Limbus 2025
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Limbus 2025
I was going to mention something about buffs but Buukki beat me to it; summarized it perfectly. Buffs are standard when you have jobs that do buffing. I've spent more time on cor and geo since limbus came out than I had in a while, and I even spent the past two months gearing bard so I could increase my support versatility. Supports do buffing. It's what they're there for. As much as I enjoy playing my DD jobs I'm more than happy to play support if it makes the run go faster. I want my limbus runs to be clean, fast, and efficient, and if that means I'm blowing bubbles, rolling dice, or yoedeling at the moon I'm all over it.
For the record, I don't advocate using Hoxne ampulla for random stuff if you can't afford it. I do because I play only a few hours a week, so I enjoy what I can while I do it. Not needed, but just my preference. Makes certain jobs a lot more entertaining and opens up new gear builds. Anyways, all experiences does not need to be standard. Limbus sucks regardless. Wish it was 30 min max. Can't wait for the floor reduction.
Ampulla MNK is nuts in Limbus. But it cost me 700k for a Temenos clear and going SAM WAR DRG is similar enough while free.
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My limbus runs are just triboxing 135 with SAM BRD COR in 45-50 mins while watching something more interesting on the other monitor. I haven't done a single climb in 2026, though.
You know it's bad when Sterk, the innovator and Aminon savant, has zero interest in Limbus climbing.
I dont mind the climbs, its much less boring than Sortie. Its the absolute dogshit time:reward ratio.
Its trash, you know its trash. Heres what similar 3 month time investment gets you: Sortie - stage 4 prime and a couple pieces of Emp+3 Limbus - 2 R30 armor pieces if you get all the mannequins and are in the primary DPS alliance on the CN mobs. Don't make me defend Limbus. But you CAN acquire artifact and relic gear from it. So there are intermediate and long term goals, similar to Sortie with Empyrean. 9b starts to feel like a job after a while and you're invested into the next stage of your prime, so you can't quit. The reward at the end of Sortie is better, but I'm not convinced the grind to reward ratio is definitively better. The next stage after 4-prime is miserable comparably. So it kind of evens out going from 4-5, or finishing next few pieces to r30 Limbus gear.
What's kind of humorous to me is their recent quote about wanting to reduce the amount of times you need to do the content, as their reasoning for reducing floors and making Temenos??? Easier. That tells you they know Limbus is a miserable grind. Imagine a software company that knows their product is terrible and they said "the goal is to reduce the amount of times you log into the app". Lol
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: » But you CAN acquire artifact and relic gear from it. Some analysis from the JP side lists 10 must upgrade, 29 worth upgrading, 17 only absolute min-maxers should upgrade. So only about 15% of the AF/Relic is actually worth +4ing, the 17 min-maxers pieces from the JP list are not part of that ~15%. Burning units on shitty upgrades that will give you zero additional performance, when a lot of people are complaining about being short of units (somehow, I dont get it), probably not a wise decision, idk. With a few exceptions (BLU,?) empy also wasn't all BiS for every piece so it's usually always been mix and match. Maybe it wasn't the best strategy from SE to release empy upgrades before relic and af as empy seems to be better overall but empy is only +3 so they kind of had to.
