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By RadialArcana 2024-08-22 04:59:56
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The cracking scene has been dead for years. Denuvo is a billion dollar corporation and they hire ex crackers, of course they were gonna win. There are still some people in China and Russia working on it but it takes too long to do it now.

The reason piracy took off originally was there were so many good games coming out, something that isn't a problem anymore. Almost every western video game and movie now is trash, the only reason people consume them is cause they are trained to eat slop.

The problem with piracy coming to an end is companies are crap, and the moment they no longer have to be nice to consumers they won't be. Big sales were a direct result of piracy for instance.
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By Taint 2024-08-22 07:53:08
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I picked up 16 again last night (busy with 11 and 14 during my very limited free time)

Anyways the CS/Battle with Ifrit was one of the coolest cinematic battles I have ever seen.

Even the dungeon before it was very well done.

SPOILER ALERT:
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By Dodik 2024-08-22 08:10:02
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Jetackuu said: »
Good thing they're subjective.

Sure are.

What's not subjective is the hypocrisy of moaning about the morality of piracy on the one hand, while turning around and pirating games for $reasons on the other.
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By Kaffy 2024-08-22 08:17:25
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I kept being reminded of Godzilla every time the summons did battle, which isn't a bad thing but it was definitely more like watching a movie than playing a FF game. On the other hand, some of the other fights like the behemoth when you were just playing Clive were extremely well done.

Story took a nosedive towards the end, but many FF have plot problems, nothing really worse than FF8 Ultimecia for example.

The big problem for me was replayability, there is basically none. Otherwise an enjoyable FF game, just not one of the "best".
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By Pantafernando 2024-08-22 08:24:00
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By Jetackuu 2024-08-22 14:21:19
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Dodik said: »
Jetackuu said: »
Good thing they're subjective.

Sure are.

What's not subjective is the hypocrisy of moaning about the morality of piracy on the one hand, while turning around and pirating games for $reasons on the other.

Not at all.
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By Phoenix.Iocus 2024-08-22 15:08:18
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Kaffy said: »
Story took a nosedive towards the end, but many FF have plot problems, nothing really worse than FF8 Ultimecia for example.

Yeah if your name isn't Kefka or Sephiroth, it's going to get wishy washy near the end.

I skimmed a playthrough over 3 hours yesterday and I'm extremely happy I didn't spend my own time actually playing any of this game. I can't say the combat in the demo looked like it ever got better. Use your moves on cooldown and play the movie CSs. The combat didn't look like that was going to be a highlight I was going to remember fondly in years to come. Here's hoping FFXVII is a lot more fun and memorable.

I'm about a week away from Visions of Mana and the feelings I get from it are totally different because it is my comfort food. It's still an action rpg, but I feel like they stuck the landing visually and I doubt the plot will be an issue. The dub might be though.
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By Jetackuu 2024-08-22 17:31:02
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Kaffy said: »
nothing really worse than FF8 Ultimecia for example.
lolwut, that isn't a "plot problem" just people don't pay attention.
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By Pantafernando 2024-08-22 17:37:44
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FF12 is the worse plot problem in the franchise imo.

But this is mostly because so many troubles it had during development.

It would be easily one of the top stories for me if it hasnt fall flat half way to the end.

And if Vaan simply didnt exist.
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By Kaffy 2024-08-22 17:45:45
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I'm Captain Basch!
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By RadialArcana 2025-03-24 11:27:31
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Yoshida said ff16 would sell well over time.

It has sold an additional 500k copies in 2 years, and that includes the pc version. It sold 3m copies day one, due to pre-orders based on the FF brand name and not the game itself. Once people saw it was westernized trash and worth of mouth spread, nobody bought it lmao



https://techraptor.net/gaming/news/final-fantasy-xvi-sales-3-5m
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By Asura.Eiryl 2025-03-24 11:33:40
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That's actually hilarious. Only an additional 500k sales.

