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[ZenithXI] A Level 75 Progression Server
By GetHelpNerd 2026-07-07 06:57:59
Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »gameplay
i mean this in the most offensive way possible, if you are playing FFXI for the gameplay/it's combat, there is something genuinely wrong with you.
there's a ton of reasons to play FFXI. the combat is not one of them. FFXI is essentially a mobile game level difficulty social collectors game. those elements are still there at 75 cap.
also every single person i know that played or is playing horizon wouldn't and hasn't touched modern day ffxi with a stick in decades. you assuming that they would is the biggest fallacy i've ever seen and you likely don't know anyone playing it to even attempt to make such an anecdotal *** claim
By Draylo 2026-07-07 07:11:36
Leveling as content, lol. All you need to know
By GetHelpNerd 2026-07-07 07:14:28
Leveling as content, lol. All you need to know most people i know enjoy leveling on most MMOs, there is a reason that developers spend so much time writing story and different elements into quests/etc.
if you don't enjoy the leveling process on FFXI then i'm sorry that happened to you. i don't think you even play at all anymore either though so i'm not sure what content you do enjoy.
By Draylo 2026-07-07 07:18:12
Yeah level syncing to the same 4 areas hitting crabs over and over is such fun riveting content. Can you shill any harder? Who gives a ***what I play or enjoy, it has no bearing on what's being discussed.
It was already mentioned that they could easily go to retail and do an even worse grind but they dont. So much for said content. And "skill ups" as content, holy hell lol. Grasping at absolute straws just to say they got bored and bopped to where their ex freeloader friends are. Most of them are going to quit again so I wouldn't get too comfortable.
By GetHelpNerd 2026-07-07 07:21:27
it's just very very strange to be telling someone they should be using their time playing retail ffxi instead of a private server when you yourself are not even playing retail ffxi.
i had fun chilling in ventrillo back in the day leveling with friends, maybe this is a skill issue for you. skilling up is another one of those archaic garbage FFXI systems so i don't disagree that that is not content.
can you shill any harder?
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By Shiva.Thorny 2026-07-07 07:22:37
Leveling is fun when there are upgrades to pursue and side quests to undertake and a community around the same level to experience the game with. You know, like 75 FFXI had during the days of 5000 player servers before everything had to be optimized to squeeze the most value out of every minute played. I had a great time doing things like Garrison, AF quests and coffer key farms, capped BCNMs, and even silly free spawn NMs of marginal value like Haty or Loxley Bow.
I don't think that's what you really get on private servers. So many of the players are coming back with a knowledge set that makes slowing down and doing the side content feel worthless (if it's even functional on those servers). It's a race to 75 and there aren't anywhere near as many players with progress variety as the real 75 days.
I dunno, I don't think 75 FFXI is an objectively bad game. But, the gameplay itself doesn't stand without player knowledge/attitude comparable to the old days. I don't think that world exists any more.
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By Draylo 2026-07-07 07:23:38
Also FFXI does have way more depth than a mobile game, we know you have hated on it for over a decade now while still playing it over the years. Which is weird honestly. It has more depth in the actual gameplay than a private server version, thats for sure.
And really, you literally just said exp is good content and yet you are saying enjoying retails gameplay means somethings wrong with you.
By Dodik 2026-07-07 07:28:54
Mods, please delete the private server forum section of XIAh. The only person that wanted it is long gone and it only attracts trolls and vitriol.
It adds nothing of value to the site. Be gone with it.
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By Draylo 2026-07-07 07:29:17
it's just very very strange to be telling someone they should be using their time playing retail ffxi instead of a private server when you yourself are not even playing retail ffxi.
i had fun chilling in ventrillo back in the day leveling with friends, maybe this is a skill issue for you. skilling up is another one of those archaic garbage FFXI systems so i don't disagree that that is not content.
can you shill any harder?
So regardless of whatever rumors you like to claim, it has nothing to do with the discussion. Just some veiled jab to try and devalue my opinion. I dont play any private servers, yet I can have my own opinion of them and I'm not going to stop saying them when a discussion comes up just because I've never played on it. I know the content, I know almost everything about it so I'm entitled to my opinion just like you, regardless of what game I currently play.
Aside from that, retail is definitely a way better use of anyone's time. I cant fathom how anyone could enjoy those trash p servers given what we all know
You are literally going to be exping all the time as "content" in the same 4 camps level synced to hell fighting the same garbage. With everyone pretending its the good old days "hi party :))"
Absolutely delusional.
