Please God Give Us More Equipsetsets

Please God give us more equipsets.

Not enough lockstyle sets?

Precisely!!

I actually convinced someone to use gearswap just on the argument they would have more lockstyle options

That's what drove me to use gearswap ultimately, probably wouldn't have if there were 500+ equipsets to use. I enjoyed making new unique sets, but after they finally released another 100, I quickly ran out of space, due to all of the variations of sets I could now make that I could not before. With equipsets, I had to make a lot of combined sets for jobs that share similar gear (MNK/NIN/SAM, PUP/BST, PUP/MNK, RDM/SCH/GEO/BLM etc). It turned into a mess where I would have to spend a few minutes every time I changed into a new job double checking my equipsets to make sure there wasn't gear from another job in there (change the FC cape from <job> to <job>), because I didn't have the space to make a distinct set for that specific job. It was more of a chore than anything and decided with higher tiers of Odyssey Gaol bosses that it was not worth it to keep maintaining.

For QoL I have many more priorities than this. Being able to hold 90 merits or making Shinryu and cod 25 each instead of 30 is high up there.

Yeah of course you do. But if you had every single item from HTBF, you wouldn't care about how many merits you can hold xD.

Everyone has different QOL priorities depending on what they spend their time doing in the game.

(And I don't think the idea of being able to clap with your eyes closed is too challenging of an ask; The Dev team could certainly pass two or three things at once if they wanted to, doesn't have to be either-or)

+1

I cannot gear nin, sch, blm, or bst properly strictly due to lack of gearsets.

As a psychopath completionist that only plays vanilla, I hate saying there are some jobs I can't play effectively.

Good luck joining a party on NIN where the WHM asks you to please stop blinking, but you can't because your shuriken swaps to a FC or WS ammo every single time you cast or do an action (throwing to non-throwing makes you blink(no, /lockstyle doesnt fix this, don't bring it up)), because the WHM doesn't know what <stpt> is, so now you have to go through 3-5 of your sets mid-fight to remove your ammo swaps so you stop blinking for the WHM, otherwise, they will just think you're being a jerk and ignoring them when you say "I can't stop blinking"

Eh...effectively is a subjective term and I'd argue that losing 2% fast cast on ninjutsu isn't playing ineffectively.

I am getting close to running out of equipsets at around 11 jobs, but that's without pruning anything and having no shared sets among jobs (very neat idea!)

I know a lot of people talk about how they NEED to be able to play all 22 jobs 10000% efficiently with 50 different toggles and 15 engaged sets and if SE doesn't allow them to do that within the confines of the wardrobes/macros/equipsets provided, with no storage used, every dev should be put into a wood chipper feet first but idk...I don't think the game is set up for a single character to play every job perfectly effectively all at once. I've heard the arguments and they're unconvincing.

One guy I play with has macros & equipsets stored on the server so when he needs to play XYZ jobs, he has to log off and load those jobs' settings. Not for me but...it is an option if you're a psychopath.

Don't get me wrong, it's absolutely possible to get the most out of your sets if you are super organized with the allotted 200, and perhaps even take it a step further and document all of your gear on a spreadsheet. I just never took it that far, and I am also not the most organized person to really make the most of it.

It started with "FC-light dd" sets where all of the accessories were thrown into a set that all jobs could use (BLU, COR, RNG, THF etc), and then I added ones with limited jobs (carmine mask, feet >>downgrade to Taeon, etc). This worked for a good bit. Then idle sets crept their way in. Then WS sets (i.e. smite set with PUP + MNK is similar, or you can downgradde to Mpaca and call it a day). The issue is once I started wanting to get real specific with sets with Gaol V20+ clears, I found myself having to delete other sets to make room (i.e. if I want a specific set for tanking on BLU for Bumba V25, I might have to delete my THF am3 set to make room). Or for jobs where casting spell goes off before I can get out of my FC, I had to make partial FC sets or input too many other conditions to make it work. After a while of trying to optimize, it started to become a tangled mess trying to keep track of it all, because then if I go back to playing DRK or THF or whatever, I may have forgotten I deleted my non-ilvl scarlet delirium w/e set and would hit my macro and nothing would happen. Vanilla is just not set up for that kind of optimization or efficiency.

I concede that I got to the point where I was taking it quite far and no normal person should try to optimize that much (though I knew of a vanilla guy that was way worse than me), but that's the joy I got out of FFXI and what makes it unique vs other games, being able to enhance your playstyle through more sets and features.

