haha, he was just chililng in the sky! I totally forgot that part of 5-3.
After asking the question, I realized that I might have just misinterpreted the ine I'm quoting. He could literally have meant "he showed up, unleashed terrifying power on the Yagudo, and then everyone was glad that he left instead of also flattening Windurst" - like they were glad to stop seeing him because he was not about to kill them all...
...but yeah, actually, that dialog from Grav'iton makes it pretty clear that Fenrir was specifically prevented from running wild (possibly Abyssea-style where there are just the roaming Avatars?) by the Horutoto Ruins
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Unsolved Mysteries of Vana'diel
Fenrir is best boi and you'd be upset either if they locked you down in a well to turn your energy into mana to use in their city
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LightningHelix said: » haha, he was just chililng in the sky! I totally forgot that part of 5-3. After asking the question, I realized that I might have just misinterpreted the ine I'm quoting. He could literally have meant "he showed up, unleashed terrifying power on the Yagudo, and then everyone was glad that he left instead of also flattening Windurst" - like they were glad to stop seeing him because he was not about to kill them all... ...but yeah, actually, that dialog from Grav'iton makes it pretty clear that Fenrir was specifically prevented from running wild (possibly Abyssea-style where there are just the roaming Avatars?) by the Horutoto Ruins The Kuluu did Horutoto and Pso'Xja, while The Zilart made the Protocrystals. Pso'Xja even used to have level restriction in most of it. A nod to nullification of power of what resides inside.
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Unsolved Mysteries of Vana’diel, would Robert Stack to 12 or 99?
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Lili said: » Fenrir is best boi and you'd be upset either if they locked you down in a well to turn your energy into mana to use in their city I don't know why, but this kinda reminds me that Bahamut (seemed to have) reverted to his original animal form while he and Selh'teus were stuck in Al'Taieu. I don't know what animal he was before being Bahamut, but the idea of Bahamut as a random lizard, stuck in an an Al'Taieu terrarium is kinda funny. Legitimate question, does the game ever tell us where the Star of Tavnazia came from? IIRC, it's a piece of Emptiness magicite that was found in the Baptismal Box in the northlands. But do we know anything else about it?
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Fenrir.Richybear said: » Unsolved Mysteries of Vana’diel, would Robert Stack to 12 or 99? Cavity searches all around. Lili said: » Fenrir is best boi and you'd be upset either if they locked you down in a well to turn your energy into mana to use in their city cat_pffft.gif
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Ovalidal said: » Lili said: » Fenrir is best boi and you'd be upset either if they locked you down in a well to turn your energy into mana to use in their city I don't know why, but this kinda reminds me that Bahamut (seemed to have) reverted to his original animal form while he and Selh'teus were stuck in Al'Taieu. I don't know what animal he was before being Bahamut, but the idea of Bahamut as a random lizard, stuck in an an Al'Taieu terrarium is kinda funny. Legitimate question, does the game ever tell us where the Star of Tavnazia came from? IIRC, it's a piece of Emptiness magicite that was found in the Baptismal Box in the northlands. But do we know anything else about it? I don't think there's an exact origin given to it in game, but if I had to hazard a guess, I'd imagine that it is magicite born from when the Kuluu destroyed The Ark of Vahzl, after all, all other magicite shown in game forms in the pools beneath fractured pipes of The Crystal Line. So an entire Ark blown to kingdom come. Whatever remained of the energy it was funneling, soaked in that viscous black ooze, that tar of the mother crystals... That coalesced into the black magicite that is The Star of Tavnazia.
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What do you think it says that all GM can only be human, from a lore perspective.
Are they supposed to be Zilart?