By GetHelpNerd 2026-07-07 07:34:16
Also FFXI does have way more depth than a mobile game, we know you have hated on it for over a decade now while still playing it over the years. Which is weird honestly. It has more depth in the actual gameplay than a private server version, thats for sure.
And really, you literally just said exp is good content and yet you are saying enjoying retails gameplay means somethings wrong with you. i'm not sure what part is hard to understand but i'll lay it out.
EXPing in and of itself is not fun content.
EXPing, in the same way and in my opinion the only way that makes ffxi fun; with friends is fun content. thus why i said --while chilling with friends on ventrillo--
it is a social mobible grinder collectors game.
the only word i'd add in there for modern day ffxi is that it's a social mobile gacha grinder collectors game due to all the daily logins being required.
i think we've figured out draylos problem in the olden days. he had no friends! i'm shocked
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By Asura.Reidden 2026-07-07 07:42:08
I play FFXI because I enjoy the constant min/maxing multiple gearsets on 15+ something jobs, crating and ofc friendsies. EXP can go efff themselves.
By Draylo 2026-07-07 07:45:20
I dont even know what you are referring to at this point, you just quoted me even tho I didnt intend to enter the discussion lol, my phone just keep auto correcting and not allowing all my thoughts but maletaru really summed it all up earlier.
Yeah, the social aspect that you can easily get in retail if you actually look for a group (which you are forced to do on private servers anyway.) Literally in the other thread someone talking about how they like to do sortie and chat with their group, exactly what you're mentioning. Combat in ffxi is part of the fun, its not some brain dead mobile game crap lol. Why wouldnt it be something someone can enjoy? We have a lot more freedome in combat now to enjoy it in various ways, compared to a private server.
I did enjoy all that in the old days actually. This isnt it though.
We all have fond memories of those days, but I agree you won't get that on a private server. It could be argued when it first launched but everyone has every mission done at the top, they have multiple relics, this famed "toau update" probably won't come and if it does it will be a broken pos. They had the benefit of numbers to support the crap "gameplay" (there were many many iterations before this, only this was backed by money) but because they took so long to do anything its so top heavy and all the backwards engineered crap being changed/custom or not working completely just worsens it all imo.
We could go into the ethics of it all while the REAL ffxi exists still and is being supported but we've done this discussion and maletaru pretty much said it all.
Someone will do this case study some day
By GetHelpNerd 2026-07-07 07:54:32
yes it will be an interesting case study for sure.
half the posters on this forum do not have an active subscription(or haven't playted in years) or any vested interest in the game at all. never seen anything like it
edit: another 25% *** endlessly about whatever content SE puts out, be it limbus/sortie/ody.
the other 25% think the game has no flaws and seem to be operating from some form of Stockholm syndrome.
good thing this forum is just a vocal minority. lots of people enjoy the game and are able to acknowledge it's flaws!
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By Shiva.Mewtwo 2026-07-07 08:10:43
Leveling is fun when there are upgrades to pursue and side quests to undertake and a community around the same level to experience the game with. You know, like 75 FFXI had during the days of 5000 player servers before everything had to be optimized to squeeze the most value out of every minute played. I had a great time doing things like Garrison, AF quests and coffer key farms, capped BCNMs, and even silly free spawn NMs of marginal value like Haty or Loxley Bow.
I don't think that's what you really get on private servers. So many of the players are coming back with a knowledge set that makes slowing down and doing the side content feel worthless (if it's even functional on those servers). It's a race to 75 and there aren't anywhere near as many players with progress variety as the real 75 days.
I dunno, I don't think 75 FFXI is an objectively bad game. But, the gameplay itself doesn't stand without player knowledge/attitude comparable to the old days. I don't think that world exists any more.
Actually that's exactly what I found I do get on HorizonXI which was my point and why I felt that feeling with the game that I have missed from retail. Coffer key farming with people to get AF. You will even see people shout for help with AF or level cap quests and people will offer their help. getting people together to farm your AF missions. once you hit certain levels you can then plan to do these farms and don't have to just grind from 1-75. There is much to do in between. You will see avatar fights being shouted for. Eco-warrior, Waking the beast shouts.
Here this is a SS I just took of yells in the quiet part of the day to show a comparison.
And here is Asura's one of the most popular servers.
There is a vast difference and it only gets more active in the next few hours.
But I do agree that people knowing as much as they do about 75 days does take away from a true 75 experiance. Not knowing as much about all the formulas and spawn conditions and certain strategies to fight things did make a big difference when trying to complete content. I don't think that takes too much away from private servers though especially when they also add a lot of custom content and balancing changes to try to replicate that feeling while keeping the game the same as you remember it as much as possible.
