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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-29 12:02:21
Yeah because those 2018 midterms are right around the corner... And they have yet to show leadership that isn't obstructionist.
It's a short-term play in a long-term game. At least the Tea Party had a message that made sense (Make Government Smaller) instead of what the "Resistance" is doing (Kill Trump Now! Then Impeach Him! Then Kill Him Again!).
By Viciouss 2017-03-29 12:09:06
Yeah because those 2018 midterms are right around the corner... And they have yet to show leadership that isn't obstructionist.
Who says they need to? Obstructing a very unpopular POTUS that hasn't accomplished anything can easily be seen as the right thing to do.
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By Cruz Missive 2017-03-29 12:11:52
But while I'm here
Meanwhile, Dems gloat over their decaying "health" plan sticking around
I expect this kind of blatant partisan hackery from some of the others, but I know you're smarter than this.
The ACA, demonized as it is by the GOP, is essentially Romneycare 2.0, the Heritage Foundation's plan that got implemented in Massachusetts. There's some small structural differences, but not many. The Democrats went with it because it would have some chance at passing, as opposed to what they really want (single-payer). But all the bleating about how this is the Democrats' bill and the Republican version would be so much better/cheaper/less filling is so, so stupid.
The ACA is the conservative bill. If you asked the think tanks to write up what they wanted, it would look like 75-80% of the ACA. That's their bill! The problem is that the Congressional GOP has spent seven years doing anything they possibly could to obstruct Obama, and couldn't even let him have credit for implementing what is, at its core, THEIR PLAN.
So now, of course, they've spent seven years trying to cut the brakes on the car, and now have to drive it. But all their good ideas are already in law, so all that's left is to try and cobble something else together, that will never, ever, make enough of the various factions happy to actually vote for it.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2017-03-29 12:15:31
Not super excited about getting summoned to P+R in the middle of the day
tweren't me... I'm not sure how that would even work. (the summoning part)
do you get notified if your name is mentioned in a thread?
or someone PM'd and you linked a notification to your email?
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By fonewear 2017-03-29 12:15:57
The plan is to let Obamacare fail so Democrats are held accountable !
By fonewear 2017-03-29 12:16:36
Not super excited about getting summoned to P+R in the middle of the day
tweren't me... I'm not sure how that would even work. (the summoning part)
do you get notified if your name is mentioned in a thread?
or someone PM'd and you linked a notification to your email?
If you type Rooks in bold it sends him an e-mail go ahead and try it !
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By fonewear 2017-03-29 12:17:56
Also if you post a Simpsons gif or reference I get alerted...
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By Viciouss 2017-03-29 12:17:59
Meanwhile, the Dems stand ready to vote to repair the flaws in the ACA, Trump is ready too.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-03-29 12:18:17
Their law (that none of them voted for). Democrats own it, why can't people just accept that?
You can make whatever comments you want to about the house not being ready to actually repeal it. I share that sense of BS, but the fact that this recent bill didn't pass is quite indicative that the GOP isn't sold on romneycare or any version of "Obamacare lite".
By fonewear 2017-03-29 12:19:06
Ok smart *** if Obamacare is so great why did Trump win on plans of repealing it !
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2017-03-29 12:20:00
But while I'm here
Meanwhile, Dems gloat over their decaying "health" plan sticking around
I expect this kind of blatant partisan hackery from some of the others, but I know you're smarter than this.
The ACA, demonized as it is by the GOP, is essentially Romneycare 2.0, the Heritage Foundation's plan that got implemented in Massachusetts. There's some small structural differences, but not many. The Democrats went with it because it would have some chance at passing, as opposed to what they really want (single-payer). But all the bleating about how this is the Democrats' bill and the Republican version would be so much better/cheaper/less filling is so, so stupid.
The ACA is the conservative bill. If you asked the think tanks to write up what they wanted, it would look like 75-80% of the ACA. That's their bill! The problem is that the Congressional GOP has spent seven years doing anything they possibly could to obstruct Obama, and couldn't even let him have credit for implementing what is, at its core, THEIR PLAN.
So now, of course, they've spent seven years trying to cut the brakes on the car, and now have to drive it. But all their good ideas are already in law, so all that's left is to try and cobble something else together, that will never, ever, make enough of the various factions happy to actually vote for it.
The major difference between Romneycare and Obamacare was that Romneycare was a successful implementation at state level, and Obamacare is a one-size-fits-all failure at the national level. The Congressional GOP is dysfunctional, so I'm not going to sit here trying to defend them until they get their act together. That being said, trying to call Obamacare a Republican idea when not a single Republican voted for it is severely stretching in an attempt to deflect blame for its failure.