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Ovalidal said: » Lili said: » Fenrir is best boi and you'd be upset either if they locked you down in a well to turn your energy into mana to use in their city I don't know why, but this kinda reminds me that Bahamut (seemed to have) reverted to his original animal form while he and Selh'teus were stuck in Al'Taieu. I don't know what animal he was before being Bahamut, but the idea of Bahamut as a random lizard, stuck in an an Al'Taieu terrarium is kinda funny. Legitimate question, does the game ever tell us where the Star of Tavnazia came from? IIRC, it's a piece of Emptiness magicite that was found in the Baptismal Box in the northlands. But do we know anything else about it? I must have missed this. When was Bahamut ever trapped anywhere? Asura.Vyre said: » Ovalidal said: » Lili said: » Fenrir is best boi and you'd be upset either if they locked you down in a well to turn your energy into mana to use in their city I don't know why, but this kinda reminds me that Bahamut (seemed to have) reverted to his original animal form while he and Selh'teus were stuck in Al'Taieu. I don't know what animal he was before being Bahamut, but the idea of Bahamut as a random lizard, stuck in an an Al'Taieu terrarium is kinda funny. Legitimate question, does the game ever tell us where the Star of Tavnazia came from? IIRC, it's a piece of Emptiness magicite that was found in the Baptismal Box in the northlands. But do we know anything else about it? I don't think there's an exact origin given to it in game, but if I had to hazard a guess, I'd imagine that it is magicite born from when the Kuluu destroyed The Ark of Vahzl, after all, all other magicite shown in game forms in the pools beneath fractured pipes of The Crystal Line. So an entire Ark blown to kingdom come. Whatever remained of the energy it was funneling, soaked in that viscous black ooze, that tar of the mother crystals... That coalesced into the black magicite that is The Star of Tavnazia. Wasn't the Star of Tavnazia a part of the one we found in the Snoll mission of CoP? Im also pretty sure that it was explained that it was Odin's Proto-Crystal like the other Celestrial Avatars. Tarage said: » I must have missed this. When was Bahamut ever trapped anywhere? They were trapped in Al'Taieu between the meltdown and the beginning of CoP. Bahamut.Creaucent said: » Wasn't the Star of Tavnazia a part of the one we found in the Snoll mission of CoP? Im also pretty sure that it was explained that it was Odin's Proto-Crystal like the other Celestrial Avatars. While it was found in the northlands, it wasn't part of Odin's protocrystal. The beastmen did carry it to where Odin's protocrystal was destroyed though. Ovalidal said: » Tarage said: » I must have missed this. When was Bahamut ever trapped anywhere? They were trapped in Al'Taieu between the meltdown and the beginning of CoP. Bahamut.Creaucent said: » Wasn't the Star of Tavnazia a part of the one we found in the Snoll mission of CoP? Im also pretty sure that it was explained that it was Odin's Proto-Crystal like the other Celestrial Avatars. While it was found in the northlands, it wasn't part of Odin's protocrystal. The beastmen di carry it to where Odin's protocrystal was destroyed though. Where did it say either of these things? Tarage said: » Where did it say either of these things? Bahamut and Selh'teus were trapped in Al'Taieu CoP 8-2: Selh'teus was talking about how he and Yve'noile essentially both took the Emptiness and died with it to keep Promathia from reaching it. Nag'molada also states in a previous cutscene that the Terrestrials revert to their original form as beasts if they were to enter Al'Taieu. There are about a thousand disclaimers here because this is CoP after all, but this is the crux of it. Quote: Selh'teus: ...However, that act was a dangerous gamble. With the creation of this new world, Bahamut lost his power and I could do nothing but flee the incarnation of the Twilight God. I was trapped here, unable to return to Vana'diel. The Star of Tavnazia and Odin's protocrystal For this, there is a lot of dialogue in the cutscene, so here is the link if you're wanting to dig into the topic a bit more. The notable scene starts at the 14:30 mark. You also get to see Odin's protocrystal in CoP 6-1, and it's a whole lot bigger than the icicle Prishe carries around. YouTube Video Placeholder
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Yeah it's not explicit exactly why, but you need to be able to sing both, "Memoria de S^tona" as well as having the Star of Tavanazia magicite in order to wake a sleeping god. (at least I don't remember an explicit rationale)