Atm they have been doing ISP world boss fights partly to test their besieged system once ToAU gets here in a month but it's basically a random besieged fight that alerts everyone they have popped and last one that popped think there were like 600ish people if not more that all rushed out to go fight it.
Yeah level syncing to the same 4 areas hitting crabs over and over is such fun riveting content. Can you shill any harder? Who gives a ***what I play or enjoy, it has no bearing on what's being discussed.
It was already mentioned that they could easily go to retail and do an even worse grind but they dont. So much for said content. And "skill ups" as content, holy hell lol. Grasping at absolute straws just to say they got bored and bopped to where their ex freeloader friends are. Most of them are going to quit again so I wouldn't get too comfortable.
Not grasping at straws here, This might seem pointless to you since you're given everything on a silver platter now on retail but people enjoyed this aspect of XI. Its a sense of accomplishment one you can form parties with other people and enjoy playing the game.
How horizon does it is you're exp gets nerfed if your 10 levels higher than the level sync so this actually forces players to find players around 10 levels within each other and actually go to different camps.
My first job PLD I went from E.Ronf > Ghelsba Outpost > Dunes > Quifim > Saugh campaing > Meph mountaints > Bibiki bay > Jungle > Citidel > That was only to get to 37 then I went to Crawlers nest > Bost Oubliette > Ifrits Cauldron > Kuftul tunnel > Ulegrand range > Sky parties by 63 to around 70 > Bibiki bay for the final couple levels.
So no you don't know what you're talking about since you never tried it. It's your right to have a say yes but your words hold very little value or weight when you actually don't know. You have always had a personal vendetta against PS's It's well known you do. I use to be in the same mindset. I never played a PS. Use to question what's the point and always said people should just play retail. But there is a reason why people leave retail for PS's so much. Reason it is more streamed on twitch than retail. You don't have to like it but it doesn't change the facts and it wasn't till I actually started playing on HorizonXI did my mindset and feelings about it changed because again. I got to enjoy that feeling again which retail misses these days.
By Draylo 2026-07-07 08:20:50
yes it will be an interesting case study for sure.
half the posters on this forum do not have an active subscription(or haven't playted in years) or any vested interest in the game at all. never seen anything like it
edit: another 25% *** endlessly about whatever content SE puts out, be it limbus/sortie/ody.
the other 25% think the game has no flaws and seem to be operating from some form of Stockholm syndrome.
good thing this forum is just a vocal minority. lots of people enjoy the game and are able to acknowledge it's flaws!
Not everyone who plays posts here, probably not even the majority do. We are an old game
I can’t speak for others but I personally do have an interest in seeing the game succeed and get more updates and new things. I still love this game very much and hope it goes for a long time.
You claim those servers had no influence on harming retail but I would argue they do. Go to any ffxi YouTube video, literally look up 5 videos of any official ffxi retail content video from any creator, you will see these absolute shills in the comments try to persuade anyone they can (most are paid bots) away from retail and to that server. I would say on a smaller game like this that it does have an impact, especially for returning players who return to dead servers and people who came after the XIV raids.
By Draylo 2026-07-07 08:28:15
Leveling is fun when there are upgrades to pursue and side quests to undertake and a community around the same level to experience the game with. You know, like 75 FFXI had during the days of 5000 player servers before everything had to be optimized to squeeze the most value out of every minute played. I had a great time doing things like Garrison, AF quests and coffer key farms, capped BCNMs, and even silly free spawn NMs of marginal value like Haty or Loxley Bow.
I don't think that's what you really get on private servers. So many of the players are coming back with a knowledge set that makes slowing down and doing the side content feel worthless (if it's even functional on those servers). It's a race to 75 and there aren't anywhere near as many players with progress variety as the real 75 days.
I dunno, I don't think 75 FFXI is an objectively bad game. But, the gameplay itself doesn't stand without player knowledge/attitude comparable to the old days. I don't think that world exists any more.
Actually that's exactly what I found I do get on HorizonXI which was my point and why I felt that feeling with the game that I have missed from retail. Coffer key farming with people to get AF. You will even see people shout for help with AF or level cap quests and people will offer their help. getting people together to farm your AF missions. once you hit certain levels you can then plan to do these farms and don't have to just grind from 1-75. There is much to do in between. You will see avatar fights being shouted for. Eco-warrior, Waking the beast shouts.
Here this is a SS I just took of yells in the quiet part of the day to show a comparison.