That's a big womp. womp.
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By Viciouss 2025-03-24 11:43:13
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
That's actually hilarious. Only an additional 500k sales.

That's a big womp. womp.

Too bad its not true. Remember you always gotta demand RA posts his sources, because they are always trash.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2025-03-24 11:46:37
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They didn't even sell the first 3m, they shipped 3m. so while there's no one admitting it, it's definitely reasonable to believe.

It'd be nice if companies would just admit their sales but it's not going to happen unless they outsell expectations, that's just the way it works.

We know it's an estimate
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By Bosworth 2025-03-24 11:50:45
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RadialArcana said: »
Yoshida said ff16 would sell well over time.

It has sold an additional 500k copies in 2 years, and that includes the pc version. It sold 3m copies day one, due to pre-orders based on the FF brand name and not the game itself. Once people saw it was westernized trash and worth of mouth spread, nobody bought it lmao



https://techraptor.net/gaming/news/final-fantasy-xvi-sales-3-5m

Makes you wonder why this dude has a random hate *** for a game no one forced him to play

Also: https://www.eurogamer.net/analyst-apologises-for-mistakenly-claiming-final-fantasy-16-sold-35m-copies
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By Viciouss 2025-03-24 11:51:59
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Bosworth said: »
RadialArcana said: »
Yoshida said ff16 would sell well over time.

It has sold an additional 500k copies in 2 years, and that includes the pc version. It sold 3m copies day one, due to pre-orders based on the FF brand name and not the game itself. Once people saw it was westernized trash and worth of mouth spread, nobody bought it lmao


https://techraptor.net/gaming/news/final-fantasy-xvi-sales-3-5m

Makes you wonder why this dude has a random hate *** for a game no one forced him to play

Also: https://www.eurogamer.net/analyst-apologises-for-mistakenly-claiming-final-fantasy-16-sold-35m-copies

You've almost got it. RA doesn't play any videogames. Every game he trolls, he hasn't played.
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By Afania 2025-03-24 11:53:58
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Apparently trolling games that you don't play is more fun than playing video games these days.....
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By RadialArcana 2025-03-24 11:55:03
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Makes you wonder why this dude has a random hate *** for a game no one forced him to play

Because Yoshida had a job already, making ff14 and ff11. He spent 6 years worth of man hours of the best developers from the division and lots of money making this trash game instead.

While he was farting around with this, he ran both of the mmomrpgs into the ground.
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By RadialArcana 2025-03-24 11:56:07
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Slop defenders BTFO.
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By Viciouss 2025-03-24 12:07:49
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RadialArcana said: »
Slop defenders BTFO.

Sorry you got caught in another lie.
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By RadialArcana 2025-03-24 12:19:12
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I posted a link to the article, and Square didn't actually deny it and offer the "real numbers". Surely they would tell the world how many it copies it sold if it was impressive?

The article was right, they just didn't want to admit it.
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By Bosworth 2025-03-24 12:27:25
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RadialArcana said: »
Bosworth said: »
Makes you wonder why this dude has a random hate *** for a game no one forced him to play

Because Yoshida had a job already, making ff14 and ff11. He spent 6 years worth of man hours of the best developers from the division and lots of money making this trash game instead.

While he was farting around with this, he ran both of the mmomrpgs into the ground.

I don't really know what to tell you dude. Did you actually play ff16? It's received generally good reviews from the people who *did* play it, and I personally enjoyed it a great deal. Worth the sales price for sure. Calling it trash because it wasn't your cup of tea is a pretty dishonest take.

As far as "running the mmorpgs into the ground", what are you even referring to? FF14 launched Shadowbringers and Endwalker during 16's development, both of which were giant successes. Even Dawntrail reached a record concurrent user count not seen since the release of ARR. So this random *** you're making up about "running the mmos into the ground" is just that, ***.

