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By SimonSes 2024-03-30 04:17:11
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Asura.Sechs said: »
I really fail to see the charm of Stellar Blade. I mean maybe pad in hands it will be awesome, but so far I've only seen a title which seems to attempts to copy (and fail at that) the exterior aspect of NieR Automata without anything about what's inside, which really is the real value of the title if you ask me.

It all seems so... I dunno, vulgar? Made for wanking fanboys?
The protagonist' character design looks so incredibly dull and stereotyped, like a very bad low cost hentai game.
With the difference that this is not low cost, can clearly see the budget but at the same time it seems so uninspired, without a proper unique identity.


Really, maybe I'm gonna absolutely love this game once I play it but so far I fail to see what's so attractive about it.

This video looks like something that might change your mind
https://youtu.be/CaqL6DZ1pfg?si=SYvzApAvdzL0lBy6
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By Afania 2024-03-30 05:06:15
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Asura.Sechs said: »
I really fail to see the charm of Stellar Blade.

...but so far I've only seen a title which seems to attempts to copy (and fail at that) the exterior aspect of NieR Automata without anything about what's inside, which really is the real value of the title if you ask me.


The real selling point of this game is Kim Hyung-tae, this dude inspired entire generation of korean illustrators and character designers since 1998. Every once a while when I see a Korean commercial game I see Kim Hyung-tae style in their character designs. That is how influential he is.

The War of Genesis, Magna Carta, Blade & Soul, Nikke, all of his games has large amount of fans only because Kim Hyung-tae did the art.

This game may be inspired by Nier, but he doesn't need to copy Nier to sell his own game. He can literally draw stick man in a game, put his name in credits and people will probably buy it in droves.....

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The protagonist' character design looks so incredibly dull and stereotyped,

It is "stereotyped" because everyone and their mother copied Kim Hyung-tae style since 1998 when he was super popular, then it become the "dull and stereotyped" Korean style seen in every Korean MMO ever....

Leave my artist idol alone please ;(
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By RadialArcana 2024-03-30 05:11:12
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The action combat of this game is really something special.

There are two difficulty modes, so you can have a story easy experience or a more difficult game.

You can either play it as you would dark souls or something, and have a normal attack and a heavy attack with a full time non timed block and dodge or you can play it like a sweaty DMC fan and perform perfect timed perfect blocks, perfect acrobatic dodges and combo attacks where you press unlockable strings of moves from button presses where she will perform flurries of attacks while somersaulting and spinning around. Progression is from the skill tree, every kill gives you points on a bar towards unlocking new stuff at the rest camp.

The deflect and perfect dodge moves if you time them right (you can increase the time for these within the talent tree) are really satisfying too, very much like Sekiro and the controller speaker will increase the sound of a clang noise when you do a perfect block to give you good feedback. The monsters also stagger if you keep getting perfect blocks, and you can then perform a over the top kill move on them when they are.

This game feels like if Sekiro, Dark Souls 3 and Dmc5 did a fusion dance. I spent an hour in the practice room just trying to perform perfect dodges and blocks against training opponents yesterday.

The monster designs are 10/10 too.

This game will go super viral on youtube, with perfect runs and show off videos.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2024-03-30 18:39:48
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Played the demo, it's Sekiro with titties in a modified Nikke universe. In other words, I will be paying $70 for this.

Music is carrying the ShiftUp trend forward; the scores in Destiny Child and Nikke have been amazing as well. They know how to do music over there.
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By RadialArcana 2024-03-31 04:47:50
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Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
Is RA gonna complain about the yellow paint on ledges??
Stay tuned to find out.

There is yellow paint in this game, but it's far less annoying.

It makes sense it is there (and in other games like Half Life) and it fits with the world, this is just a vibe check and this passes and ff7r did not. The game builds a suspension of disbelief as to why it is there, or it does not.

Many things in life are a vibe check, it either passes to you and is seen as helpful or it fails and it's annoying. It's also important to point out that a vibe check isn't logical, it's either a personal or group view.