You find it after the Snoll fight, because after the beastmen succeeded in waking Odin, destroying his protocrystal, they just left it there where it sank under the ice. Tarage said: » I'm working through Promathia and it says that the Moblins were searching for an "Iron Giant" before they found the Promathia statue and got confused. Is the Iron Giant Alexander? Or possibly those Iron Giant mobs? I know this has been a closed case for quite some time, but while looking for a Radial Arcana post, I saw this and wanted to chime in. The Moblins are searching for the Iron Colossus (Alexander's old body). Probably the weirdest conflict in the game is between the Moblins and the Kindred. A certain moblin wanting to spread the religion of Promathia to the other beastmen can't, because the Kindred rule over them. The Kindred worship Odin, and so, they don't like that a moblin missionary is trying to get the Orcs, Qudav, and Yagudo to worship Promathia instead. The conflict between Moblins and Demons is over one race worshiping Promathia and the other worshiping Odin, two deities one would assume to be somewhat similar. The Moblins learn that Odin "fears/hates" the Iron Giant. Because the Moblin military is nothing compared to the Kindred forces, the Moblins continue their search for the Iron Giant in the hope that it will destroy the Kindred's "false god (Odin)". This would free the Moblins to spread the religion of Promathia to the other beastmen races.
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[34 days between previous and next post]Doing the quest Something Fishy for Vana'bout these last few rounds, I've never seen the NPC give a favorable fishing forecast when examining the fish.
"Oh this one's not too chubby, we can't expect a big haul yet" or something along those lines. Does she ever give a positive response when turning in a fish and does that actually signal anything for fishing results? That's the only response.
Dialog table around there goes from quest start dialog, to 'not very chubby', to "we're going to eat the fish", which is what you'd get if you talk again without zoning first. After that it moves into tutorial stuff from a different NPC. POLUtils export for the relevant section:
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This probably isn't an unsolved mystery, but I have no idea where it was actually solved:
What's Balamor's deal? He spends all of Adoulin helping us kill Hades, but we're told that "Hades controls the three Xol". Is he actually working for Hades and trying to slip that leash with creative misinterpretations of his orders to point you at Hades? Does Hades think he's working for him but he's already a free agent? Sure, funny clown, side gig inventing weird butterfly-themed instanced content, joke vibes... but he mostly succeeds at everything he tries, except he's not trying the stuff that his "boss" would actually make him do. YouTube Video Placeholder Kefka cares nothing about anyone or anything but himself and he finds no greater joy in life than in inflicting suffering and death unto others. He has no long-reaching goal for his destructive actions, destruction itself is the goal. He manipulates the emotions of others and will readily lie without hesitation, but his purpose for doing this is again usually nothing but his own amusement in tormenting them. Kefka's need to inflict suffering drives him to continuously greater heights to satiate his urges, culminating with the ruination of the entire world and the deaths of countless creatures. But Balamor isn't Kefka!
He spent a bunch of time possessing Arciela's personal maid and literally nobody suspected him. With basically access to the Castle he could have just murdered Ygnas and Arciela at any point, probably stolen the sword into the bargain, broadly he could have burned everything down at some point whenever he wanted to. Despite his vibes being "murder clown", his actual actions are "terrifyingly powerful entity that is really bored and will do anything for a laugh". And that is okay, that can be his character, but it doesn't fit with them explicitly saying "he works for Hades who is actively trying to do bad things". LightningHelix said: » What's Balamor's deal? So, I'm sure that most here know about the canceled 6th chapter of SoA Putting speculation aside, SoA and RoV had the same writer. So presumably Balamor's axed plans made it in RoV. He wanted a whole world to rule over and turn into his own playground. TBH, Hades was such a good villain, I feel like he would have still been the main villain of SoA, but unless they turn that plot line into a new quest line, we can't know for sure.