I get you don't like the dude personally, but jesus you're doing some crazy mental gymnastics to justify it.
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By Viciouss 2025-03-24 12:31:57
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RadialArcana said: »
I posted a link to the article, and Square didn't actually deny it and offer the "real numbers". Surely they would tell the world how many it copies it sold if it was impressive?

The article was right, they just didn't want to admit it.

Your article simply reports what one person said, and he has since retracted. Instead of posting his retraction, you went with the lie instead. Because that's what you do.
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By RadialArcana 2025-03-24 12:34:12
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They were so busy messing with ff16, taking money and manpower away from ff14 that they turned the playerbase against the game the division was made for.

FF16 is directly to blame.
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By Viciouss 2025-03-24 12:41:39
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lmao. 14 has a million active subs, and you think 4,000 mixed reviews means something. Desperate times.
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By Bosworth 2025-03-24 12:43:17
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Steam isn't a good indicator of a game that has it's own launcher. I think you know that but are choosing to be disingenuous.

Dawntrail surely is a step down from the previous two expansions, but that is to be expected when you're going from the conclusion of a 10 year storyline into a new arc where you're introducing new places, cultures, and characters the players have no connection with.

For the record, Dawntrail still received *generally* favorable reviews and a tremendously high player count: "Dawntrail received generally positive reviews, though notably lower than the critical acclaim Shadowbringers and Endwalker received. On review aggregator Metacritic, Dawntrail has an average score of 79/100 based on 35 critic reviews, indicating "generally favorable" reviews, but the lowest score of the five expansions released"
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By RadialArcana 2025-03-24 12:44:49
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lmao. 14 has a million active subs, and you think 4,000 mixed reviews means something. Desperate times.

so you're saying 4 million players don't want to give a positive review, interesting. The only people who want to review are people giving negative ones?... it's almost like that is some kind of indicator of something.
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By Viciouss 2025-03-24 13:02:48
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RadialArcana said: »
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lmao. 14 has a million active subs, and you think 4,000 mixed reviews means something. Desperate times.

so you're saying 4 million players don't want to give a positive review, interesting. The only people who want to review are people giving negative ones?... it's almost like that is some kind of indicator of something.

No, it's not an indicator of anything. As Bosworth pointed out, people don't play 14 via Steam. My 14 account is not linked to Steam. Is yours? Oh wait, you don't have one.

You posted a fake article on 16, got debunked, and ran to a new lie. FF14 has not been "run into the ground", and the playerbase hasn't turned against the game. It's still raking in the money for SE, which I'm sure spins you into the ceiling.
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By Bosworth 2025-03-24 13:10:47
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Viciouss said: »
RadialArcana said: »
Viciouss said: »
lmao. 14 has a million active subs, and you think 4,000 mixed reviews means something. Desperate times.

so you're saying 4 million players don't want to give a positive review, interesting. The only people who want to review are people giving negative ones?... it's almost like that is some kind of indicator of something.

No, it's not an indicator of anything. As Bosworth pointed out, people don't play 14 via Steam. My 14 account is not linked to Steam. Is yours? Oh wait, you don't have one.

You posted a fake article on 16, got debunked, and ran to a new lie. FF14 has not been "run into the ground", and the playerbase hasn't turned against the game. It's still raking in the money for SE, which I'm sure spins you into the ceiling.


From SE's official financial disclosure:
"MMO profits increased year-on-year thanks mostly to the strong performance of Final Fantasy XIV Dawntrail. Net Sales for MMOs increased by over 9 billion to 44 billion yen, and operating income was up 2.9 billion to 17.3 billion yen."

But yeah, Dawntrail is definitely "run into the ground"
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By RadialArcana 2025-03-24 13:12:13
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Imagine failing so hard you get removed from the board of directors, dammn.

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Final Fantasy 14 director Naoki Yoshida, also known fondly as Yoshi-P, seems to have been removed from Square Enix's board of directors, on which he's served since 2018, and demoted to executive officer.
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