08-23 06:37:00
Shiva.Flowen said: »
You can stop using them because kusanagi is always up there, but masa is stronger for standard double light (fudo kasha shoha fudo) and doji is stronger for jinpu spam (two common GK use cases).

Bzzt, wrong. Kusa's PDL pushes fudo damage higher too, and all the other WSs in a 4-step. Fudo is not as high as masa, but close enough and the dmg increase on the other WSs makes it catch up.

Doji is only technically stronger in jinpu if you don't mind losing TP and Kusanagi's AM3. If it's just one pack I don't even switch to Doji.

Only time doji gets used is if only spamming Jinpu or on Kei. Masa's been on a mannequin since stage 5 kusanagi..
By on 2025-08-23 06:35:19
By SimonSes on 2025-08-23 06:30:05
Shiva.Flowen said: »
This is an interesting way of analysing a DRG only wep... Also, not sure I would agree with "way more powerful" vs naegling on fencer WAR or Rng with kclub/tpbonus bow/DI arrow.

Point is every other DD prime is a nice upgrade or sidegrade, but Gae Buide is in a different league vs the next best polearm.

War's and rng's Savage is nowhere near Drg's at the same tp threshold. War fencer dps is also nowhere near Drg's unless you pair WAR with DNC's Haste samba. Rng can kinda keep up with dps because it has 1000tp bonus advantage, but it's still behind and neither war or rng can't simply do regular 90-99k Savage without Aria by reaching higher tp thresholds. Also DRG doesn't really need KC or any specific subjob, meaning it can do it on any content.
By Pantafernando on 2025-08-23 06:26:42
I also would like to buy a Jinxed Mithra.

Well not buy, but rent
By Byrthnoth on 2025-08-23 06:25:53
Those weapons are a decade old and work now the same as they did.

Differences are:
* Setan is mostly used for flourish recast reduction during zergs, I think
* Twashtar benefits much more than Terpsi from augmented Nyame gear, but if you don't have that then it doesn't affect the math.
* Terpsi is fun and probably benefits more from Air Knife (you may use Centovente offhand with Twash), but maintaining AM3 is annoying.

If I was getting one of those three today, it would be Twashtar
By Dodik on 2025-08-23 06:25:43
Valefor.Yandaime said: »
Those upgrades are basically given so it doesn’t make any sense to NOT get them.

"If you spend a bunch of time farming a pulse weapon you get it for 'free'".

It's not free if you're spending time on it.

Any upgrade in XI is going to cost you time.

Whether it's time spent grinding potpourri while doing other things, time spent farming gil to buy cells or HQ gear or anything else.

Unless you're whipping out a CC to buy gil, of course.
By Banhammer on 2025-08-23 06:23:55
Tarage said: »
Unicorn.Owll said: »
I hope you have been well.

Would love to catch up with you old friend

You bumped an 8 year old thread to ask someone how they were doing INSTEAD of using the PM system?

Are you an idiot?

I love the thread police around here. Go back to reddit.
By Tarage on 2025-08-23 06:20:23
Unicorn.Owll said: »
I hope you have been well.

Would love to catch up with you old friend

You bumped an 8 year old thread to ask someone how they were doing INSTEAD of using the PM system?

Are you an idiot?
By Tarage on 2025-08-23 06:15:17
K123 said: »
SimonSes said: »
K123 said: »
I'm not sure what you don't understand about RoI. I don't set the meta.

OP asked about which necks are worth +2 over +1 based on their usefulness for the job, not based on job usefulness to meta. Your answer is basically off topic and while being off topic it's also wrong based on your own criteria. BRD neck is amazing and BRD is on top of the meta and you put it in D, same for GEO.
Tell me you grew up under Soviet control without telling me you grew up under Soviet control.

The way you think everyone on this forum must post under your T&C is the dumbest ***I've seen in 20+ years on the internet. Have you ever had a psychological analysis to try and understand why you're so pedantic and anal and think the world revolves around you?

Someone asked a question. You answered a different question noone asked and framed it as if it was an answer to OP's question. Ooooor, you're an idiot and got caught being stupid and are now desperately trying to save face. Either way, *** off idiot.
By Dexprozius on 2025-08-23 06:14:18
By Yandaime on 2025-08-23 06:00:20
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
Valefor.Yandaime said: »
Most, if not all of the JSE+2 Necks are only marginally better than their +1 Counterparts so a +1 or even a NQ will usually do just fine.
Abju-1 equipment is just marginally better than its NQ counterpart, so the NQ will do just fine.
Ambu weapons are just marginally better than their NQ counterpart, so dont waste time getting a pulse weapon.
Sortie+2 earrings are just marginally better than its NQ/+1 counterpart, so stop chasing the +2.

lol Bad Take: All of those are free and easily accessible with an Asterisk on the Ambu weapon because of Pulse Weapon; you can Farm a weapon yourself, buy 5 cells to make a weapon or farm up 15,000 potpourri to outright buy one. Those upgrades are basically given so it doesn’t make any sense to NOT get them.

