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Lots of ***talking, but that's like, the entire purpose of the internet. Well that and P0rn but that's a different thing entirely.

i think public executions can be valuable, as long as it's funny

Only when you start alleging that the playerbase numbers are falsified without any evidence.

Also, you never did explain why free login campaigns twist up your knickers.



Most of the "objective points" people have come up with are nonsense. Most of them can be boiled down to variations of "this differs slightly from the 75-era" without any backup reasoning as to what makes it bad when 90% of the game is like 75-era. Nobody can explain why THF getting Assassin at 50 instead of 60 is actually bad. I haven't seen anyone actually make an economy-related post that makes sense. The criticisms regarding job balance seem outlandish because no server has perfect job balance, so singling out Horizon for alleged imbalance is nonsense, especially since Horizon has done a good enough job with balance to where there aren't any jobs getting left out of the progression(as far as I know). The only thing I can agree on is bugs, but even then they're not egregious enough to turn most people away from the game. You yourself made a bunch of points earlier that were either nitpicking without reason or outright falsehoods.

It looked like his post was still up:


My comment was just a passingby comment, "surely" because I don't put it past them. I was mainly debating on the horrible "content" people are claiming is better and the fact it had money dumped behind it to make it "popular" so that people like you want to play just because its popular.

It's not individual changes that are necessarily bad, but rather a consistent pattern of those changes that reveals clear biasing in a certain direction.

That's what red flags are. Predictions of future changes come from current patterns.

It's not hard for content to be better than repeating Odyssey and Sortie ad infinitum. I'm still not seeing how the picture you posted is proof of anything.

And why do you hate free login campaigns, damn it!


Where's the bias?

You aren't going to get the answer you want. The fact that its similar to all the other dinky private servers that came before it, but managed to maintain 3k~ players (and boasted constantly about it) when no other had done that before. Hence my "surely", when I said they weren't padding the numbers. There is no concrete evidence on that, but you'll believe anything in favor of that server so its no use debating that.

So EXPing is apparently better than repeating events in retail? That is the riveting content that all these people are doing.

Many people apparently think so. Of course, you insist on being deliberately obtuse about the clear differences between EXPing a job and watching your gallimaufry counter go up slightly, so I suspect you know this.

Why do you hate free login campaigns?

OK here you go:

Era FFXI allowed you to be more social and have to make tactical decisions about how to maintain EXP chains, because from level 1-55 you had no auto-refresh traits and the only way to regain MP was with refresh (41) and Ballad (25). Adding in Chivalry (45), Devotion (45), Refresh from Leviathan (47), and auto-refresh job traits eliminates that challenge and makes the game easier.

Adding energy drain stealing haste makes any job with a dagger both a debuffer and gives haste which is at a PREMIUM at low levels, and even difficult/impossible to cap at 75. This vastly improves DPS, making the game much easier than era. Ditto adding Desperate Blows, changes to Boost, Chi Blast dispelling, reduced CD on Chakra, Divine Veil improving Regen potency, lower level triple attack, lower level assassin, Auto-refresh at lower level on PLD, enlight for PLD, increased shield blocking for PLD, Ready for BST. Steady Wing makes it easier to keep your pet alive. Crimson Howl lasts longer than it should. Magic bursts do increased damage, Clear Mind makes it easier to get MP back.

So you admit that you're pushing a baseless theory? Then you attempt to denigrate others for not buying into it? lol

Horizon admins when they cant ban the people shittalking their server-4-poors

This is another thing that bugs me. Is its resemblance to the 75-era supposed to be a good thing? Because if that's the case, then other servers are closer to that. There are private servers that straight-up lock themselves down to a certain patch and call it a day. Others do that with small amounts of QOL updates just so it isn't as much of a slog. Hell, a lot of them have functioning friend lists and Ballista and have straight-up way more content.

And if resemblance to the 75 era isn't a selling point, then Retail with all of its QOL and content and strong balance is a much better place to be. Even in terms of free private servers, you've got a huge selection of unique gimmicks that stray from any official era that gives an entirely different experience. Unique progress systems and endgame content. All-new balance and more fleshed-out job identities.