Which is also why I personally can't take any private server seriously, it's not a serious thing. It's just some guys fanfic version of the game. It has no gravitas, it has no suspension of disbelief. No immersion, you know there is a guy behind the curtain and they are very visual about being there to the point they wave their hand to make sure you know they are there. It's just Mickey Mouse s**t to me, other people don't see it that way.

Similarly, to get back on topic of the game: many people who are mad about the main character of Stellar blade wearing a body suit, have no problem with sports where women are dressed exactly the same and will not make statements how they are embarrassed by it. This is another example of a personal vibe check (although in reality for many it's a group vibe check, nobody uses logic to be mad about Stellar Blade and ignore sports bodysuits and instead it's either herd mentality of virtue signalling to their group)







They are not offended by the thing, there is no logic at play and very often if public perception of their peers say it is ok they will immediately say it's ok (2b, bigtiddy woman from RE, bayonetta, ghost in the shell). If someone were to say, "I would be embarrassed to watch this sport it's just a titty sport!, I can see her *** cheeks! and they bounce when she moves ewwww!!" omg I can see her whole thigh, is this porn?!"
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By Bahamut.Drumskull 2024-03-31 06:39:23
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SimonSes said: »
Asura.Sechs said: »
I really fail to see the charm of Stellar Blade. I mean maybe pad in hands it will be awesome, but so far I've only seen a title which seems to attempts to copy (and fail at that) the exterior aspect of NieR Automata without anything about what's inside, which really is the real value of the title if you ask me.

It all seems so... I dunno, vulgar? Made for wanking fanboys?
The protagonist' character design looks so incredibly dull and stereotyped, like a very bad low cost hentai game.
With the difference that this is not low cost, can clearly see the budget but at the same time it seems so uninspired, without a proper unique identity.


Really, maybe I'm gonna absolutely love this game once I play it but so far I fail to see what's so attractive about it.

This video looks like something that might change your mind
https://youtu.be/CaqL6DZ1pfg?si=SYvzApAvdzL0lBy6

its for people to masterbait as they play the game its a ***game for degens
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By RadialArcana 2024-03-31 07:08:58
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Bahamut.Drumskull said: »
its for people to masterbait as they play the game its a ***game for degens

Why would you jerkoff to a girl in a bodysuit in a video game when you can google videos with no restrictions at all

We live in the most depraved time in all human history and people pretending a girl in a body suit is pushing the line lmao
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By Asura.Eiryl 2024-03-31 07:10:51
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Someone has to clutch all those pearls.

They aren't gonna do it themselves.
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By Afania 2024-03-31 08:51:25
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nobody uses logic to be mad about Stellar Blade and ignore sports bodysuits and instead it's either herd mentality of virtue signalling to their group)

I am personally not "mad" at Stellar Blade but I do see sex marketing in nearly all of their screenshots. On the other hand I don't see sex marketing in sports screenshots that you posted.

This has nothing to do with body suit/no body suit. This has something to do with dozens if not hundreds of Stellar Blade visual design choices combined. The use of camera angles, the visual design for shapes and colors, the priority when it comes to the main focus in an image etc. Even the Kim himself admitted they used such strategy in their interviews kinda. So what's the point to deny sex marketing if the dev doesn't care to hide it?

Trying to post a picture of sports photos with body suit then argue "look, they are all the same because they both have body suits!!!!" is completely ignoring the intention of people who worked on it. There are a lot more than just body suits when it comes to utilizing sex to increase sales.
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By RadialArcana 2024-03-31 10:46:55
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Afania said: »
RadialArcana said: »
nobody uses logic to be mad about Stellar Blade and ignore sports bodysuits and instead it's either herd mentality of virtue signalling to their group)

I am personally not "mad" at Stellar Blade but I do see sex marketing in nearly all of their screenshots. On the other hand I don't see sex marketing in sports screenshots that you posted.

This has nothing to do with body suit/no body suit. This has something to do with dozens if not hundreds of Stellar Blade visual design choices combined. The use of camera angles, the visual design for shapes and colors, the priority when it comes to the main focus in an image etc. Even the Kim himself admitted they used such strategy in their interviews kinda. So what's the point to deny sex marketing if the dev doesn't care to hide it?

