Soloing HTMB Shinryu

I've been studying this thread, with particular interest for RDM/NIN. (Didn't want to necro bump it)

https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/57887/shinryu-vd-solo-w-trusts/

I'm trying to work out what the TP sets used are here, looking at the videos posted by Wizardstick and Speedmaster. (They are in HD 1440p so the graphics are very clear.)

I'm trying to work out where they are getting Dual Wield +11 from. Assuming they are getting +11.

Both sets are slightly different, but I see Eabani earring in both, which gives DW +4. Then there could be DW + on the cape or DW +7 from the Reiki Yotai in waist slot. But that shares the same icon as O-Sash, which I thought would be used here. Even though it's a bit of a luxury item.

Neck pieces are different, but I'm guessing they are Anu's torque and Warder's Charm +1 respectively?

I see Aurgelmir orb +1, but I aint dropping 55M gil for that :p
I do have Coiste Bodhar R25 maxed though.

Anyone got any suggestions for the TP set on this fight? I seen the all gear thread where it does list O-Sash in waist, but keeps one earring and ring slot free I assume for DW + ?

EDIT: I'm thinking (for the gears I have) this set:

Crocea Mors / Bunzi's Rod (R15)
5/5 Malignance
Null Loop
Sherida / Eabani earrings
2x Chirich +1 rings
Reiki Yotai
RDM cape with either STP or DA.

This set gets DW +11 with -41 Damage taken.

No O-Sash here. And now would be the perfect time to get one, with the AH full of AMAN spoils and prices dropping.

First of all you need to decide if you wanna go for the magic route or the physical route. I found the magical is better but the physical (with Naegling) is so close I wouldn't say it's a big difference in the end.

Then you said "solo", you need to decide if it's really solo or if you have a mule providing buffs.
I'm asking this for the sake of capping haste/attack delay.
At the moment Cornelia is out, so you can do it easily with just her and Haste2. When Cornelia is not up you can't realistically do that without mules (and even with mules it's not exactly easy...)

Personally I have 2 sets:
One to use when Cornelia is available (just 10% DW from cape)
One to use when Cornelia isn't available (10% DW from cape and Suppa+Eabani for another 9%, this is to "compensate" for the lack my magic haste won't be capped)

The set I use is the following. Probably not BiS but worked good for me, I rarely ever failed a Shinryu VD run after my initial (and long) training made of failure. Granted that it's more a matter of Holy Waters I'd say, rather than TP set alone lol

ItemSet 396793

Now, as I said before swap the earrings if Cornelia isn't available, and that's it.
If you don't have Duelist+2 earring, I'd probably use Crepuscular Earring in there.

Either way, I mostly use Seraph Blade, keep all debuffs on the *** (can pull with sleep, then place all debuffs at start at your pleasure).

Bio3 vs Dia3:
If you're using magic setup, Dia3 won't offer a lot of benefits over Bio3, but most Shinryu's moves are magical so reducing his attack won't be a big benefit either.
Bio3 is more damage over time but lasts way less than Dia3, so I guess it's basically about that.
If you're going for Naegling and Savage Blade spam, of course you need to use Dia3 unquestionably.

The key to success imho is making sure you have lotsa DT/Meva in your WS set in case you get caught during that (but Nyame mostly solves that) and last but not least your Holy Water set.
Don't have to go crazy on it, I only Nicander's Necklace, Blenmot's Ring +1 and Purity Ring and the success rate is very high.

Make sure you have a macro/spell/something to apply TH4 on Shinryu, supposing it even works.


I gave up after ~500 fights on Shinryu, wish you good luck though!

I solo it everyday with killtime between 9 to 12 minutes depending on how many times he uses MG and wings up/down for half dmg.
Sanguine Blade + Crocea/Bunzi method is prob the most braindead, you just remain engaged and Sanguine Blade it to death, otherise Red Lotus Blade whenever u don't need heals it's stronger, specially at higher tp, but the fastest SOLO (no alts) kill i've seen was by Buukki, i'd ask him if you wanna get your cleartime lower than 9 minutes, he has a video on YT showcasing Red Lotus > Seraph SC + Stone V MBs and Seraph + Red Lotus + Fire V MB, when wings DT is not up, your bursts will do 25k dmg which adds up pretty quickly, but compared to other strats there are more variables to consider (you might end up interrupting SC sometimes to heal urself etc)
One thing i noticed which drastically reduced my Holy Water usage (like 4-6 used per run usually) was adding subtle blow with chirich rings+1 and bathy choker. I've also tried many times with or without Silence on it, since with Addle II without Silence he'll spend also more time casting rather than using TP moves, finally make sure to Dispel the regain after each Mighty Guard.
Many times with high m.eva you can just resist doom/impact etc tbh.