Anyways, my point was that you can totally work within the 200 sets and be "fine". You won't ever be able to "optimize" the way gearswap can, and there's no way to compete with that. The example I gave with the FC ammo on NIN was just a small but annoying instance where there were no answers to the problem short of gimping yourself (and it's not just 2% fc, also applies to WS too, but I digress). But I don't believe adding more equipsets will hurt anyone.

Something else I should add about the whole "play a lot of jobs thing" that I think people ignore: I personally don't multibox, nor do I have alts besides storage mules. Some people can run around with 2-3 characters where one is the "mage", the other is the "support", "dd", "tank" and so forth. It's easy for some people who have the freedom to spread their jobs across multiple characters to say "you don't need a <equipset> set for <purpose>", while gaining the advantage of some external buff or support that their primary job does not provide, so of course the specific set isn't necessary. A true solo player may have to build a set to allow them to even clear something that a multiboxer otherwise wouldn't have to worry about, because they can just power through it or heal past it or have another character eat it. It's much harder fitting various sets on one character vs spreading them across multiple. So if you play a number of jobs and enjoy keeping them up to date, if they are all on the same account, it gets problematic with space from a vanilla perspective.

I'd love another page of them. I play most jobs but also have different macro sets for boxing.

I wrote gearswap before equipsets existed, but the big driver for it over spellcast for me was that it would keep working with my chat log open.

FFXI endgame is the LS repartee and all the battle content is just something to do while you talk. I gotta be chatting.

I don't disagree and I don't hyperfreak on every single aspect of every single job, but I am forced to limit things way further then I should.

Drk sets? Pdt, accuracy, tp, multi-ws, 1-hit ws. That's it.
No space left for fast cast > nukes (which is actually a real problem.).

Some jobs I do fully hyperfreak on, though.
Thf sets? Pdt, tank, Eva, ullr, ra-ws. Sa-1hitws, multiws, tp glass, tp hybrid, free-1hitws, magical ws, fast cast, sird, etc etc etc.
Required sets to manage all aspects of brd standard expectations of all situations? Yeah. Not easy.

It requires 4 full pallets of macros...I honestly couldn't begin to count the equipsets.

You can't be serious.

guy said fast cast > nukes for drk lol

I'll continue to stand by my point that nobody needs to play all 22 jobs, much less have them all available at the drop of a hat, but putting that aside for now, even if you want to play all 22 at once, that's 9 equipsets per job. The idea that you can only use 5 for DRK is...a bit strange, TBH.

Some jobs definitely "require" more equipsets and your "budget" per job could go down, but there are also some jobs that very much don't.

I would never doubt that, for some people thats all they do and think they're top dog. big gap between a well geared player who half *** sets and some one actually using the gear well.

What realistic scenario is drk casting a T3 nuke?

That would be exactly 2% inefficient. Objectively speaking.

Well, it's a good thing the guy i was replying to didn't say efficiently, and I didn't respond using the word efficient either. Effective has a very different meaning and I think it's very easy to play effectively without maximizing fast cast on nin.

You don't need to be anywhere near 100% efficient to play effectively. This distinction basically proves my point. Plus, the human element of making the right decisions, communicating, positioning, etc. Are vastly more important than whether or not you have 3 different resist tiers for your free nukes on BLM, or 3 dedicated sets for landing frazzle 2 based on the opponent's MND.

2% less effective, if you want to nitpick semantics.

Uh... they're kind of different words. You may notice how efficient is effective but also quick, organized, or makes good use of time.

You can play a job in ffxi effectively without being perfectly efficient. Case and point: nobody is perfectly efficient, but they're able to effectively achieve their goals.

Saying
Has a very different meaning to:

I'm sorry if you think these words mean the same thing. They do not. You cannot use them interchangeably.

Word etymology does not change the fact missing 2% fast cast is 2% less effective than not missing 2% FC.

Being 2% less effective doesn't change the fact that you're still playing the job effectively.

Also 2% FC =/= 2% effectiveness on a job, because you spend a VAST, VAST majority of your time not casting spells. It's probably more like .001% less effective, in reality.

Can play the job effectively just fine, absolutely.

Just 2% less effectively than the other person.

By implying that removing 2% fast cast makes the job 2% less effective, then that implies that 100% of job efficacy is tied to fast cast%. Which doesnt even make sense because fast cast caps at 80%.

You're smarter than that.