BLU got +2% WSD on a body and legs, probably uninteresting if you already maxed out nyame but keep in mind this content isn't aiming for that group of players. Assimilator's Charuqs +4 for instance have 52 AGI and 132 EVA and there are now enough -PDT and -DT options to still cap at 50 or get really close. I think the next best options are gletis with 33 AGI and 125 EVA max augmented or malignance with 49 AGI and 119 EVA. I think relic and af excel in ACC, ATT, EVA and MACC. The thing is ACC and MACC are only interesting when you're uncapped, EVA is very niche and ATT doesn't add much value anymore when it isn't coupled with other stats like PDL and multi attack during TP or PDL, WSDmg, maybe SCDmg during WS. Overall the upgrades/rewards are there but those sets strengths aren't as exciting anymore. Limbus is very repetitive, in particular too grindy for the stretch goals and every individual run takes too long. The worst part is it's as if it was designed in a vacuum, like the devs forgot there are already several other activities that demand the players daily attention. Shichishito said: » ith a few exceptions (BLU,?) empy also wasn't all BiS for every piece I agree, I think it's fair to say that on average empy is and always was stronger than AF and Relic, as I mentioned:
Shichishito said: » Maybe it wasn't the best strategy from SE to release empy upgrades before relic and af as empy seems to be better overall I don't know what they thought with the augmented armor though, considering how grindy the process is they must view it as the REMA of armors or something. Either way, if they get away with this, and they do if a sizeable amount of players does the event, then the stretch goal for the next event for sure isn't going to get shorter on day one. A considerable amount of af and relic would've been very much worth to upgrade, greatly increasing the numbers nynja reported before (numbers with which I agree a lot) if only the +4 upgrades were done the right way. Individual adjustments to pieces and increases to ALL STATS. Not 3 of them plus adding eva/meva.
Altough a couple of pieces might have become too op? Maybe. But making 95% of upgrades ***because you're afraid of that is pretty stupid so I hope that wasn't their main reason. Limbus isn't keeping me subbed, that's all I'm saying. 30min runs or 20min runs even.
And I've been capped on points since forever so everything gets a +4. You get a +4, you get a +4.. Carbuncle.Nynja said: » Lakshmi.Buukki said: » But you CAN acquire artifact and relic gear from it. Some analysis from the JP side lists 10 must upgrade, 29 worth upgrading, 17 only absolute min-maxers should upgrade. So only about 15% of the AF/Relic is actually worth +4ing, the 17 min-maxers pieces from the JP list are not part of that ~15%. Burning units on shitty upgrades that will give you zero additional performance, when a lot of people are complaining about being short of units (somehow, I dont get it), probably not a wise decision, idk. I'm not disputing that the long term/short term rewards from Sortie are better than Limbus, they clearly are. What I am saying is that both Limbus and Sortie offer rewards for all groups of players. Whether we believe these upgrades are "worth it" or not is kind of irrelevant (SE doesn't care). But even if we go that route, then the difficulty factor and accessibility factor of each event must be taken into consideration. You can only farm Empyrean once per day. You can only farm Primes once per day (and are "punished" if you miss that day). Sortie is also harder than Limbus. So naturally, the reward scale for Sortie should be greater than the rewards from Limbus, because the former appeals to a narrower audience and is less accessible. Limbus is accessible to everyone, all of the time. You have a week to do your climbs. So if the short-term rewards (or even long-term Limbus sets) for Limbus aren't that great compared to a Prime weapon, it's because it's commensurate with the difficulty level of the content. Empyrean by FAR > Relic/Artifact, but it's also harder to farm based on what previously mentioned. It's clear to me they designed Sortie a lot harder than Limbus because of the rewards and time gate, and the reverse also is true in that the rewards from Limbus are not as great as Sortie for the effort required (grind notwithstanding). Seriously, Lakshmi.Buukki said: » Don't make me defend Limbus. Taint said: » Ampulla MNK is nuts in Limbus. But it cost me 700k for a Temenos clear and going SAM WAR DRG is similar enough while free. MNK is a checkbook because you swing twice. NIN likewise, but NIN benefits less from Ampulla and I was not impressed, even if it is an increase. SAM/WAR don't need to bother with it unless SAM is looking to exploit hybrids. DRG is easy because one jump puts you at TP to WS in the right set with SAM roll, so you're not spending nearly as much in short fights. Whereas MNK's entire TP phase is swinging, so you will burn through cash. DRK doesn't spend too much money comparably, because Scythe gains a ton of TP/swing. I wouldn't play MNK with Ampulla if money was a problem. |
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