And here is Asura's one of the most popular servers.
There is a vast difference and it only gets more active in the next few hours.
But I do agree that people knowing as much as they do about 75 days does take away from a true 75 experiance. Not knowing as much about all the formulas and spawn conditions and certain strategies to fight things did make a big difference when trying to complete content. I don't think that takes too much away from private servers though especially when they also add a lot of custom content and balancing changes to try to replicate that feeling while keeping the game the same as you remember it as much as possible.
Atm they have been doing ISP world boss fights partly to test their besieged system once ToAU gets here in a month but it's basically a random besieged fight that alerts everyone they have popped and last one that popped think there were like 600ish people if not more that all rushed out to go fight it.
Yeah level syncing to the same 4 areas hitting crabs over and over is such fun riveting content. Can you shill any harder? Who gives a ***what I play or enjoy, it has no bearing on what's being discussed.
It was already mentioned that they could easily go to retail and do an even worse grind but they dont. So much for said content. And "skill ups" as content, holy hell lol. Grasping at absolute straws just to say they got bored and bopped to where their ex freeloader friends are. Most of them are going to quit again so I wouldn't get too comfortable.
Not grasping at straws here, This might seem pointless to you since you're given everything on a silver platter now on retail but people enjoyed this aspect of XI. Its a sense of accomplishment one you can form parties with other people and enjoy playing the game.
How horizon does it is you're exp gets nerfed if your 10 levels higher than the level sync so this actually forces players to find players around 10 levels within each other and actually go to different camps.
My first job PLD I went from E.Ronf > Ghelsba Outpost > Dunes > Quifim > Saugh campaing > Meph mountaints > Bibiki bay > Jungle > Citidel > That was only to get to 37 then I went to Crawlers nest > Bost Oubliette > Ifrits Cauldron > Kuftul tunnel > Ulegrand range > Sky parties by 63 to around 70 > Bibiki bay for the final couple levels.
So no you don't know what you're talking about since you never tried it. It's your right to have a say yes but your words hold very little value or weight when you actually don't know. You have always had a personal vendetta against PS's It's well known you do. I use to be in the same mindset. I never played a PS. Use to question what's the point and always said people should just play retail. But there is a reason why people leave retail for PS's so much. Reason it is more streamed on twitch than retail. You don't have to like it but it doesn't change the facts and it wasn't till I actually started playing on HorizonXI did my mindset and feelings about it changed because again. I got to enjoy that feeling again which retail misses these days.
People do things in groups and linkshells not shouts. The game never had a big pick up group mentality outside of the VW days. Most of the end game content was done thru linkshells and small groups. So you comparing shouts to a private server is meaningless really when its not the preferred way to do content these days.
Are you really trying to say a private server has more people than retail FFXI? Use your head and leave your bias aside.
Quote: Not grasping at straws here, This might seem pointless to you since you're given everything on a silver platter now on retail but people enjoyed this aspect of XI. Its a sense of accomplishment one you can form parties with other people and enjoy playing the game.
How horizon does it is you're exp gets nerfed if your 10 levels higher than the level sync so this actually forces players to find players around 10 levels within each other and actually go to different camps.
My first job PLD I went from E.Ronf > Ghelsba Outpost > Dunes > Quifim > Saugh campaing > Meph mountaints > Bibiki bay > Jungle > Citidel > That was only to get to 37 then I went to Crawlers nest > Bost Oubliette > Ifrits Cauldron > Kuftul tunnel > Ulegrand range > Sky parties by 63 to around 70 > Bibiki bay for the final couple levels.
So no you don't know what you're talking about since you never tried it. It's your right to have a say yes but your words hold very little value or weight when you actually don't know. You have always had a personal vendetta against PS's It's well known you do. I use to be in the same mindset. I never played a PS. Use to question what's the point and always said people should just play retail. But there is a reason why people leave retail for PS's so much. Reason it is more streamed on twitch than retail. You don't have to like it but it doesn't change the facts and it wasn't till I actually started playing on HorizonXI did my mindset and feelings about it changed because again. I got to enjoy that feeling again which retail misses these days.
lol those sense of accomplishment are still avaiable in retail, you don't need skill up points for it. So yes you are grasping at straws to include "content" to bolster your terrible decision in wasting your time playing there.
Yeah, so multiple that by how many jobs there are in the game that you wanna play. You are endlessly going to the same or similar camps, I know the game like the back of my hand and even in that era. So while they may have made adjustments to try to force people to go elsewhere, at the end of the day you are going to end up fighting in the same camps killing the same crap over and over. I've shared many videos also where people sit for hours waiting for a replacement, this is the riveting content you are advertising for.