I don't like the Physical version cause I don't have Nitric Baselard to apply 18% extra def down and even if i had it I just feel the magicWS way is just easier since Sanguine Blade deals decent dmg and works so well. Magic burst on top of MagicWS is top imo, but prone to more risks.

Thanks for the advice guys.

When I said solo I meant using trusts. I don't have another account. I would use Cornelia (when available, like now) and other trusts that can't die like Brygid and that kitty kid etc.

I would follow the method in the videos. I'm thinking they are using Reiki Yotai (DW +7) when TPing and switching to O-Sash for the WSs? Can't see though, as same icon for each. I'm assuming that as they wouldn't need the Eabani earring if they went with DW +10 on cape?

Could try just using DW +10 from cape and TP in O-Sash, freeing up the earrings.

I'm not fussed about the fast time. Just need to be on right track with a win. This is the last HTMB I need to clear.

imho i prefer to use reiki+eabani vs dw+10 cape, reason being Null Cape 50 m.eva, accuracy, macc etc are very very good to help resist dooom/impact/para etc. I value that higher than gaining few extra marginal stats which could easily be invalidated by the need to use panaceas/remedy/holy waters more often.. but that's just me, I really like that I don't use nearly as many medicines anymore.

Yes btw O.Sash for WS and reiki, full malignance gives 26% haste but if you use ayanmo hands for tp (and Adamantite Armor if you put subtle blow in rings/neck) you'll need Alabaster Earring haste to cap XD tbh i tried so many diff sets, they're all kinda similar in terms of results more or less.. just choose one and while you keep killing it, you'll naturally lean towards one according to your playstyle preference

Also yeah trusts all passives: cornelia/moogle/brygid/star sybil/kuyin

Having max duration or close to max debuffs also helps a ton, you can open the fight with Sabo Sleep II and apply everything u want before engaging. I suggest applying Frazzle III first, as rarely without it some debuffs might get half duration resist,
I usually end up only needing to cast DIstract III, Addle ii few others once within 10-11 minutes, while Gravity/Para/slow tend to fall off 2 minutes before i kill it roughly. Remember that empyrean set bonus also increases debuff duration through Composure, and there's also merit category if really needed

My Comments from 2024 on this:

https://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/56102/new-htbf-shinryu-20/40/#3721707


In addition, I have found that dispelling Shinryu's Regain from Mighty Guard is meaningless, because he can use TP moves without TP. If you don't believe me, go in as /NIN and spam shadows while he's silenced. He'll use a TP move every 2-3 attack cycles, which isn't enough attacks to generate TP. Also, because of this, Subtle Blow doesn't do anything on Shinryu.

As far as him not using Doom move as frequently with Subtle Blow set; its completely random. I have had him use nothing but Doom 8 times in a row, daring me to remove the last one so he can use it again. I've seen runs where he's in wings up mode for the entire fight, which makes him die faster, and runs where he does nothing but MG spam and you can't hit him for anything but Enspell damage. What I mean to say is, his behavior is totally random and none of that subtle blow gear you use does anything, I'm almost positive.

I can't speak on resisting the stat down from Impact, because I silence Shinryu, so maybe that is resistable. (Actually, I can't see how you can resist the stat down from Impact either, it lands 100% of the time even on Sortie bosses that have resistance/immunity to Darkness element, but the stat down effects just is subject to duration resist tiers). I still don't see an advantage. You definitely can't resist the stat down from Atomic Ray.

I have two sets, one for with Cornelia, one without.

