Hand-to-Hand Delay

Since it doesn't look like there has been any testing recently, have fun with the math. :)

Current Hand-to-Hand delay at lvl 1 is now 570 and not 480.

Martial Arts I: 465
Martial Arts III: 430
Martial Arts IV: 415
Martial Arts IX: 365

Current delay math for MNK: 24%
base delay + weapon delay - (weapon delay * 0.24)

lvl 1 THF: 75 tp single hit - 570 delay
lvl 9 MNK: 65 tp single hit - 465 delay
lvl 32 MNK: 61 tp single hit - 430 delay
lvl 46 MNK: 59 tp single hit - 415 delay
Mastered MNK (Empty-handed): 53
Mastered MNK (Empty-handed 8 Martial Arts): 52
Mastered MNK (Empty-handed 13 Martial Arts): 51
Mastered MNK (Empty-handed 21 Martial Arts): 51
Mastered MNK (Godhands (138 STP+10)): 72
Mastered MNK (Godhands (138 STP+10, 8 Martial Arts)): 71
Mastered MNK (Godhands (138 STP+10, 13 Martial Arts)): 71
Mastered MNK (Godhands (138 STP+10, 21 Martial Arts)): 70
Mastered PUP (Empty-handed): 53
Mastered PUP (Godhands (138 STP+10)): 73
Mastered PUP (Su5 (121)): 65
Mastered PUP (Midnights (84)): 60

Take Godhands for example:
365+138-(138*0.24) = 496.88

Now we calculate STP to get how much we get per attack round:
(61+FLOOR((496.88-180)*88/360))*(1+(10/100)) = 144.1

PUP is a little bit more tricky for math. 17.5%
This works for Godhands and Su5, but breaks on Midnights, 1 tp off. If someone else could find a better number, please do.
365+138-(138*0.175) = 478.85

Now we calculate STP to get how much we get per attack round:
(61+FLOOR((478.85-180)*88/360))*(1+(10/100)) = 147.4

With the math, it appears MNK and PUP are at the same delay tier.

I have created a Bug report to see if it is a bug or a feature.

Plenty of Wild Rabbits in Ronfaure were killed in this testing.

Short answer is that is not how you calculate it.

When did Martial Arts get nurfed?

its the same as its always been so far as i know.

BG-wiki, ffxiclopedia, and this post from 2004 all show delay of 480 at level 1.

it was a typo. it was supposed to say "not how you calculate"

as far as the 24%, idk if you're talking about haste or martial arts, or what.

your delay is calculated (480 + weapon delay - martial arts) * (1 - haste) if you have 24% haste with godhands on a mastered monk, then your delay is (270 + 138) * (1 - 0.24) = 310.08

haste has no affect on your TP return, you also use half your total delay for H2H when calculating as well.

(270 + 138) / 2 = 204

61+[(204-180)×88÷360] = 66 a hit normally, with 10 store TP from the weapon that is 72

480 base / 2 = 240 per fist
61+[(240-180)×88÷360] for your THF with no martial arts gives 75.

So you would be wrong

I did my testing naked with zero buffs. MNK/WAR and PUP/WAR. If you look at the bug report I sent, it has steps to reproduce.

and i just showed you how you are wrong, there is no bug.

martial arts isn't a percentage reduction, it's a flat amount. you are just plain incorrect.

naked mastered MNK 61+[(135-180)×63÷360] = 53
naked mastered PUP 61+[(137.5-180)×63÷360] = 53

I am genuinely trying to understand the math and the effect as I just recently started focusing on MNK after getting Godhands and my Bhikku set to +3. I tend to make multiple engaged sets depending on the content, to include X-hit, STP, acc, etc. Right now, I'm trying to create a set with the lowest delay possible, that still keeps me hitting fairly hard, and has a modicum of -DT. Would appreciate any help in terms of posted sets.

https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Community_Monk_Guide#Martial_Arts

For Godhands you throw on a single Mache Earring +1 and you cap delay assuming you have capped haste.