Trying to post a picture of sports photos with body suit then argue "look, they are all the same because they both have body suits!!!!" is completely ignoring the intention of people who worked on it. There are a lot more than just body suits when it comes to utilizing sex to increase sales.

It's good to use sex to sell things, cause it works. I'll take that over having some ugo that is tiresome to look at. If they want my money, give me something nice to look at. This applies to cars, video games, movies and a pair of shoes. Vast majority of men like this (even if many say they don't in the social media age), so do it.

Ultimately Sports girls in skimpy outfits and this are the same thing, it doesn't matter how you want to market them they are the same thing at the end of the day (btw sports is just as bad and womens tennis is a prime example of something that is done to sell tickets, you just don't see it cause it's been normalized. they could wear shorts just fine, but they don't cause dat ***). A real woman swimmer, dripping with water in a skintight swimsuit from the olympic games on TV is free porn by the standard of some. Far easier to jerk off to a real woman soaking wet for free on tv.

As I said, my issue is that western society is drenched in utter depravity and we pretend it's not. Yet we have this tiny little veneer of respectability above it and so a handful of people pretend to be offended by a sexy girl cause straight men like it. It's utterly insufferable BS, it really is.

We are the society that has Twitch ladies bouncing their oiled up jubblies around for teenage boys with links to their only fans below it, google porn of literally anything with zero restrictions, massive porn industries worth billions/trillions and only fans with millions of women making it their career.

We are the most laughably stupid society that exists, I can't even imagine how clowny we must appear from the outside at this point. when a korean company makes a sexy girl in a video game and people be like HOW DARE YOU!

We have people who like to bandwagon things that they are allowed to be mad about, and things that they are not allowed to be mad about are given a pass. A fine example is big giga titty woman from Resident Evil that all usual outrage merchants loved and so was given a free pass, or the bear sex in BG3. That's great, but a sexy woman? oh no!

I've said it before but this is mostly all performative anyway and it's almost always men that are pretending to be mad about this stuff, I have a friend that was a normal guy and into all this stuff then the moment he got a teaching job he become asexual (dad gamers are often the same and even more insufferable, cause they gotta pro-actively tell the world how honkers do nothing for them now). I get why people do it, but it's still annoying to have their insecurity forced on everyone else.

btw all these arguments online, 99.99% of the time it's a guy being fake offended
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By Afania 2024-03-31 12:18:35
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RadialArcana said: »
Ultimately Sports girls in skimpy outfits and this are the same thing, it doesn't matter how you want to market them they are the same thing at the end of the day

No they are not. It depends on the visual design choices made by each shots. In visual design different camera angles or poses produces different emotional results.

Basically if you don't intend to focus on the sex aspect in a photo, then it will be much harder to feel like it is trying to sell sex emotionally.

Saying all of the female swimsuit photos are selling sex regardless of the actual output and intention of an image is simplifying an issue.

It is better to try not to draw an equation between 2 things. It is a really bad habit for absorbing and analyzing information. And it makes your opinions on many issues sounds less convincing than it can be.

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We are the most laughably stupid society that exists

Personal opinion. I don't feel the same about the society at all. Though I am more neutral/indifferent than supporting it.

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It's good to use sex to sell things, cause it works.

My personal criticism about sex marketing in video game industry is how logics in design choices are often sacrificed for it. Such as the infamous "boob armor" or "bikini armor". Logically such shoices doesn't make sense at all. And it breaks immersion for me whenever I see an illogical design choice in a world that has business intentions behind it.

Sex marketing also doesn't necessarily makes a game fun nor a story deep. It may increase traffics and clicks on social media, that's it. But it is nothing but short term dopamine rush that doesn't stay for too long. A game still needs good gameplay or good story to become a hit.

Case to the point, Disco Elysium (metacritic score 91) is my favorite game of all time. It features an obese middle aged degenerate man with zero female companion. But the lack of sexy looking player character doesn't change the fact that the game itself is a profound and memorable experience. It is kind of experience that stays, not quick dopamine rush that gets my attention for 10 min.