And at the end of all of this, with Obamacare falling apart, where is the Democrat solution to fix it? Oh yeah, they don't have one. The plan is offer nothing and clap when the Republicans fail.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2017-03-29 12:21:47
Playing devil's advocate here, I think asking for resignation letters was the right play (and apparently it's standard procedure). I've been mocking them for ages for their inability to buck their old, tired leadership.
Now, with that being said, do I actually believe that the DNC will rise out of their current ditch of "herp derp Trump bad" and actually put out a candidate that's a real leader with legitimately good ideas? Not for a second. People don't get fired in he Democratic Party, they just get moved to some other sideways position and receive a bonus for heir incompetence.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-29 12:24:51
The plan is offer nothing and clap when the Republicans fail. Their plan is to let Obamacare fail and double down on it when it does.
Like how they played Fast and Furious.
Or Solyndra.
Or how they are trying to justify their loss as double downing on identity politics.
The liberals/democrats strategy is the textbook definition of insanity.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-29 12:27:32
o now, of course, they've spent seven years trying to cut the brakes on the car, and now have to drive it. That's the biggest problem right there.
They are trying to fix it when it should just be completely scrapped and started over again. And this time, it needs to address it's original issue (health care) and not a supplement issue (health insurance).
Because health care is not affordable now as it was the day before Obamacare was signed, and now, on top of it all, you have an additional bill that pays very little, if anything, at all.
Tell me, how do you expect costs to go down if you keep adding costs that you have to pay?
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2017-03-29 12:27:52
sounds kinda personal....
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-29 12:28:43
sounds kinda personal....
reported There's your witch in your hunt Rooks!
/weighs Nik to see if he weighs the same as the duck.
By fonewear 2017-03-29 12:29:42
Let me see your war face !
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-29 12:29:54
Meanwhile, the Dems stand ready to vote to repair the flaws in the ACA, Trump is ready too. What's their solution?
Protip: Universal healthcare is not a solution, it's creating more problems, corruption, and bureaucracy, and less services.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2017-03-29 12:32:49
Embattled DNC Asks All Staffers For Resignation Letters
Quote: Democratic National Committee Chairman Tom Perez has launched a major overhaul of the party's organization, which has been stung by recent crises — and the DNC has requested resignation letters from all current staffers.
Party staff routinely see major turnover with a new boss and they had been alerted to expect such a move. However, the mass resignation letters will give Perez a chance to completely remake the DNC's headquarters from scratch. Staffing had already reached unusual lows following a round of post-election layoffs in December.
Immediately after Perez's selection as party chairman in late February, an adviser to outgoing DNC Interim Chair Donna Brazile, Leah Daughtry, asked every employee to submit a letter of resignation dated April 15, according to multiple sources familiar with the party's internal workings.
A committee advising Perez on his transition is now interviewing staff and others as part of a top-to-bottom review process to decide not only who will stay and who will go, but how the party should be structured in the future.
Major staffing and organizational changes will be announced in coming weeks, one aide said.
"This is longstanding precedent at the DNC and has happened during multiple Chair transitions," said DNC spokeswoman Xochitl Hinojosa. "The process was started before the election of the new Chair. From the beginning, Tom has been adamant that we structure the DNC for future campaigns. Current and future DNC staff will be integral to that effort. Over the last few months, the DNC staff has done incredible work under immense pressure to hold Trump accountable."
Perez is the party's third leader in the past year, which was one of its most difficult on record.
It began with accusations that the DNC favored Hillary Clinton over Bernie Sanders in the Democratic primary, continued with the wrenching exposure of hacked emails and the abrupt resignation of former chair, Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, and concluded with the shocking defeat of its presidential nominee and a divisive race for the new party chairman.
The grueling experience, which followed years in which many Democrats felt the Obama White House ignored the party organization, has left the DNC with a crisis of confidence and competence.
Now Perez, who spent most of his career in government and not politics, needs to rebuild the beleaguered party, take on President Donald Trump, tap into a unique moment of progressive activism across the country, and replenish the party's coffers.
"I wouldn't wish that on anybody," California Gov. Jerry Brown told Chuck Todd on NBC's "Meet the Press" on Sunday. "I was the Democratic Party chairman in California — it's a miserable job. So, Tom, too bad."
Sanders said Wednesday on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" that the DNC "absolutely" needed to be overhauled.