Yes I do know what I'm talking about, just because you got bored and all of a sudden you're about that PS life with all your cool besties back playing again, you are just in the illusion. They will all quit again for sure, that TOAU won't be coming or in any workable situation for a long time. You will get bored again too, so keep shilling for it while you can, I hope its worth it.
By GetHelpNerd 2026-07-07 08:38:03
You claim those servers had no influence on harming retail but I would argue they do. Go to any ffxi YouTube video, literally look up 5 videos of any official ffxi retail content video from any creator, you will see these absolute shills in the comments try to persuade anyone they can (most are paid bots) away from retail and to that server. I would say on a smaller game like this that it does have an impact, especially for returning players who return to dead servers and people who came after the XIV raids.
likewise if I go to any private server video on youtube I see you schizophrenically posting about retail ffxi. there was also a time where i was hearing you were going into private server streams and doing the same thing.
but yeah, more anecdotes. aren't you friends with Cair and his group? ask him why he plays horizon instead of retail. many people make this same decision, it has nothing to do with youtube comments. they are not interested in the retail version.
the delusion here around this topic is insanity. no one i know that plays the game is too cheap for the absurd $18/month it requires at a minimum to play retail ffxi. no one i know would be playing retail ffxi if private servers were turned off. none of you making this claim know anyone playing these private servers, you're arguing from an anecdotal point of view that you don't even have anecdotes for.
By Draylo 2026-07-07 08:44:47
I don't know why every time you try to debate people you go for personal attacks or use some kind of personal information to try and devalue peoples opinions. Why does it matter who I know and what games they are playing?
That is just another indication that what I am saying is true, and what maletaru said on the last page. These private servers do nothing except hurt retail, the real FFXI. In any form you look at it. While you think it has nothing to do with youtube comments its a sum of it all. They had a huge ad push to prop up the numbers of this free server, all the "cool kids" made a billion videos shilling for this server (which btw, 90% of those people quit.) Then they do anything possible to keep the numbers up. Its why nobody gave two craps about any private server before this one.
Nothing new was introduced, nothing about this is a new concept. It just has money and "popularity" behind it. I can't count how many fake streamers I had pinned thru their ad push.
I only go to videos labeled "FFXI", which strangely enough 90% of these ***servers label themselves as such for click bait. Leaving a comment that takes me seconds to post and rarely, seldomly as I drink coffee in the morning, doesn't really seem schizophrenic to me. Constantly hating on a game for over a decade, that you still played (I don't even care to know your personal life to know if you still do) is weirder to me.
Do most of these people wasting their free time on a free private server care about the real FFXI? Maybe not, but I don't see why that should influence my opinion. Nobody here is making a call to action, only giving their opinions. Let them play that trash and pretend they are in their utopia. I will still give my opinion wherever I want.
There is no delusion, if people care about the real game and they perceive this as a threat in any way of course they will give their opinions. You know that too, you just like to hate on FFXI for over a decade now lol.
By GetHelpNerd 2026-07-07 08:46:53
almost nothing you posted is substantiated. i don't hate ffxi, i think it has some really bad design decisions but so do all games. you clearly live in your own world. i hope it's cozy there
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By Shiva.Mewtwo 2026-07-07 08:51:23
It's funny you try to call me bias lol. I loved retail henced I played it for 20+ years. I defended retail countless times. I even said I had the exact same mindset about PS's for the longest time and yeah I did get bored of retail and a couple friends twisted my arm to try and you know what. I have 0 regrets. I have had more fun and adventures and laughs with Horizon in the 2 years I've played it then I have had with retail in the last 8+ years.
You "know the game like the back of your hand"? umm you legit just said the exact same 4 camps which was far from true. You have obviously forgot the feeling that even thorny has admitted to enjoying back in the day. You also said most content was done through LS's and small groups. That is also not true, many times I will see pickup groups for dynamis, Divine Might, Eco-Warrior, waking the beast, Avatar fights, ISP farming, AF farming, EXP / Merit point/ Skilling up / Weapon break parties, People shouting to do ENMs, KSNMs, BCNMs, CoP / Zilart missions and tons more content, Then with ToAU next month there will be more to do.
