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 Asura.Nefertarii
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By Asura.Nefertarii 2024-12-21 12:10:06
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zixxer said: »
Amazing, fantastic job everyone! You're all doing the lords work and an easy to digest writeup. Could Last Stand be replaced with Terminus at all or was Last Stand hitting harder?

I think terminus is better at higher TP, but the 500 TP bonus from the fomalhaut allows you spam more WS at low TP levels. With correct buffs they are hitting close to cap, so this is the better loadout for the physical damage mobs.
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By Phoenix.Gavroches 2024-12-21 12:22:53
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To the group, congratulations and thx for sharing, extra kudo

To SE: im speechless to think that to clear a content for lockstyle requires this kind of outside buffing (so what 5-6 ppl to use their 2 hr (I know it’s 45 min) and buff twice over the 6 ppl playing, 8 SV songs, 4 rolls, full SCH buff outside… before going in). It is beyond ridiculous… /slowclap
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By Shiva.Myamoto 2024-12-21 12:40:41
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yeah SE was pissed when the Crystal Paradise was cleared within a week so they went with "Git wrekt nurds!" approach.


Good job guys and congratulations! Well deserved.
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Shiva.Myamoto said: »
yeah SE was pissed when the Crystal Paradise was cleared within a week so they went with "Git wrekt nurds!" approach.


Good job guys and congratulations! Well deserved.

This was the hardest fight either on ff11 or ff14 that I've ever done. There's a pretty large element of RNG like bumba V25, and it also requires the entire party to play flawlessly for an hour per attempt. Also on the winning pace, the healing never lets up, and you just feel drained mentally after each pull.
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By Shiva.Myamoto 2024-12-21 13:30:21
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Curious about the comment regarding GEO/WHM using banish on cooldown. Is this simply bursting off lights as he is resistant to magic damage aside from light? or is he considered undead? I am just trying to understand that specific bit.
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By Ovalidal 2024-12-21 13:49:33
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Phoenix.Gavroches said: »
To the group, congratulations and thx for sharing, extra kudo

To SE: im speechless to think that to clear a content for lockstyle requires this kind of outside buffing (so what 5-6 ppl to use their 2 hr (I know it’s 45 min) and buff twice over the 6 ppl playing, 8 SV songs, 4 rolls, full SCH buff outside… before going in). It is beyond ridiculous… /slowclap

SE believes that they need a type of content to validate the gear grind in FFXI. If they made the MTs have actual rewards, they would just make another type of harder content to validate MT rewards. For the MTs, the reward is the victory of the fight.

I know that, for a lot of people who play seriously, this isn't even close to worth the hassle. But I play with a lot of casual/new players. And the tVR Master Trials, both CP and OB, have been a hot topic of conversation and spectacle in these circles. And the characters who have cleared CP and now OB have had their names immortalized in our eyes lol.
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By Nariont 2024-12-21 13:50:19
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Shiva.Myamoto said: »
Curious about the comment regarding GEO/WHM using banish on cooldown. Is this simply bursting off lights as he is resistant to magic damage aside from light? or is he considered undead? I am just trying to understand that specific bit.

Teo afaik is classed as undead
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By RadialArcana 2024-12-21 14:32:29
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It's not a simple lockstyle, it's a trophy the player can take great pride in owning when they see it in their inv. Adding actual gear drops to something like this would be incredibly counter productive, and force them to make the fights easier. If it drops gear, far more people will demand to be able to do it to get that gear.

Since it's a trophy, the reward is clearing it and that allows the devs to make "impossible" content, and see if players can figure out how to do it. I guarantee none of the devs or testers have ever cleared these master trials, they just know it's technically possible with the data they have.
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By Asura.Nefertarii 2024-12-21 14:54:18
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Shiva.Myamoto said: »
Curious about the comment regarding GEO/WHM using banish on cooldown. Is this simply bursting off lights as he is resistant to magic damage aside from light? or is he considered undead? I am just trying to understand that specific bit.

The idea here was to lower any DT he might have similar to how v25 mobs come with 25% DT to their weakness. Sadly this is the part where I was weakened, and we had so much time left on the clock, that I just focused on curing the RUN. So we have no testing data on this, but those spells are cheap, whatever effect it has would basically be for free.
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By Chimerawizard 2024-12-21 14:55:50
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could we get some mog pell rewards at least from them?
I'd like rainbow mog pells from an early MT, and say a random Bonanza prize weighted like the actual bonanza for the unbeatable ones, like Oathsworn.