"Clearly, the Democratic Party needs a top-down overhaul," Sanders said. "And that top down overhaul means that instead of becoming dependent and being dependent on big money interests for campaign contributions, it has got to become a grassroots party."
The Vermont lawmaker added the Democratic party "programmaticaly, in terms of how it does business, has failed. I mean the evidence is obvious. It's not just that we've lost the White House and the U.S. Senate and the U.S. House. We've lost 900 legislative seats in the last eight or nine years."
Perez has spent his first weeks on the job in "active listening mode," hearing from Democrats in Washington and in small group meetings across the country before making any big moves.
"What we're trying to do is culture change," he told NBC News between stops of a listening tour in Michigan on Friday. "We're repairing a plane at 20,000 feet. You can't land the plane, shut it down, and close it until further notice."
It's a whirlwind job that took Perez from being feted at a donor conference at the Mandarin Oriental in Washington Thursday night to playing Solitaire on his iPhone in row 31 on a Delta flight to Detroit shortly after dawn the next morning.
The DNC will embark on a national search to fill key party positions, overseen by the 30-odd members of the transition advisory committee.
The committee is also reviewing the DNC's contracts with outside vendors and consultants, a source of complaints from many Democrats.
Progressives also criticized the transition committee's initial makeup, leading the DNC to add several more members from the left's ranks.
Earlier this month, Perez held a meeting to discuss the issue with Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and Sanders, both of whom supported Rep. Keith Ellison in the DNC chair race.
Schumer, pointing to Ellison and Sanders, told Perez, "If he's happy, and if he's happy, then I'm happy," according to two sources.
Perez has included Ellison in many of the DNC's public events so far, but the party's charter makes no provision for a deputy chair, so Ellison does not have vote on the DNC. That could be fixed by naming the Minnesota congressman to one of the 75 slots the chairman gets to appoint to the national committee.
Ellison's political director has also been helping to oversee staffing decisions in some key departments in the DNC, according to several sources.
So much for party unity. In an age where the democrats/liberals can't afford to sink any lower than they already are, their head is asking them to dive deep into the abyss...
Now, when 2018 midterms come up, they will be completely unprepared for it, and probably lose even more seats than they can afford to lose, in both national and local elections. King, the main reason why Hillary lost is she ran a BAD campaign. And that campaign was crafted by the DNC.
The new staff will have time to get up to speed for 2018. And some will be retained.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2017-03-29 12:34:01
not a single Republican voted for it
and Nobody voted for mittens either....
but I bet some of them wish they did now!
romneycare is awesome we should all implement it!
-said nobody ever
By fonewear 2017-03-29 12:34:42
I bet if there was some pussy in Obamacare the Democrats would get it !
By fonewear 2017-03-29 12:36:26
All we Republicans need is another 7 years to figure out Obamacare give us some time damn it !
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2017-03-29 12:36:36
The new staff will have time to get up to speed for 2018. And some will be retained.
are you prepared to wager any money on that?
I think 18 will be a bloodbath....
mosty republicans trying to kill each other off....
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By fonewear 2017-03-29 12:37:38
Don't worry we will be at war with North Korea in 2018...and Obamacare will be the least of our worries.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2017-03-29 12:38:35
All we Republicans need is another 7 years to figure out Obamacare give us some time damn it !
I think we should get back to doing what we do best....making old people eat cat food!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-29 12:38:49
King, the main reason why Hillary lost is she ran a BAD campaign. And that campaign was crafted by the DNC.
The new staff will have time to get up to speed for 2018. And some will be retained. Assisted, but the DNC didn't run her entire campaign.
Hell, that would make her look even worse. Either the DNC is full of incompetent fools or Clinton is just a puppet for the DNC and hasn't have a clue in her corrupt little mind.
Either way, it's no wonder she lost.
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By fonewear 2017-03-29 12:39:13
And if you are lucky enough to live in California you can bet your sweet *** the high range ballistic missiles are in range of wiping Hollyweird off the map.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2017-03-29 12:39:39
All we Republicans need is another 7 years to figure out Obamacare give us some time damn it !
I think we should get back to doing what we do best....making old people eat cat food! Sounds like you own some Purina stock.
By fonewear 2017-03-29 12:40:48
Cat food tastes better than Taco Bell so let's do it !
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By fonewear 2017-03-29 12:42:45
I heard trump is going to have death panels too like Obama. If you are over 60 we are going to push you off a cliff sorta like Looney Tunes !
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