Segments Are Pain

The first thing I suggest to most players looking to work on their gear is to find an Ody set or two and unlock it. It makes a massive difference on basically every job and is pretty useful catch-all gear.

It's very easy for a group of well-geared players to carry someone through a V5 or even a V15 of a lot of those fights and this can make a big difference in helping people getting up-to-speed, even if they never change their gear.

Should still recommend they get started on gear swapping, if nothing else just for JA, making basic WS sets (even if it includes most of the same gear as their TP set) so they can get into the habit of using macros and their preferred method of gear swapping. Ultimately if they want to play endgame they will need these skills.

I sometimes forget that Thorny's name is Thorny. :)

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Both nyame and empy +2 are rediculously easy to get with help vs what they do for a person's ability to help themselves after they get it. Teach them to fish already. If they want to get to end game, there it is. If you don't want more people at end game then don't help. Lots of people won't stick around long term but you also didn't kill yourself to sucker punch bumba v15 or lower.

It's unfortunate you have to beat the entire *** game to get emp+2

If not, it would be a good option to start with

You get nyame for just existing for a bit more than one payment cycle.

I miss having no life and being in a static and spamming fights till we win... , Get me back to Corona Days.

O noz, a new player will have to do a couple missions instead of being in Nyame before their playtime hits 1 hour.

sure


according to you profile you play on valefor
If you were not having issues getting groups outside of asura you would know this point was false, to begin with.
But you push it as being true.

and about the massive amount. multiplayer games are typical 4-6 players. Even with just the remaining hundreds of user that is still massive in comparision.


Anyway
People will always whine about making games easier. I will never understand people that are so afraid of improving themselves. The entire premise of a game is to put a challenge in front of you to overcome. If not, it's just a "movie".

Just imagine the scene: Pergatory in his full Nyame R30, Prime weapon 5, all HQ+5 boxes saying:

“Yo, random new player, i will help you out!”

Young newb onion head tarutaru: “Oh thats so great, mr Pergatory! Will you help me unlock Nyame? Or maybe Sakpate? Or any other odyssey stuff?”

“No, young padawan, dont you think youre doing things backward? Lets go to Ceizak and spam some colonization reives to get you ypur sheneeddick set. This will be an upgrade of your gear and, well…. That the progression we all do!”

Young newb onion head tarutaru that know no better: “Yayyy, mr Pergatory! Youre so nice to teaching me how to step up my game!”

It's just the nature of the current content rewards really, you could do similar with delve or skirmish gear back when that was the top end thing, escha gear/abjs(would have to buy the cursed gear and lixers but still), if anything its more a case of ody gear just being so above everything below that its seen as the starting line to get everything else since it can set earlier content to easy mode but thats more a gear creep issue

I dunno. I get the "wanting to get to the target line skipping everything in between" can be potentially dangerous.
But sometimes it's just more... efficient?

I feel that's the case at least for Nyame. It's such a generic set that is incredibly valuable and constitues such a massive difference compared to everything else available before.
The best (or worst?) part is that if you're a returning player, you can gain access to Nyame incredibly fast, the same cannot be said for instance for Empy.
Imagine someone who doesn't even have the Abyssea gear.
You would have first to farm that, which can be faster with the kupons, but if you don't have them (and they are not always available) it's a lot of work. I mean it's easy, but it takes time.
Then you have the JP midnight waits to get the ilevel version, then the +1, then you have to enter Sortie to unlock +2 and +3 and even if you can do that, you need Sapphires and Starstones and Galli and more JP midnight waits.
With due differences, the same kinda apply to Ambu. You need to leech multiple runs and you need to make choices because you won't be able to obtain all sets in a single months (and that requires several VD runs anyway)

I mean as a returning player you are eventually going to do that regardless for the job specific boons on some pieces, but it takes time and work, whereas Nyame can be available to you in literally a few minutes?


So yeah, I completely get what Perg was trying to say in general, but I feel this doesn't exactly apply to Nyame because of what we just said.

Stop crying... Put your time in and STFU. Its part of the game, everyone went through it. If you don't like, than don't do it.

Typical millennial ***, you can see the peak of the mountain and don't want to put the climb in.

Yes, internet sleuth, I am on Valefor. On that server, and this is a verifiable fact, shouts for Sheol C outside JP hours do not exist. Most people are either already in a static, or waiting for LS sheol groups that happen once in a blue moon.

My comment was referring to the latter. If a person is not already in a static, or already has more segs than they know what to do with, then doing A/B with a less than optimal group is an option. One a person that would otherwise not be doing Sheol, a daily KI content, can do. The alternative is, as mentioned, sitting in mog house doing nothing.

In other words, put up or shut up.

If you were not so busy doing personal attacks, this should be pretty clear.




It does feel a bit like "In my day, we had to walk 10 miles in the snow to unlock Nyame. Why should you get it for free."

Merc carry People that has money, who carry the poor?