People are constantly shouting to do content like they did in retail back in 75 days which you don't see anymore. I literally saw someone shouting where fire weather was in case someone needed to unlock SMN. This is what FFXI community use to be and it's not what it is anymore on retail no matter how much you lie to yourself and pretend you know more than you do. Cause you have just blatantly been straight up wrong multiple times and then said you "Know the game like the back of your hand"
That says it all right there why your words hold no value and you just want to argue for the sake of it. I'm not trying to convince anyone to play. If you don't want to then don't it's obviously not for everyone but you're just making ***up about it that you don't know what you're talking about.
By LanceXI 2026-07-07 08:53:02
But I honestly wish the Zenith team all the luck on their project. As long as they enjoy what they are doing then that's all that matters.
Thank you. I appreciate that.
I hope we can build something that lasts. It would mean a lot if 10 years from now Zenith is still a community people enjoy being part of.
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By Draylo 2026-07-07 09:02:16
almost nothing you posted is substantiated. i don't hate ffxi, i think it has some really bad design decisions but so do all games. you clearly live in your own world. i hope it's cozy there
Yeah, its no secret. You literally spent the better part of over 10 years literally shitting on this game and its content and especially its players that enjoy it. You are still doing it even to this day, claiming people who enjoy the combat "genuinely have something wrong with them" that is exactly the type of stuff you have been saying for over 10 years lol. To me that is weird, but I am not here to judge you, I rarely ever use it in any debate or discussion I have with you. But you constantly bring up the weirdest personal stuff that has nothing to do with the topic at all, just to devalue someones opinion lol. The main reason people like Radial used sock accounts.
It's funny you try to call me bias lol. I loved retail henced I played it for 20+ years. I defended retail countless times. I even said I had the exact same mindset about PS's for the longest time and yeah I did get bored of retail and a couple friends twisted my arm to try and you know what. I have 0 regrets. I have had more fun and adventures and laughs with Horizon in the 2 years I've played it then I have had with retail in the last 8+ years.
You "know the game like the back of your hand"? umm you legit just said the exact same 4 camps which was far from true. You have obviously forgot the feeling that even thorny has admitted to enjoying back in the day. You also said most content was done through LS's and small groups. That is also not true, many times I will see pickup groups for dynamis, Divine Might, Eco-Warrior, waking the beast, Avatar fights, ISP farming, AF farming, EXP / Merit point/ Skilling up / Weapon break parties, People shouting to do ENMs, KSNMs, BCNMs, CoP / Zilart missions and tons more content, Then with ToAU next month there will be more to do.
People are constantly shouting to do content like they did in retail back in 75 days which you don't see anymore. I literally saw someone shouting where fire weather was in case someone needed to unlock SMN. This is what FFXI community use to be and it's not what it is anymore on retail no matter how much you lie to yourself and pretend you know more than you do. Cause you have just blatantly been straight up wrong multiple times and then said you "Know the game like the back of your hand"
That says it all right there why your words hold no value and you just want to argue for the sake of it. I'm not trying to convince anyone to play. If you don't want to then don't it's obviously not for everyone but you're just making ***up about it that you don't know what you're talking about.
Yeah you are 100% biased. You were burnt out and bored with retail, probably your crew disbanded or your friend quit. You then completely devoted yourself to a private server. If you don't see the bias, its quite obvious no?
I'm glad you have fun, good for you. We all waste our free time in various ways don't we. It just a shame you decided to shill and advertise for something that hurts the real FFXI, I hope its still there when you get bored of that game.
Yeah are you really going to take my exact words when you know what I'm talking about ? It not FOUR EXACT CAMPS. Its basically the same crap, you are fighting crabs, worms, crawlers and random x mob on repeat per job. You know its true so don't even try, Qufim and Dunes are notorious for exactly that thru every private server. Most of those players quit before they even make it past that point.
FFXI was way more than 75 era, everything you are describing is dinky mid level content which was mostly phased out after Abyssea. Which is normal when MMOs become top heavy, which is already happening there. That isn't done today in the same way, just like you admitted. Most are done in groups or linkshells or solo.
I saw people shouting on retail like that too, anecdotes are cute.
I don't care if you think my words have no value, I think yours don't either. Cool posts.
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2026-07-07 09:03:42
no one i know would be playing retail ffxi if private servers were turned off. a couple friends twisted my arm to try
Found one.
Those shouts really are interesting. Must be fun to spend 20 minutes (plus however long it took after this chat log cut off) shouting for a party member for an EXP party. Riveting.
Almost as fun as forming a group to hunt a coffer key. Holy ***, I can't imagine such a fun gameplay experience.
Or I could skillup. Wow, I can't fathom having such a fun time.
If I happen to be on exactly CoP 8-4 I could do that, or Promy-Vahzl, or Sandy mission 6-1.