Bonanza Ball for your hard work. The *** who keeps causing the run to fail? he gets a Mog Kupon W-E119.

Don't really care what else to give it, just give them SOMETHING more. Something worth clearing it a 2nd time.
Old Case +1~2 for your efforts, weighted heavily toward +1. really doesn't matter so long as it increases interest enough to get enough friends interested in trying it.
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By Phoenix.Gavroches 2024-12-21 17:10:19
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The key to content satisfaction is not trying it, but are they willing to retry it for their friends? (I know so many that once they clear a V25 they want to have nothing to do with it ever again), so that is the question, will you guys?
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By Asura.Shiraj 2024-12-21 18:13:31
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Phoenix.Gavroches said: »
The key to content satisfaction is not trying it, but are they willing to retry it for their friends? (I know so many that once they clear a V25 they want to have nothing to do with it ever again), so that is the question, will you guys?
I would probably redo the fight after a bit of a break (I already have a couple people asking if I'd tank it again for them :DD) . This fight was draining in every aspect. I think every role required such focus to minimise mistakes then we were just banking on luck and small things like luck can boost or drain all of our morale to the point we stop trying. This whole fight/prog was just a big test of will to keep bashing your head against it...
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2024-12-21 18:41:42
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Asura.Nefertarii said: »
Shiva.Myamoto said: »
Curious about the comment regarding GEO/WHM using banish on cooldown. Is this simply bursting off lights as he is resistant to magic damage aside from light? or is he considered undead? I am just trying to understand that specific bit.

The idea here was to lower any DT he might have similar to how v25 mobs come with 25% DT to their weakness. Sadly this is the part where I was weakened, and we had so much time left on the clock, that I just focused on curing the RUN. So we have no testing data on this, but those spells are cheap, whatever effect it has would basically be for free.

Iirc special dt down from banish can be resisted (for instance, casting it from your subjob), but I don't remember when I tested it.

Looks like bgwiki agrees with me: https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Category:Banish_Spells

The last time I spammed Banish in endgame with my GEO/WHM mule, I concluded it was a waste of time.
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By Asura.Melliny 2024-12-21 20:11:57
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Old Case +1~2 for your efforts, weighted heavily toward +1.

It's OK to say you want a +2 old case. For dealing with the kind of nonsense involved in this fight I think it would be a just reward. No need to even weight it toward +1 or have the +1 at all. Just make it a straight up +2. It won't kill the game. It won't hurt anything. If anything, it may actually spur interest in an otherwise dead fight (let's be honest. The fight is so intense even with a guide interest is going to be near nonexistant).
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By Asura.Nefertarii 2024-12-21 21:16:54
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Phoenix.Gavroches said: »
The key to content satisfaction is not trying it, but are they willing to retry it for their friends? (I know so many that once they clear a V25 they want to have nothing to do with it ever again), so that is the question, will you guys?

I'm going to do another run as RNG instead of GEO this time. I think we're starting in a couple weeks.
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By BlackmoreKnight 2024-12-22 02:48:03
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Reclears? But Wings of War remains unconquered!

Great job though, in all seriousness.
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By Asura.Dexprozius 2024-12-22 06:21:00
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Asura.Shiraj said: »
Phoenix.Gavroches said: »
The key to content satisfaction is not trying it, but are they willing to retry it for their friends? (I know so many that once they clear a V25 they want to have nothing to do with it ever again), so that is the question, will you guys?
I would probably redo the fight after a bit of a break (I already have a couple people asking if I'd tank it again for them :DD) . This fight was draining in every aspect. I think every role required such focus to minimise mistakes then we were just banking on luck and small things like luck can boost or drain all of our morale to the point we stop trying. This whole fight/prog was just a big test of will to keep bashing your head against it...

But this time on PLD.. RIGHT? /s
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2024-12-22 06:24:52
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Shiva.Thorny said: »
And, I hate to ask this since I know it'll ruffle feathers, but I feel like it's unavoidable: Do your RNGs use JA0Wait or a tool to automate hover shot? I am not criticizing you if so, but it is an important disclosure because these can add 30% or more damage over a vanilla RNG performing hover shot perfectly. If you were using them, it seems likely the strategy cannot be done without them.
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By Asura.Shiraj 2024-12-22 06:47:31
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I wish they would've used something like that, maybe would've cleared faster/easier. I know they broke hover shot stacks a couple times because maintaining that the full hour is certainly hard.
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2024-12-22 08:17:59
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Changing targets to adds breaks the hover stack anyway, but it sounds like you can probably re-use the JA when you switch targets so that might be ~the only stack breaks.
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By Genoxd 2024-12-22 12:24:01
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That's amazing, congrats!