Personally, I don't see any evidence to support woke movement killing video game industry. You can hate woke movement if you want, but I think you exaggerated the effect of it on most games.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2024-03-31 13:31:30
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Afania said: »
Personally, I don't see any evidence to support woke movement killing video game industry.
Tell that to all the devs that were let go because studio and publishers are prioritizing ESG scores instead of quality engaging games are getting shut down because people aren't buying the slop anymore.
https://www.pcgamer.com/the-impact-of-16000-games-industry-layoffs-in-one-chart/


https://gamerant.com/spider-man-2-game-cut-content-symbiotes-bosses-leaks/
I'm not gonna presume what was prioritized over this cut content, but if you told me my options were "more Venom gameplay and storyline" vs "3 or 4 stealth MJ missions", give me the Venom gameplay and storyline all day every day.
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By RadialArcana 2024-03-31 13:53:32
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No they are not.

If you can jerk off to it, it's the same.

A girl playing tennis in a short skirt, showing off her panty clad *** is porn and that's fine. They do this becasue the male sport is far more entertaining to watch, cause they are more powerful and it is more exciting. So they make it more appealing in another way. If they did away with this the sport would lose interest and money and the players would get less money.

Hence, ***.

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My personal criticism about sex marketing in video game industry is how logics in design choices are often sacrificed for it. Such as the infamous "boob armor" or "bikini armor". Logically such shoices doesn't make sense at all. And it breaks immersion for me whenever I see an illogical design choice in a world that has business intentions behind it.

No logic required, it's a fantasy video game. In the real world women would not be fighting with h2h weapons anyway and so would not require armor, cause men are significantly stronger. Men evolved to fight, which is why we have stronger upper body strength. Fighting a woman is like fighting a child, which is why any time you see a man attacking a woman men want to run to help her, cause they know full well she is at a massive disadvantage.

Female armor in history was mostly for show, hence boob armor. Cause princess or queens wanted boob armor, cause women like to be seen as feminine just as men want to appear masculine. herpy derpy

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Sex marketing also doesn't necessarily makes a game fun nor a story deep. It may increase traffics and clicks on social media, that's it. But it is nothing but short term dopamine rush that doesn't stay for too long. A game still needs good gameplay or good story to become a hit.

There have been proven cases where a bra billboard have caused more road accidents at intersections, cause men rubber neck it. It's high quality hard coded bait for men, you have to be out of your mind to not do something that effective when you're spending hundreds of millions of dollars on something. It gets your product noticed.

Ontop of how effective it is in marketing, it also makes men happy to look at it. Our brain releases dopamine when you look at female form whether you like it or not (if you're straight), so if they put it in the game your brain is releasing feel good chemicals while they play the game.

The reason for both of the things above is we are animals and evolution is real, evolution rewards things that make you more likely to have young (have sex, but these things evolved before contraception). Evolution does not create superman or megamind, it rewards traits and mutations that are more likely to have kids. Cause that's the variations that pass those genes onward, and hundreds of thousands of years of evolution lead to us as we are right now.

So for men we evolved to have brains that reward us for looking at and being fixated with T&A, and women evolved to like being admired by men, which is why men find it really hard to not look at women and why women (especially younger women) can barely control their desire to show their *** and *** off when they go out. I know many like to pretend we aren't glorified monkeys and we control everything we do, but that's not how it is. We have a lot of caveman/cavewoman programming in us, especially in regards sexuality.

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Case to the point, Disco Elysium (metacritic score 91) is my favorite game of all time. It features an obese middle aged degenerate man with zero female companion. But the lack of sexy looking player character doesn't change the fact that the game itself is a profound and memorable experience. It is kind of experience that stays, not quick dopamine rush that gets my attention for 10 min.

A game can be good without any sexually appealing characters in it.
A game can be good with sexually appealing characters in it.

Having them can improve the thing because that's how our brains work, they are effectively cheat codes cause of how our brains are wired.

Would Tomb Raider have been a success if it was Indiana Jones with his shirt off? maybe, would it have been the mega hit? probably not.

Dopamine is an addictive and desired chemical your brain releases when you do things evolution has proven to be beneficial, this is why things that release dopamine are addictive. So if you have a game that makes your brain release dopamine, it's going to be more effective at making you like it and be addictive.