Nobody, they all just sit around wondering why nobody is forming parties to do events and then decide that they need to 6-box everything because there's nobody to play with. After that, they fill out the survey so SE knows that half the population plays solo and they need to make more solo content, because there's nobody to play with.

Are clearing missions beating the game or just clearing the story mode?

If I'm helping new people, I almost always ask how far they have gotten in their missions and then stress they should keep going on rhapsodies and adoulin asap because their are very real rewards that aren't access to sortie like lots of xp boosts. Sortie just happens to be there too.

The other thing I stress is domain dragons so they can get access to anything in escha zones if they need it.

Can't really get mad at new people wearing paper sets and eating obvious floor pizza when they don't already have tough sets. There have been easy tough sets since at least abyssea and most people haven't ever bothered to put them on.

That dog meme? Yeah, it cracked me up. Mostly 'cause it’s half true.

Now, sure, 20 years ago, we’d wrangle up these big ol’ 18-man crews to tackle Einherjar, Dynamis, Sky, Sea all that jazz. But lemme hit ya with a big ol’ BUT in all caps.

Back in 2004-2009, folks had way more grit. They’d eat wipes for breakfast, wait around for hours to gather, and still be rarin’ to go. Passion, man oozing with it. And, let’s be real, the content? Easier than pie compared to today’s circus.

Now, Farm Segment-C? That’s my jam, right up there with Dynamis. Just shredding through mobs at breakneck speed chef’s kiss. But oh, don’t let me sugarcoat it for ya:

Segment-C farming? The most toxic circus act I’ve ever seen in FFXI history. And yeah, I’m sayin’ it’s worse than the HNMLS drama back in 2007.

‘Oh, didn’t hit 10K segments? Here come the crybabies and the trash talk.’

‘You’re under 10K? Time to plaster your name on every Discord as trash tier, warnin’ folks not to touch ya.’

‘9750 segments? Nah, that’s cute. You ain’t gettin’ another invite.’

And don’t even get me started on the so-called kingpin of this mess: WAR/DRG Fencer builds. Naegling, Loxotic Mace +1, Shining One the unholy trinity. No other DD comes close to WAR, and it’s breakin’ the damn game. Nerf Fencer already. Cap that TP Bonus at 500. Make these WARs/DRGs work for it, like the rest of the other DDs.

The trash talk? Man, I’ve seen it all. Asura, Siren, Cerberus it’s enough to fill a book. And trust me, it wouldn’t be a feel good read.

That’s why folks wanna keep their hands clean of Odyssey. They grab their Nyame V0, their DD V0 set, and then nope the hell outta there, all thanks to the toxic vibes.

But hey, if you’re runnin’ Odyssey with friends, with people you trust? It’s a solid 10/10. Run it with elitist try hards, though? That’s when the toxicity cranks up to eleven.

Asura problems.

XI is not "winning" Sheol C parses. Grow up.

Is that still a thing? I know it was early on but I always thought about mid-v20 and v25 era it kinda chilled out unless you really screwed up big time. I didn't get any major toxicity out of C PUG farms the past few years at least, so I figured it kinda died out (admittedly it's been about six months since I did a C farm).

Asura is somehow an entire server of victims. Everyone hates elitists, but somehow can't find 3-5 non-elitists to partner up with. This is the thing that always baffles me. There are constantly complaints about how there's nobody to play with and how everyone's elitist, but the hundreds of people making the same complaints can't talk to each other?

Are linkshells, friends lists, and discord banned on asura? How is it so damn difficult to make 4 friends on the most populated server in the game? Just start picking random names from the reddit threads and ffxiah threads, join 2 linkshells and talk to the human beings who are online at the same time as you...start putting together seg farms and ambu runs with these people...what am I missing here?

Joining pugs other people put together and shouted for with 5 complete strangers can't be the only option for a normal, well-adjusted adult on asura. It just can't be. I refuse to believe it.

There is no inter-human communication on asura just grunts and numbers

There are no well adjusted adults. Those people don't play mmos.

Boxing ain't all bad, there's no pressure to meet someone else's expectations if you aren't geared to the teeth for PUG shouts, or if there are no shouts at all, or if you want to play non-meta jobs for any reason.

The advantage still goes to those who network to get ***done and play more socially, which is as it should be. This will almost always yield more segments, gallimaufry, whatever.

But I've done it all over the years, from play solo 1box and join shouts, lead and participate in a big LS, and multibox. They are all rewarding in a different way.

I got tired of treating segments as a chore running with others, and this is mostly an Asura problem, but not reading the shouts day in and day out for v30 DD (or whatever absurd requirement) has been refreshing. Bahamut still has PUG shouts that do just fine without all that needless stress.

So I say find what works for you and don't limit your options. If you are still progressing through Odyssey at this time there's absolutely no rush.