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[35 days between previous and next post]Random things:
All races die forwards, Elvaan refuse to die this way and go to great lengths to always die on their back (Elvaan M practically do a flip, to make sure they don't go face down). You would guess this is due to their darkness of arrogance, and not wanting to go face down in the mud. -- The Zilart around the mother crystals all became the 5 races, when they were fused with the darkness. The Kuluu became tonberry when the darkness was removed. However there were 2 tribes of Kuluu, and the Kuluu researched magic and summoning in their towers. It's highly possible that the Kuluu who settled in Sarutabaruta eventually became the TaruTaru. If they changed this way, they would have lost that knowledge over time and so them being the race to uncover these things from the Kuluu towers, would in effect be them relearning the things they knew in a previous version of themselves. If this is true, and the TaruTaru are the descendants of the Kulluu it would make more sense as to why Fenrir effectively defends and helped them in the way it did for so long (the Kuluu saved the terrestrial avatars and the planet itself, in effect the avatars owed them a debt because without them the Zilart would have beat them and reverted them to animals) It's also possible that the avatars and their protocrystals have a kind of DNA altering effect on things around them (the 5 races being safe from this due to the darkness stopping them evolving), if true this would explain why everything drops a crystal. -- Mannequins in Vanadiel are shown as being like puppets that can be possessed from forces in the underworld, effectively beings that either cannot come into our world or that want a way to be in places they would never be accepted as demons (nations). Any time you see something that is supposed linked to the underworld (of the various kinds, HTBF NPC, Delve NPC etc etc), they are shown as being mannequins. There is also a mannequin quest where a necromancer attempts to bring back his lost wife through a mannequin, but it ends up being possessed by an evil spirit instead and they have to kill it. -- The Astral Candescence is possibly a kind of protocrystal of Alexander, or link to him in some way. If the things above are true, this would explain why every major city outside of the mainlands are all human looking (aka zilart) decedents that were not changed (and the other races there are immigrants from the mainlands) -- Konschtat highlands, e8 (bottom right corner, nearly on the cross between all 4 squares on the map) There is a patch of blue and purple flowers here, if you look east you'll see 3 windmills and one up on the hill to the right, 3 trees to your left. In the mornings between 10-1 (time varies) in this patch of flowers you'll see something there (may depend on the season). If you take some screenshots to try get a closer look at them when you see it, you'll see that someone put a lot of effort into them. They are fully textured tiny little models. I believe this is the only place you can see this.
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the guy who worked on elvaan animations really really liked them, that's why their clothes move when casting and other races don't iirc
RadialArcana said: » It's highly possible that the Kuluu who settled in Sarutabaruta eventually became the TaruTaru. If this is true, and the TaruTaru are the descendants of the Kulluu it would make more sense as to why Fenrir effectively defends and helped them in the way it did for so long (the Kuluu saved the terrestrial avatars and the planet itself, in effect the avatars owed them a debt because without them the Zilart would have beat them and reverted them to animals) The whole post was really cool, I had no idea about the high res flowers btw. There are a couple things I wanted to provide further context on. The story strongly suggests that the Zilart transformed into 6 distinct peoples: Kuluu, Hume, Elvaan, Mithra, Galka, Taru. It seems like the Zilart's use/abuse/weakening of the Motherctystals is what caused their emptiness to reemerge, turning them into Kuluu. The Windurst storyline makes it pretty clear that, for some time, the Kuluu and the Tarutaru coexisted at one time. Furthermore, there are points within RotZ and tVR that strongly indicate that the Tarutaru came from the Zilart. RadialArcana said: » It's also possible that the avatars and their protocrystals have a kind of DNA altering effect on things around them (the 5 races being safe from this due to the darkness stopping them evolving), if true this would expain why everything drops a crystal. Everything drops a crystal because the Meltdown caused the protocrystals to eject a massive amount of crystal energy into the environment, suffusing every living organism. Eventually,the energy builds up and crystalizes. This is according to Yve'noile, and it might also be the source of the Livestream. Though this last point is a bit less clear. |
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