So many options, what a smorgasbord of different content to do. I secretly wish my FFXI experience could be this peak.
Shiva.Mewtwo
Serveur: Shiva
Game: FFXI
Posts: 64
By Shiva.Mewtwo 2026-07-07 09:04:25
But I honestly wish the Zenith team all the luck on their project. As long as they enjoy what they are doing then that's all that matters.
Thank you. I appreciate that.
I hope we can build something that lasts. It would mean a lot if 10 years from now Zenith is still a community people enjoy being part of.
And that is the best mindset to have. I was just being honest with you. It won't be easy to compete with some other PS's but just keep having fun with it and then it's never a waste even if it doesn't work out. But who really knows, maybe it will! GL
By GetHelpNerd 2026-07-07 09:08:34
almost nothing you posted is substantiated. i don't hate ffxi, i think it has some really bad design decisions but so do all games. you clearly live in your own world. i hope it's cozy there
To me that is weird, but I am not here to judge you, I rarely ever use it in any debate or discussion I have with you. But you constantly bring up the weirdest personal stuff that has nothing to do with the topic at all, just to devalue someones opinion lol. The main reason people like Radial used sock accounts.
you bring this up every time we interact. as i said, i hope the reality you live in is cozy
By GetHelpNerd 2026-07-07 09:09:18
Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »no one i know would be playing retail ffxi if private servers were turned off. a couple friends twisted my arm to try
Found one.
did 2 seconds of research and it looks like he plays both. NEXT.
Carbuncle.Maletaru
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Game: FFXI
Posts: 4361
By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2026-07-07 09:12:20
Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »no one i know would be playing retail ffxi if private servers were turned off. a couple friends twisted my arm to try
Found one.
did 2 seconds of research and it looks like he plays both. NEXT.
Was your 2 seconds of research seeing that he has done 2 transactions in the last year on FFXI, both during a free login campaign? Because you might want to work on your critical thinking skills, if so.
By GetHelpNerd 2026-07-07 09:14:57
Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »no one i know would be playing retail ffxi if private servers were turned off. a couple friends twisted my arm to try
Found one.
did 2 seconds of research and it looks like he plays both. NEXT.
Was your 2 seconds of research seeing that he has done 2 transactions in the last year on FFXI, both during a free login campaign? Because you might want to work on your critical thinking skills, if so.
sounds and looks like he has experienced retail ffxi and most components of it and is choosing horizon. i don't think this is the win you think it is little guy
Shiva.Mewtwo
Serveur: Shiva
Game: FFXI
Posts: 64
By Shiva.Mewtwo 2026-07-07 09:20:33
Again Yeah you are 100% biased. You were burnt out and bored with retail, probably your crew disbanded or your friend quit. You then completely devoted yourself to a private server. If you don't see the bias, its quite obvious no?
I'm glad you have fun, good for you. We all waste our free time in various ways don't we. It just a shame you decided to shill and advertise for something that hurts the real FFXI, I hope its still there when you get bored of that game.
Yeah are you really going to take my exact words when you know what I'm talking about ? It not FOUR EXACT CAMPS. Its basically the same crap, you are fighting crabs, worms, crawlers and random x mob on repeat per job. You know its true so don't even try, Qufim and Dunes are notorious for exactly that thru every private server. Most of those players quit before they even make it past that point.
FFXI was way more than 75 era, everything you are describing is dinky mid level content which was mostly phased out after Abyssea. Which is normal when MMOs become top heavy, which is already happening there. That isn't done today in the same way, just like you admitted. Most are done in groups or linkshells or solo.
I saw people shouting on retail like that too, anecdotes are cute.
I don't care if you think my words have no value, I think yours don't either. Cool posts.
Again you think you know what you're talking about but you don't. LOL I tried multiple times to come back to retail in the last couple years. Even made new characters to play with and still had friends that played retail. so no I didn't completely devote myself to a PS. I just couldn't lie to myself anymore that Retail was not what it use to be and I was having far more fun on Horizon.
Horizon isn't perfect it has it's issues yes but nothing is perfect. You got to stop thinking that people playing on a PS is hurting retail. I understand your concerns but even without PS's I still wouldn't play retail anymore and majority of PS players feel the same. SE hurt retail with their choices the game design changes they made. XI stopped being the game many PS players fell in love with and enjoyed playing.
I said this before but OSRS will always be the perfect example. Even WoW went and did Classic WoW because they saw the desire for it and both cases were very successful. Unfortunately SE never wanted to and so fans made their own. So you can keep thinking PS players are hurting retail by not playing retail but that's on SE and not the community.