Pretty standard STP focused set, 4/5 Malignance, Bunzi Hat. I use DW earrings for +9% (Eabani+Suppa) and use a STP Cape. I use Orpheus's Sash + Ayanmo Gloves +2 with Crocea Mors-C, because for the majority of the fight, your main source of damage will be magical. Also, after Shinryu uses Mighty Guard, he will occasionally take 0 physical damage for upwards of a minute, so the additional enspell damage gear helps. I also TP in JSE Neck +2 for the additional Magic Accuracy I presume helps Enspell damage (maybe it doesn't, Anu might be better)

When Cornelia is down, I use a DW cape and also Carmine Legs +1 to cap attack delay. The fight is significantly slower when you only have 30% Haste.

Anyways, I don't think your TP set is far off from what I use, and it matters only a little. The bread and butter I have found for killspeed is to SC+MB Fire MB, but sometimes I am lazy and don't feel like SCing and I just spam Sanguine the entire time when Wings are down, and spam Red Lotus Blade when they are open. Fight is relatively easy, just stand behind him the entire fight, enfeeble, remove enfeebles on yourself, and spam sanguine. Dies in 10+min with low effort.

Ty for the infos and ur video has been inspiring back when i started farming shinryu! Yesterday it dropped me the cloak finally! Btw i'll record one of my runs while going for Knife, i'm sure your infos are correct but a few of them are prob half correct, for example i'm 100% sure you can resist Doom, yesterday i had 1 run where i did resist every single Doom, as to the Impact stat down, I noticed that i NEVER resist it if i directly hug Shinryu, while if i stand 5-6y+ and away from frontal cleaves, I often avoid the stats down entirely, maybe it's an AoE short range centered around the caster? Cause i'm 100% sure i'm both resisting/avoiding doom AND also avoiding the stats down sometimes.
Regarding the subtle blow it's true, now that you mention it i remember that it was the case, i'll remove SB from my set lol.
I guess maybe Saboteur Addle truly helps a lot with reducing Doom land rate? (i always use full m.eva set AND always keep sabo addle2 on it), cause i've noticed in my old attempts when addle would wall off and i reapplied it without Sabo, Doom resist weren't as common.
So yeah, addle won't help slowing its cast, but will help you evade also the para etc.
I usually stay at 5-6+ from it since his hitbox is enormous u can hit it from 7+ as well lol and only run in for Gyve knockback to avoid having it turn (ye.. not anchoring lol)
Most of these are still theories, but it's a fact that i'm using an insignificant amount of holy waters per fight, and i'm avoiding both Doom and the Stats down sometimes!

edit. i'm also 100% sure from the log, when i do resist all stats down or doom, i still get hit for dmg by their relative tp moves! The only TP move damage that i can fully evade are Gyve knockback which won't apply Knockback if indeed the spell hitself misses

I just tried this and didn't resist a single Doom after like 8+ Supernovas. Even applied a Sabo Addle II to reduce Shinryu's magic accuracy. I tried 6+ distance behind, the side, and in front of, never resisted. I don't know what you did or if you're even looking at the correct move. But in over 400 Shinryu VDs, never resisted a single Doom from Supernova (which doesn't really matter anyways, it removes near 100% with Nicander's necklace and Holy Water accessories). I also don't understand why standing a certain distance from Shinryu would affect whether Supernova's doom effect lands. I'd be curious to see the video/gearset you were using when you resisted Doom. But it's inconsequential anyways, just interesting.

I also don't recommend ever standing in front of Shinryu, as you'll be getting hit with Cosmic Breath (8-second stun and Accuracy Down) for no reason.

Grats on your cloak.

yeah
yeah i'm an idiot LOL, I just watched closely my recording, I got tricked by the fact that under 50% he gets the SAME animation basically for both Doom atk or the other, and same is true for the "Impact" TP move.

NVM, I don't resist anything lmao. I must be stupid lucky then with the amounts of doom he chooses to cast on me every single time? XD

BTW ye i never stand in front ofc. The only thing which I see can be avoided is the paralyze/knockback from gyve, silence etc

TLDR = CAN'T AVOID DOOM OR IMPACT STATS DOWN!

Edit: While we're at it, do you know exactly why Cataclysmic Vortex sometimes seems to hit for up to 1700-1800? Is it just HP based? And finally, regarding Dispelling Regain, are we sure none of its TP moves scale dmg with tp?? cause that would be the only reason to dispel Regain if that's the case. I struggle to understand why it has regain in the first place tho if he doesn't care about tp lol

Cataclysm Vortex does a alot of damage with wings open, but reduced somewhat with wings folded but also takes reduced damage in this phase and I think does 2 TP moves during this as well.