These JSE Necks however are expensive and some folks make Gil much faster or slower than others so if one neck is only providing a tiny performance boost, it’s worth looking at to see if you REALLY NEED IT or if you can just skip it. WHM Neck is a great example, yes the +2 is better but at the end of the day you’re only using the thing for Erase so a +1 or even a NQ will do perfectly fine.
By Flowen255 on 2025-08-23 05:52:42
Dodik said: »
Shiva.Flowen said: »
pretty much all primes get switched in and out with other RMEA or naegling as they are only situationally bis.

Same can be said of Kusanagi - that you stop using all other GKs after.

You can stop using them because kusanagi is always up there, but masa is stronger for standard double light (fudo kasha shoha fudo) and doji is stronger for jinpu spam (two common GK use cases).

SimonSes said: »
Its more of DRG being DRG, not only weapon. Naegling and Savage on DRG is also way more powerful than on any other job.

This is an interesting way of analysing a DRG only wep... Also, not sure I would agree with "way more powerful" vs naegling on fencer WAR or Rng with kclub/tpbonus bow/DI arrow.

Point is every other DD prime is a nice upgrade or sidegrade, but Gae Buide is in a different league vs the next best polearm.
By maletaru on 2025-08-23 05:28:04
Your tier list is dogshit tho. Regardless of what you think of other people's personalities, it's not even consistent with what you claimed it's based on.

How about instead of random ad hominem attacks, you respond to the points being made.
By on 2025-08-23 05:25:07
By maletaru on 2025-08-23 05:10:40
Valefor.Elendiel said: »
AF+4 head+feet, rest empy+3 is
Macc 71+56+63+63+63+30 (set bonus for 2 af pieces + regal earring) = 346
CHR 48+38+39+43+50 = 218
Sing 24+22+28 = 74
Wind 15+24+22 = 61
Total: 346+218+74+(61*0.3) = 656.3

and you have the duration bonus from empy body + AF feet.
Is this the winner?

Idk what the absolute best macc is, it might be this set, but personally I have inyanga pants in all my debuff sets. It's extremely unlikely that you will save a resist by adding macc pants, and the extra duration is nice.

Being honest, 99.99% of the debuffs are gonna land without even considering what your macc is. In the super rare situations where your effect is gonna resist, I doubt the extra macc from 1 piece will make a difference often.
By SimonSes on 2025-08-23 05:10:18
Shiva.Flowen said: »
Gae buide is S tier - easily the biggest bang for buck of the DD weps. I regularly get a chance to play with multiple prime weps, and pretty much all primes get switched in and out with other RMEA or naegling as they are only situationally bis.

Gae buide is relentless and has a hidden effect that your wardrobe of R15 RMEA polearm now collect dust.

Its more of DRG being DRG, not only weapon. Naegling and Savage on DRG is also way more powerful than on any other job.
By Soraelendiel on 2025-08-23 05:04:46
AF+4 head+feet, rest empy+3 is
Macc 71+56+63+63+63+30 (set bonus for 2 af pieces + regal earring) = 346
CHR 48+38+39+43+50 = 218
Sing 24+22+28 = 74
Wind 15+24+22 = 61
Total: 346+218+74+(61*0.3) = 656.3

and you have the duration bonus from empy body + AF feet.
Is this the winner?
By Owll on 2025-08-23 05:00:38
I hope you have been well.

Would love to catch up with you old friend
By Flowen255 on 2025-08-23 04:32:17
Gae buide is S tier - easily the biggest bang for buck of the DD weps. I regularly get a chance to play with multiple prime weps, and pretty much all primes get switched in and out with other RMEA or naegling as they are only situationally bis.

Gae buide is relentless and has a hidden effect that your wardrobe of R15 RMEA polearm now collect dust.
By Flowen255 on 2025-08-23 04:17:22
SimonSes said: »
Also your argument that BLU neck is just 7stp or BRD neck is just 3%QA is simply amusing.

Was literally just reading that comment and thinking what in vanadiel is this guy on lol..
By . on 2025-08-23 04:00:05
Because I also belong to that generatino
By . on 2025-08-23 03:59:45
Why?
By SimonSes on 2025-08-23 03:59:45
K123 said: »
I'm not sure what you don't understand about RoI. I don't set the meta.

OP asked about which necks are worth +2 over +1 based on their usefulness for the job, not based on job usefulness to meta. Your answer is basically off topic and while being off topic it's also wrong based on your own criteria. BRD neck is amazing and BRD is on top of the meta and you put it in D, same for GEO.
By . on 2025-08-23 03:59:36
Good morning you who are in the 30-40y range.

Congratulations, you belong to the greatest human generation of all time
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