A game can be addictive without sexy characters, it just has to hit some other dopamine system like problem solving (again, another evolutionary reward system in our brains), or collecting resources or progression systems (anything that made our ancestors more likely to pass on their genes that that game latches onto).

Another silly one is arcade machines in fast food places, the consumption of tasty fast food releases dopamine and that is then going to be attached to the game you're playing while eating it. So this boosted the games artificially in the minds of the players to appear better than they really were.

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Personally, I don't see any evidence to support woke movement killing video game industry. You can hate woke movement if you want, but I think you exaggerated the effect of it on most games.


Making a product and knowing how the brain of your target audience works is key to success, if you know your target audience is mostly men then you use the strat that works (again, it's not just sexually appealing characters but it does work). This is why World of Warcraft (btw pretty and sexy female characters in an mmo is a key to success with women, cause women love to pick an avatar that represents them that is very appealing to men) and Overwatch were so successful for instance. Male characters your players want to aspire to be, and female characters they love to look at.

Not doing this, for ideological reasons is woke idiocy that is killing the profitability of hundred million dollar products and alienating the audiences that made them successful in the first place. Not doing it, and saying you're not going it for ideological reasons is even worse becasue you make enemies of your target audiences.

To use Marvel Movies as an example:

The current 2024 strategy is to try to make products that appeal to men, appeal to women to double the profits. So they stop sexualizing black widow type characters and Mystique and make them ugo and frumpy (cause some psychologists argue that women are intimidated by pretty girls in movies and video games and so don't consume them because of that, in reality they just don't like those kinds of movies and games though and this logic only really works irl where women hate pretty women) and they hire middle aged women writers to try make this super hero movie appeal to women.

The current thought process is that men are locked in audiences and will stay even if you make the products worse for them, this works short term cause they of how our brains work towards a brand that was good, but long term you will still alienate your core audience. Women are also not really interested in these kinds of movies and games (even though they are trying real hard to pretend they are and being paid to stream them makes people think otherwise), so they are just tainting the brands in the minds of the core audience to try appeal to an additional audience who really don't care about it and never will.

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Afania said: »
obese middle aged degenerate man with zero female companion.
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I liked the music and the flexibility of combat in the game.
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Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
Afania said: »
Personally, I don't see any evidence to support woke movement killing video game industry.
Tell that to all the devs that were let go because studio and publishers are prioritizing ESG scores instead of quality engaging games are getting shut down because people aren't buying the slop anymore.
https://www.pcgamer.com/the-impact-of-16000-games-industry-layoffs-in-one-chart/

The link that you posted said nothing about EGS scores.

The entire gaming industry is facing downturn mostly because of insane growth and QE during pandemic in 2021. Many studios overhired with money everywhere.

Then Fed started QT in 2022, as money exited the economy, the downturn is just normal market correction after all the growth. The fact that fast growing AI industry siphoned all the investment money probably doesn't help.

It is normal for an industry to go up and down every few years, this is just how economy works. Market correction always happen after insane growth but a correction isn't the same as the entire industry being in trouble.

Like I said, it is your freedom to hate woke movement but saying all games are bad and video game industry is in trouble because of them? That is way too much credit given imo.
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By Afania 2024-03-31 15:06:05
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No logic required, it's a fantasy video game. In the real world women would not be fighting with h2h weapons anyway and so would not require armor, cause men are significantly stronger. Men evolved to fight, which is why we have stronger upper body strength. Fighting a woman is like fighting a child, which is why any time you see a man attacking a woman men want to run to help her, cause they know full well she is at a massive disadvantage.

Lol what? A good world building is still based on logic. It doesn't need to be the same as real life. real life and logic in world building are 2 different things.

You can establish different-from-rl logic in a fantasy story as a writer. Such as "women need to fight because the village doesn't have enough people" or even "women have stronger magic power than men in this world". Then it'll make sense logically. Because it is the rule of the world.

But I have never, ever seen any writer ever attempt to establish functional logic for bikini armors in their games. If they just tell me bikini armors in that world have magic gems on it that add defense, it would have work better than randomly throw a bikini armor in the world out of nowhere.