That's like going into a shop and the customer not buying some overly expensive item that's not worth the money and then blaming the customer for hurting the company that made it. No the company *** themselves with a product that's not worth it.
By Draylo 2026-07-07 09:23:42
IDK what is even the point right now. It's like you two are trying to compare both games and say horizon (which isn't even this thread discussion LOL) is better and has more people. Then in the same breath you say that it has 0 impact on the real FFXI. You literally have this guy Mewtwo advertising for the server on here.
The server is free, of course you will see a bunch of boppers on there shouting for useless garbage while they pretend they are back in their golden days "HI PARTY ^0^". I find it funny they claim EXP is riveting content and SKILL UPS, but they refuse to team up for EXP on retail or do anything in groups like devs intended. Just going with the popularity of a free trash server that copied everything it has from the real game. Its a travesty against the beautiful art that is FFXI, the real game.
This is why I say you could do a whole case study, and just in the next thread someone complaining people don't team up or they just multi box. There are def a lot of factors influencing retail FFXI, and in a bad way. I mostly blame SE, but none of this helps which is why people have strong opinions on it of course.
I think it will be the worst thing to experience in the later years of this games life. The fact you have people literally saying a dinky private server is the real FFXI, and advertising for it across various platforms. What an absolute shame.
Hello everyone,
Please keep this discussion respectful and on topic. Avoid turning this thread into unproductive arguments or using it solely to post negative remarks.
ZenithXI is a progression server currently in development, built on the Land Sand Boat emulator. Starting with the original level 50 cap and no expansion access. Over time the level and crafting caps will increase to 75 and 100, respectively, alongside expansion releases. We plan to thoughtfully explore content beyond the 75 Era, reworking and scaling it back while emphasizing horizontal progression. Our vision is to reimagine the game while staying grounded in the foundation of modern retail XI, carefully tailoring customizations and avoiding excessive custom content. The goal is to recapture that sense of wonder and nostalgia while staying true to the spirit of the 75 Era. Era serves as our guide but it does not dictate every choice we make.
The server will be single box, with retail movement speed (50), Era XP, no mounts, retail merits (some adjusted), a maximum of two rebalanced trusts (second unlocked and summoned at level 50), home point warps disabled, Explorer Moogle enabled (After nation rank 3), Survival Guide warps disabled, FoV/GoV rewards once per game day with no Prowesses, no Login Points or Records of Eminence, Claim Shield active on all NMs, and force spawn kings from KSNMs. Many out of era traits and abilities will be included but scaled down. NMs such as Chonchon or Highlander Lizard will be available from launch and not removed. Food and equipment are undergoing a global evaluation and rebalancing while maintaining respect for the traditional hierarchy and progression.
Certain mechanics will be adjusted from their current retail boosts to better reflect 75 Era standards. System customizations are planned, including some inspired from WingsXI. Namely improved auto target or spell queueing. Which reduces the latency penalty between spells being rejected with "you must wait longer". Additionally, a slight compounding PH spawn rate that increases until the NM spawns, then resets. A single lottery NM should not take most of your day. We are striving to balance modest QoL changes with modern convenience.
Roadmaps will be shared at regular intervals. Giving players clear timelines to look forward to as we roll out planned developments.
As an active fork of LSB, we will be developing and submitting retail accurate content upstream. While modularizing over certain aspects to better meet Era standards. The project will be mixed-source with select modules that are neither retail or 75 Era compliant, kept proprietary. ZenithXI does not seek to be a closed-source server. The XI community should strive to advance the emulator together, sharing knowledge and submissions collaboratively.
Interested players are welcome to join the ZenithXI subreddit and our Discord.
Recruitment
We're looking for developers of all skill levels to help bring this project to life. There are also other roles available for those who may not have development skills but still want to contribute.
Please let us know if you are interested in representing the server as a Community Representative. Designated Community Representatives will play a crucial role as our primary point of public contact. In line with the Code of Conduct, all other staff members should only interact with players through tickets, bug reports, official announcements, or within Mordion Gaol.
Those interested in becoming a future GM are encouraged to submit a formal request. Please note that all use of GM commands will be monitored and forwarded to the rest of the staff. To safeguard against potential corruption, GMs will not have access to development channels or discussions.
If you are interested in joining the team, please submit a ticket through our Discord.
I am incredibly excited for the future of this project and can’t wait to see what we will achieve together.
Sincerely,
Lance, director of ZenithXI
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Here is a link to the latest progress report on our subreddit.
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