These are the people getting Crepuscular Cloak before me. Amazing. (I said this in my forced smile, clenched teeth "I'm fine" face)

Felt a shift in the matrix today. First Shinryu. First/ONLY non-accessory drop in 5 years/lost count of runs



Full Moon algo confirmed

But which direction were you facing when you killed it? :P

If you did them daily I imagine if you spent the same time farming gil and buying the drops from A.M.A.N. you could have bought his full loot pool 2-3 times over.

I am not here claiming to know everything and I promptly admitted when i said bullshits, what are you trying to imply? that "these ppl" aren't deserving the drop compared to u or something? Careful not to become a Crepuscular Grinch. Knowing every single detail or not about this fight doesn't change the fact that you enter and you kill it, stop.

edit: are you tagging/attacking it with th4 gear as well? I often switch into TH4 TP set every now and then while wearing my tinfoil hat. Are you dying to it sometimes cause you overthink off topic things? Blood sacrifices are also important :p

Graaats!
I've done around a bit less than 500 VD runs and I only ever saw 2 non accessory drops:
Two helms.
Both happened not on my solo runs but in two of the few "zerg" runs I did with a couple of friends.
Let them get both helms XD

(The following is tongue-in-cheek humor for the most part, but I have time today)


No, you didn't. You quadruple downed on it and said


You resisted "every single Doom" yesterday? >.>
You had to have read my comment from 2024 on this exact same thing, because on the same page two posts above, you directly mentioned the video I posted where I SC+MB a <7min kill. So it wasn't a lack of information. You didn't produce a single piece of evidence of this besides just your own word on how Doom was resistable. How were you so certain of all of this enough to suggest I was wrong? It's all good, I am incorrect a lot, but saying you are 100% sure of something and having no evidence of it and then change tune when I say I checked and none of that lines up? Really, thats it? Okay xD.


Oh, I have every single right to be the grinch of Shinryu, but I'm saying a lot of my comments tongue-in-cheek, so don't take it personally. Most of the readers here can sense the sarcasm and hate I have for the way Shinryu drops were designed, I've been very consistent with my grouchiness to date. This is not new.

I'm "genuinely happy" for everyone who has gotten a drop directly from Shinryu. This is me every single time someone tells me they got an actual drop from Shinryu:





Bro. You know what? I never once thought about adding TH4 to my Dia/Bio macro, or having a TH toggle. I should have done that after my first 300 runs or so, or maybe I should try it now. I've also never done the fight on THF during exploit dozens of times with max TH. Wow! Do you think I might have gotten the drop sooner had I thought of that? =P

Also nope, I've never been distracted watching Youtube and decided to wait until <3 seconds to remove doom, and then get hit with terror and die before I could holy water. I've never been hit with Cataclysmic Vortex > Stun > (Silence Wears off) > instant Kaustra > dead on next tick. Never offered myself for sacrifice at 1% with Sabo Poison II+Bio 3 and let his health tick down for the win. (I haven't even posted the "Buukki was defeated by Shinryu" count, probably well over 50 runs alone, but I don't have my old harddrive anymore, so my logs are gone)

I really wish I knew it was this easy years ago, would have saved me tons of time! xD

Was it a Full Moon? Yall think im bullshttn

If they fixed that trash drop rate, Id probably bother with the HTMB. Till then, Ill just rely on trove.

It's not as I guess "required" as they saw malignance to be so I doubt they'll ever change it, maybe make a crep box if they saw that was a roaring success, maybe, probably not

Merit refill. OCD when merits are blue and I haven't used them in a while. Kill time between Sortie/Limbus shouts. That kind of thing. Don't even do it for the drop, just idle time while shout watching as a single-box player. After a while you'll see you amassed stacks of REMA stone boxes and THAT was your reward. ; ;

<3

https://github.com/mac10688/WizardstickGearswap/blob/master/RDM.lua

That's my rdm lua.

I definitely was using Osash. I haven't done that fight in a while, 2 years ago I could give you math but I don't remember anymore. I think I did go for dual wield on my cape for faster attacks and that means more enspell damage.

Just make sure you have a good holy water set for this guy. I can get doom off in 1 holy water usually.