Maybe you don't care about the world building quality in a story but I do.

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A game can be good without any sexually appealing characters in it.
A game can be good with sexually appealing characters in it.

Having them can improve the thing because that's how our brains work, they are effectively cheat codes cause of how our brains are wired.

If Disco Elysium features a pretty lady as the main character then it wouldn't work at all, lol. The protagonist being a sorry loser is the key for the plot to work.

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There have been proven cases where a bra billboard have caused more road accidents at intersections,

This has nothing to do with games ....

I didn't say sex doesn't generate dopamine rush (they should), I said dopamine rush doesn't create long lasting memorable experience that we can remember years after.

Do they have positive effect on marketing? Yes. Do they create a profound gaming experience? Not really.

If the effect of dopamine rush doesn't last long how does woke movement kill the gaming industry? Even if all the pretty ladies in games get deleted today, the gaming masterpieces featuring ugly characters like planescape torment still remains as masterpieces. Nevermind the fact that woke movement doesn't even kill pretty ladies in games, as those games are still being made.

You are just being overly negative about the future of the video game industry imo.
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By RadialArcana 2024-03-31 15:49:10
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Afania said: »
Lol what? A good world building is still based on logic. It doesn't need to be the same as real life. real life and logic in world building are 2 different things.

You can establish different-from-rl logic in a fantasy story as a writer. Such as "women need to fight because the village doesn't have enough people" or even "women have stronger magic power than men in this world". Then it'll make sense logically. Because it is the rule of the world.

But I have never, ever seen any writer ever attempt to establish functional logic for bikini armors in their games. If they just tell me bikini armors in that world have magic gems on it that add defense, it would have work better than randomly throw a bikini armor in the world out of nowhere.

Maybe you don't care about the world building quality in a story but I do.

Yes, as I said it does not matter if boob armor would crush the girls sternum or not or if they wear a bikini cause the primary goal is if the armor look good to the customer.

If you have cosmetic armor on the cash shop, which do you think will sell better, the accurate barrel armor or the sexy armor?

Games are products, we are expected to buy.

The same logic is used when a sword fighter does acrobatic moves, that sword fighting experts say is stupid cause it opens you up to stab attacks. Yeah but it looks cool.

As I said also, if we are going with pure logical thinking then the girl that picks up arms against the bandits ain't gonna last very long is she?

However if you wanna go all out on on it and ignore how weak women are compared to men and the visual appeal of it, then the girl with her boobs hanging out in a bikini and bouncing around will be far more likely to be successful vs a man cause he is gonna be distracted asf.

Imaging fighting a woman in a bikini with big boobs, you ain't gonna make it. You'll prob cut your own leg off you'll be so distracted.

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This has nothing to do with games ....

I didn't say sex doesn't generate dopamine rush (they should), I said dopamine rush doesn't create long lasting memorable experience that we can remember years after.

Do they have positive effect on marketing? Yes. Do they create a profound gaming experience? Not really.

If the effect of dopamine rush doesn't last long how does woke movement kill the gaming industry? Even if all the pretty ladies in games get deleted today, the gaming masterpieces featuring ugly characters like planescape torment still remains as masterpieces. Nevermind the fact that woke movement doesn't even kill pretty ladies in games, as those games are still being made.

You are just being overly negative about the future of the video game industry imo.


You said marketing, marketing is about getting your product noticed.

Dopamine is released in numerous ways, as I said. problem solving, progression systems, loot collecting and appealing characters (doesn't even have to be sexy, can just be pretty) all work. But if you have women in your game, why not make them appealing to look at just as you make the men cool / badass? it's an easy win, there is no reason to make them look ugo on purpose other than the stupid psychology theory that women are intimated by pretty women in the media.

Every video game is a dopamine trigger machine, it's just how they get you.

Think back to some games, Mass effect, Dragon Age, ff games. The sexy women in those games are still remembered today, it's an important part of making a game really successful and remembered.
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By Afania 2024-03-31 16:18:46
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RadialArcana said: »
Think back to some games, Mass effect, Dragon Age, ff games. The sexy women in those games are still remembered today, it's an important part of making a game really successful and remembered.