Any chance you could share the RNG TP and WS sets or at least the ACC they had for TP and WS without buffs?

Edit: Also Byrth come back and lets do this :3
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By Asura.Nefertarii 2024-12-22 14:58:06
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Genoxd said: »
That's amazing, congrats!

Any chance you could share the RNG TP and WS sets or at least the ACC they had for TP and WS without buffs?

Edit: Also Byrth come back and lets do this :3

There was a huge difference without SV buffs up. the fight is highly overtuned. even the RNGs suffered accuracy issues, so I would throw up an indi-precision to help when SV was down. I think we had 4x SV for the winning attempt, and it likely other groups are going to need some luck to get a winning time also.
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2024-12-22 17:11:33
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Genoxd said: »
Edit: Also Byrth come back and lets do this :3

Would if I could, but I have about an hour of leisure time a day spread out across unexpected 5 minutes periods. I can't make any kind of regularly scheduled event and I have basically no . . . Whatever the Nyame event was, augments anyway
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By Asura.Bigtymer 2024-12-22 19:36:46
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Genoxd said: »
Any chance you could share the RNG TP and WS sets or at least the ACC they had for TP and WS without buffs?

Here you go - I've provided my TP and Last Stand sets below. These both have north of 1,650 RACC without food/buffs.

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By Shiva.Thorny 2024-12-23 08:14:07
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Didn't really see a r.acc number thrown around besides a general sense that it was low without SV. But, if a group wanted to really max out r.acc and made a couple pieces of Nyame A, there's a good bit to be gained there. Since you don't last stand in the body or feet anyway, you could swap in:
Nyame Mail, Nyame Sollerets, Ephramad's Ring, Cacoethic Ring +1

for a net gain of 18 AGI and 56 r.acc, at a cost of only 1 stp [you would lose some r.atk and true shot, but that's equivalent to ~35% hitrate gain.. obviously if that breaks your xhit with a specific weapon you can keep a ring)

also curious on the choice not to use any /dnc; if it's feasible to stick a single person on it then you can potentially get another 13% defense- from box step.. is the cor using shadows from /nin for anything (obviously there are logistic difficulties, and cor needs preludes.. maybe run/dnc or even pld/dnc since you'd gain a better source of cures)

seems like there is still some potential to refine the setup and gear and maybe overcome the perception that you *need* a half dozen outside buffers and 40 minutes of soul voice to win
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By Kasaioni 2024-12-23 13:58:55
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This fight seems absolutely nuts. Must be one of your biggest video game achievements now.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2024-12-23 14:16:04
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En-Chthonian Ray is an absolutely *** stupid mechanic lol

Id issue a bug report and inquire if it was supposed to be the removable doom.
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By Asura.Shiraj 2024-12-23 14:22:37
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Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
En-Chthonian Ray is an absolutely *** stupid mechanic lol

Id issue a bug report and inquire if it was supposed to be the removable doom.
Oh we tried. We submitted this bug report as a subtle way to get "feedback" from SE to see if there was a way to remove Doom or not through standard means which was to give us less need to spam more tests/wasting time on it.

Spoiler: it got moved to working as intended.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/61660-Oathsworn-Blade-Master-Trial-Unremovable-Doom-Effect
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By Asura.Nefertarii 2024-12-23 21:09:51
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Asura.Shiraj said: »
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
En-Chthonian Ray is an absolutely *** stupid mechanic lol

Id issue a bug report and inquire if it was supposed to be the removable doom.
Oh we tried. We submitted this bug report as a subtle way to get "feedback" from SE to see if there was a way to remove Doom or not through standard means which was to give us less need to spam more tests/wasting time on it.

Spoiler: it got moved to working as intended.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/threads/61660-Oathsworn-Blade-Master-Trial-Unremovable-Doom-Effect

Yeah, this is the most baffling part about the fight. It was a fun fight if not for this particular mechanic. Also thanks for all the support from everyone, its been nearly all positive feedback. I'm really surprised at the amount of people that were interested in seeing this victory.
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By Ovalidal 2024-12-26 18:35:42
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Here's a video essay going over the details of the fight + an interview with Bigtymer about the prog.
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