Thread's TLDR:
8 twitch streamers claim to have received DMCA strikes from SE. Link to relevant post
3 received them while live and got a 48hr suspension.
1 youtube video was linked where that user also claimed to have received a DMCA. Link to relevant post
The DMCAs do seem to be real, whether they originated from SE or some third party can't really be determined at this time. But Thorny pointed out the high legal risk of posing as an entity to make a DMCA claim. The exact portion of the videos in teh claims apparently can not be reviewed by the streamers so they are unsure of what EXACTLY they did, for example:
Did they say "I am playing on HorizonXI" at the moment indicated in the video.
Some people think those who stand in defense of SE decision to take action, are being mean/bootlicky.
Some people think those who stand in defense of Horizon/Streamers, are being ignorant/entitled
Why did SE take action now? Some Theories Presented:
Primed for Adventure, SE official ffxi stream, was going to go through some prechecks and noticed all the blatant private server streams and reported it.
Horizon "ads" have appeared in comments on official ffxi posts, and this was how they responded.
The crossover event with FFXIV means more community attention on FFXI so this level of private server content is a bit embarrassing and needed to be cleaned up.
Someone randomly ended up on the page and decided to take action.
It was not SE and was actually some hater who had nothing left to lose.
Original Post said:
Is it real? fake? a ploy to get even more attention? are shits given?
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Actually, I had a couple of automated DMCA takedowns for music in my inbox and they don't quite look like this. Similar formatting but it has a fairly in depth explaination as to what actions I can take to be compliant. This doesn't have that. Gonna lean more towards it being fake, but my notices are also pretty old so maybe things have changed?
It's one thing to use someone else work. Trying to present your vision of their work as somehow 'improved' is really what keeps me from feeling sympathy for them though. It's not classic if it needed you to make it better kids...
Name of the rights holder (owner of the copyright) (person or company) (this will be shared with the account holder whose material is identified in the notification)
Your relationship to the rights holder (e.g., whether you are the rights holder or an authorized agent)
Quote:
Information that allows Twitch and the account holder whose material is identified in the notification to contact you, including
Your name or organization (this will be shared with the account holder whose material is identified in the notification)
Your full postal address (Street, Unit #, City/Town, State, Mailing Code, Country)
Your phone number, including International Code Your email address (this will be shared with the account holder whose material is identified in the notification)
Quote:
I, <your full name as an electronic signature>, wish to state that:
I have a good faith belief that the use of the material in the manner complained of is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or the law;
This notification is accurate; and
Under penalty of perjury, I am the owner, or an agent authorized to act on behalf of the owner, of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed.
Don't get me wrong, I know a lot of people hate Horizon, and it's not that hard to go on the internet and tell lies. But, I'm inclined to think that would deter most garden variety sociopaths from pretending to be square enix. For that matter, twitch would likely expect the complaint to come from an official email if it's for a major company like that.
It takes a serious skeptic to assume this isn't actually SE.
But, I'm inclined to think that would deter most garden variety sociopaths from pretending to be square enix. For that matter, twitch would likely expect the complaint to come from an official email if it's for a major company like that.
Its a pretty common thing on Youtube for third party companies to make claims on behalf of other entities, so it has less to do with believing it was a garden variety sociopath and more along the lines of it just not being actual Square and instead just being one of those companies. Their approach tends to be spray and pray because there's no consequences for filing false notices. Its actually crazy just how common that is over on Youtube. Plus it is probably just healthy to assume everything you see on the internet is fake, at least initially. :)
That being said, after I dug into it deeper than just the surface level, it does just appear to be real.
What would be the point of dmcaing streamers with 10 viewers.
What would be the point at all.
(Yes, companies are "forced" to enforce their property rights, thry literally "have to" but not against a streamer, against the entity doing the infringing)
What would be the point of dmcaing streamers with 10 viewers.
What would be the point at all.
(Yes, companies are "forced" to enforce their property rights, thry literally "have to" but not against a streamer, against the entity doing the infringing)
And why now, after years of not doing it.
Which in this case would be twitch using its platform to do so. Twitch does it alot just don't see alot of partners get hit only behind the scenes getting strikes and what not.
Thread's TLDR:
8 twitch streamers claim to have received DMCA strikes from SE. Link to relevant post
3 received them while live and got a 48hr suspension.
1 youtube video was linked where that user also claimed to have received a DMCA. Link to relevant post
The DMCAs do seem to be real, whether they originated from SE or some third party can't really be determined at this time. But Thorny pointed out the high legal risk of posing as an entity to make a DMCA claim. The exact portion of the videos in teh claims apparently can not be reviewed by the streamers so they are unsure of what EXACTLY they did, for example:
Did they say "I am playing on HorizonXI" at the moment indicated in the video.
Some people think those who stand in defense of SE decision to take action, are being mean/bootlicky.
Some people think those who stand in defense of Horizon/Streamers, are being ignorant/entitled
Why did SE take action now? Some Theories Presented:
Primed for Adventure, SE official ffxi stream, was going to go through some prechecks and noticed all the blatant private server streams and reported it.
Horizon "ads" have appeared in comments on official ffxi posts, and this was how they responded.
The crossover event with FFXIV means more community attention on FFXI so this level of private server content is a bit embarrassing and needed to be cleaned up.
Someone randomly ended up on the page and decided to take action.
It was not SE and was actually some hater who had nothing left to lose.
Original Post said:
Is it real? fake? a ploy to get even more attention? are shits given?