You are still missing my point. There may be 1000000 reasons behind a good game experience or a game being successful. Sexy ladies may or may not be 1 out of 1000000. but you keep focusing on that as it is the only reason behind a fun or successful game. This is biased.

Most DA and ME characters aren't anywhere close to sexy (Except Miranda in ME I guess) but I play them for the freedom of choice and world building anyways. I don't know how sexy ladies got the credits in those games lol.

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there is no reason to make them look ugo on purpose other than the stupid psychology theory that women are intimated by pretty women in the media.

This is false, lol. There are 10000 scenarios that inserting a female character that isn't sexy in a story is the right move. Maybe you need to create unique personality or traits for a character in a story, or you need to create a strong contrast for a female character that is really sexy etc.

Ugly looking character in a story is a design choice and it is silly to say under no scenario that ugly character shouldn't exist.

Your comments for a field that you don't know is just ridiculous.
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Afania said: »
There may be 1000000 reasons behind a good game experience or a game being successful.
And all it takes is one negative reason to turn a potentially a good game into an unsuccessful game.

By all accounts, DD2 is a great game, but its had its controversies that may have caused it to take a hit. ie: DD2 director making their quotes about fast travel gave people the impression fast travel wouldn't exist. Then the game gets released, the huge DLC list gets unveiled, with fast travel among the list of purchasable things. Yes, turns out that you do eventually unlock fast travel natively within the game, but the director making those fast travel quotes then seeing fast travel as a DLC component before anyone got far enough to unlock it looks a certain way and can be a huge turn off for people, especially in todays economy (coupled on top of DD2's heightened price compared to other games).
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You are still missing my point. There may be 1000000 reasons behind a good game experience or a game being successful. Sexy ladies may or may not be 1 out of 1000000. but you keep focusing on that as it is the only reason behind a fun or successful game. This is biased.

Most DA and ME characters aren't anywhere close to sexy (Except Miranda in ME I guess) but I play them for the freedom of choice and world building anyways. I don't know how sexy ladies got the credits in those games lol.

I'm not focusing on that completely, I'm saying there are lots of reasons a game can be good and that is one of the important aspects.

A huge part of why Nier Automata is as loved as it is, is 2b. She is iconic now, and there was the same outrage about her when the game came out (even though the usual suspects pretend otherwise now, as they always do)

It's annoying to get these complaints against this game, when these people use double standards if it's a gay bear in bg3 or a lesbian mommy fantasy with a 7 foot tall vampire in RE.

If a character appeals to straight men, it's bad. If it appeals to any other group it's fine. This is what people mean when we say woke BS double standards.

There are many games that have had incredibly sexy or pretty characters that played a large part in making the game loved, and withstand the test of time.

Mass effect series with Miranda, Tali, EDI.

Dragon age, Morrigan and that outfit.

Witcher 3, Ciri, Yennefer, Triss.

Final Fantasy, all of them.

Nier Automata, 2b.

RE, Jill, claire, Ada

TR, Lara croft

Metroid, samus

Halo, cortana

Street fighter, all of them

Overwatch, all of them.

BG3 with lae'zel, shadowheart etc

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Ugly looking character in a story is a design choice and it is silly to say under no scenario that ugly character shouldn't exist.

In the latest Dragons Dogma 2 game, the director who also made Devil May Cry put his two iconic characters into the game.

Vergil and Dante, these are two very handsome male characters in the DMC games.

Wanna see what they look like in DD2?

https://fandomwire.com/did-you-find-the-devil-may-cry-easter-egg-in-dragons-dogma-2-where-to-find-dante-and-vergil-explained/

To me, him making them looking this fkin ugo implies he was forcecd to make other characters ugo by some woke BS forced up on him from higher up, and so he did this as a show of annoyance.

Obviously you can have ugly characters in the game but the point is if it's a character that does not need to be that way why would you make them so.

DD2 is full of extreme ugo everywhere, same as starfield.