It's hard to make friends period when you know no one. This was different in previous eras of the game but coming up now with 0 friends or on a new server, it's harder to network. You don't meet players in the earlier phases of the game most of the time, it's something that happens after you've reached ilvl, but most of the shouts for PUGs where you'd meet people are for higher level players.

So I think the question to ask is, assume you know 0 people and have never done the content before, how would you go about getting started?

Once you meet a few folks, it becomes easier, you meet others through them and so on. Both of my more active linkshells were because of one or two people I met by happenstance. One I helped farm Sisyphus because I was bored and another I just happened to meet doing skillups, it was very random. Some aren't that fortunate and people aren't exactly running around trying to recruit new players they see.

There is also a % of people you just don't wanna be around, they blend in more on Asura because it's a larger population.

It's also hard with the attrition rate. Almost everyone I did content with in the past 12-14 months either quit or been banned. It's frustrating to make friends, get content going, then get into this cycle of having to replace people because they don't play anymore

we need duty finder in FFXI.

Think people have a very severe aversion to leading parties. No one wants to make one, recruit, be responsible for setup/buffs/where to go etc. It's exhausting and I get it, but if no one does it, no parties are formed.

I don't want anything called "duty" in XI either.

I would love this - I find it fun playing with people who don't know what they are doing and having to slowly turn from the nice person trying to explain to a mean elitist *** boy that gets thrashed on the forums for being too serious from my mom's basement

Only thing at all related to DF id like is some QoL on search comments, itd be helpful for trying to find people who also want to do x but are also doing other things

I do agree with most of what you said. When I returned to the game, I put out a simple message in my bazaar (that is still there right now) that says "Friends, Linkshell, please invite me (returning player)". To this very day I still get people asking if I need a linkshell, and I take them all, even newbie linkshells. Of course some people have known me over the years so it is easier to make friends, but joining and setting up my own events gave me opportunities to meet new players. Also playing multiple jobs helps too.

I think the whole "its hard to make friends" thing is primarily self-inflicted. If you put yourself out there as a player who is active and wants to do stuff and you let people know, you will get a response most times, especially on Asura. The biggest problem with Asura IMO isn't necessarily the merc culture, but it's the lack of initiative. Everyone is waiting for someone else to set something up. Everyone is playing the same jobs and nobody wants to tank or heal. Every time a fledgling group tries to get off the ground, it's met with frustration because nobody has any job depth and they are stuck for hours looking for people to join them. If 20 random players all had 1 tank, 2 mages, 2 support jobs, and 3 DDs, you would never have a problem forming parties because the job diversity alone would cover for it every time. But every single person is playing DD and nobody is BRD, WHM or Tank. That problem is totally correctable but also 100% player-created problem.

I mean people complained about Odyssey requiring each player to have 3 unique distinct jobs, but the purpose was to create more opportunities for players to create organic groups and establish playing partners by interacting with each other and seeing who had what jobs. Instead, everyone saw that as an unnecessary roadblock and bypassed the content entirely, putting the game right where it was prior to Gaol (a massive single-player MMO). And now you have SE Surveys where people claim to only play by themselves, but that is really just by choice.

Sorry, players are just super lazy nowadays. It's not a "it's hard to make friends" problem. Always has been a player laziness problem.

When I returned to the game in September~ I literally just yelled "social LS can I have it - returning player" and just like that I had multiple people offer me a linkshell all because of a no effort yell. I didn't know anyone when I returned (as far as I knew, everyone I used to play with either quit or got banned)except the 5 people I did master trials with who already have multibox/statics they play with.
It's not hard to find new guys to play with, just a tiny bit of effort people don't wanna do much of

I agree it's a big problem everyone playing the same job. Now every returning player is told "play COR it's easy ticket to endgame" and while it may be true, everyone plays the same damn job AND then sit around waiting for people to set every bit of content up for them.

They're also told that if you want to play brd, you need atleast 2 REMAs(aeonic/emp), if you wanna be a GEO you need an idris, if you want to play WHM you need a yag, its another part of the self-perpetuating cycle of noone wanting to be support even beyond just the responsibility of the role itself.

Tanks kind of have an easier word of mouth entry though id often hear RUN needed an epeo just as often when it was the preferred tank over pld, plds always had the "need aegis" aspect to it but relics, especially shield/horn are the least demanding but still a bit of a hurdle for a new player... course then they only use aegis and suck at taking phys dmg instead because thats as far as the advice went

I don't get the aversion to a well done dutyfinder or partyfinder or however you want to call it. As if manually assembled PUGs are always a success story. If you don't do PUGs in the first place you could care less if they add a partyfinder.

If you really want a significant increase in party play there is basically no way around it.

It's one of FFXIs biggest flaws. Unfortunately the community can't make a addon solution without risking a ban or they would have done so long ago and SE probably thinks if they want a partyfinder they should go play 14.

An open board that people could schedule events and people could sign up for would be pretty great. It could be 1 big one or a small event specific ones in the entry zones or meeting places.