The woke reasoning for doing this is unrealistic body and beauty standards for women, which is bs.
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It's annoying to get these complaints against this game,

And I am tired of repeating the same point. It is your personal feel to dislike woke movement. But you keep saying video game industry is ruined because of those complaints. With no evidence.

Plenty of games with pretty ladies are still being made. If people choose not to make games with pretty ladies it is often their design choice. Not every story world needs pretty ladies.

Do some people changed their design choice because of woke? Maybe. But they aren't going to ruin the entire industry because what matters in a game is gameplay and writing itself. And that does not mean everyone who made the ugly design choices are affected by woke. Sometimes it is just artistic choice.

But you demand every game in the universe must feature pretty ladies or else they are bad game or something. This is ridiculous lol. You are taking away artist's freedom to make ugly looking characters in their world, how is this different from woke?

Imagine anti-woke people like you would force Miyazaki make good looking characters in his next Dark Souls game because dark souls must be affected by woke with ugly player characters right? That will ruin Dark Souls.

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To me, him making them looking this fkin ugo implies he was forcecd to make other characters ugo by some woke BS forced up on him from higher up, and so he did this as a show of annoyance.

That is some imagination, lol.

I am going to use my imagination here too. I imagine he made ugly looking characters to troll vocal anti-woke people like you. Actually, I think anti-anti-woke would be something I would do for fun if I am a Capcom producer lol.
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But you keep saying video game industry is ruined because of those complaints. With no evidence.
Isnt there another active thread where a Microsoft exec blames capitalism for poor game sales?
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Obviously you can have ugly characters in the game but the point is if it's a character that does not need to be that way why would you make them so.

Actually, I found a perfect game for you.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/335670/LISA_The_Painful/

-The story happens in a world without women.

-The main character is a middle aged, drug addict bald guy.

-Every other characters are ugly.

I bet this game is the highest achievement of the woke movement in the video game industry. Tens and thousands of people who bought it and wrote 12k review are woke armies.
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Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
Afania said: »
But you keep saying video game industry is ruined because of those complaints. With no evidence.
Isnt there another active thread where a Microsoft exec blames capitalism for poor game sales?

IDK, I think Radial should consider opening a "Radial's complaint, round #97" thread so we can debate on capitalism and woke in video game industry for another 400 pages freely.

Edit: that exec probably didn't even say anything about capitalism in the interview, it was PC gamer journalist added that word to generate traffics, then RA added "bad game" to their own title.
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It is your personal feel to dislike woke movement.

Nobody would care if woke or whatever you want to call it was making better games, it's making worse games. Which is why it has such a negative connotation, if it made good games nobody would mind.
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Afania said: »
It is your personal feel to dislike woke movement.

Nobody would care if woke or whatever you want to call it was making better games, it's making worse games. Which is why it has such a negative connotation, if it made good games nobody would mind.


Evidence? From what I've seen plenty of games still scored 90+ on metacritic in the recent years. FF7 Rebirth, Legend of Zelda, Elden ring etc. Yakuza 8 and Unicorn overlord scored pretty close to 90 too. There are no evidence that games become worse recently.

If one day I wake up and every single game scored less than 50 on Metacritic for 3 years straight, then I'll believe your narrative that game quality is decreasing, and video game industry is crashing and dying.

Until then I'm just going to play new games that I enjoy. You can keep hating on new games and spam video games hate posts if you wish. Your loss.
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Evidence?

The AAA video game industry is whack, are you even being serious? Only the JP side is keeping it propped up and they are quickly sinking into the quicksand too.

As western video game companies are losing customer faith and becoming laughing stocks, investors are also bailing and since customers still value JP media the investors are now moving there to buy into those.

This is creating pressure from these investors to now ruin those games in the same way THEY ruined the western video game industry.

Investors are like a guy that can't stop farting saying he is annoyed the room is smelly. Yeah bro, it's you. You're the smelly farter.
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I heard a funny story saying SE paid a tribute to those groups that patrol diversity in games so that FF7 could still remain some 90s situations in the new version.

The tribute paid was Forspoken.

They made a new world game so that they could make FF7 like the old times.

They saved Tifa’s ***!
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