And that brings me back to Horizon. Literally all it has going for it is that it's already popular. It's not popular because it's a well-made server, it's popular because it's popular. All it would take is a mass exodus (à la 2021's WoW-to-XIV march) to completely change the scene, because population is ephemeral.

It’s only 10% magic haste so normal haste overwrites it and you get them at around the same level. You have to look at the entire picture for game balance.

Not "pushing" anything, people can make their own educated guesses. Just because you don't have it laid out Infront of you doesn't mean its false, but you'll believe anything in their favor I'm sure.

Seems like you're being deliberately obtuse here. It's a combination of factors that makes Horizon appeal to people. Your "logic"(if you can call it that) only applies if you select single factors and ignore all others. Your entire basis for Horizon being bad is that you single out some arbitrary criteria(incidentally where another server might be viewed more favorably) as being the only important factor and decry all others.


lol you seriously type like one of those antivaccine nutjobs who tells people to "do their research".

If you have a level 50 EXP party: PLD RDM SMN THF BLM MNK

In era you would have 3 mp/tick on your BLM and RDM, 4 on SMN and PLD. In this game you have 5 mp/tick on your BLM and RDM, 6 on SMN and PLD.

In a game where your EXP rate is most heavily affected by the MP pools of your tank and healer, I feel like a 50% increase in refresh would make a pretty significant difference. It would probably also help that your PLD can use Chivalry to get back MP if he ran into any problems. You might not have MP problems at all though, since the PLD has increased block chance and increased damage reduced while blocking. Who knows?! Good thing your THF already has 5% chance to Triple Attack too, that should really help you keep your chain, especially with increased damage on his daggers. As an added bonus, he also has Assassin, so he will do bonus damage with his TA! ***, you might be thinking this party is screwed because they're level 50 and can't get erase from /whm, oh well, don't worry, Garuda can remove it with Whispering Wind!

I'm sure 90% of this party is the same though...Ummm...the BLM doesn't have any new spells that I'm aware of?

Edit: Oh ***nvm, forgot the BLM gets increased MB damage and accuracy. I think there's 0% similarity to era FFXI.

While your extremely convoluted scenario regarding an extremely specific party setup is fun to read about, it doesn't actually change much of the core game. Nevermind your exaggerations regarding damage and the idea that a once-per-minute erase from SMN is the same as WHM erase.

That's not true at all. There are servers that are more era-accurate and better-designed than Horizon, and there are servers that are better-designed without a focus on a specific era.

And I've said that multiple times now.

Honest: you are allowed to have fun without it being "the best". I'm certainly not going to judge you for it.

Even just decisions like the changes to character models just feels gross. And it's the only thing that you can't revert even if you wanted to. It's an instant giveaway that a stream I'm watching is Horizon. Do the characters have lore-unfriendly neon hair colours? Do the Mithra look bored senseless and not have lips? Do the Tarutaru look like demon-spawn?







Sign me up!

You're right, you can easily set up a party without any Horizon-specific changes to the game. Just don't use:
WAR, MNK, WHM, BLM, THF, PLD, DRK, NIN, BST, RNG, SAM, DRG, SMN, or anyone with daggers, clubs, or polarms.

Almost all of the horizon-specific changes to the game don't change the fundamental game. Party structures are still the same as 75-era. Battle strategy is still the same as 75-era. Almost all of the equipment is still the same as 75-era. Adding 1 damage to Federation Knife didn't fundamentally alter the game. You're really grasping at straws here.

You mean like Lion, the Tarutaru siblings, Prishe, Lilisette, Lilith, and Melvien?

I do agree with you on the character models though.

I beg to differ.

1. DRG pre ToAU wasnt one of the top tier DDs you were seeking for hours to not get a party but you could solo really well. Now on Horizon its one of the top DD even doing better than DRK.

2. BST was the top DD back when the server first launched so certain players could get to endgame the fastest. It was then nerfed when said people got to 75.

3. AF gear has been changed MASSIVELY for example DRG body is now one of its top body pieces unlike back at actual 75 cap.

4. Fundamental change to the game? Now I don't know if this is because the "dev teams" ineptitude or some coding problem but level sync shouldn't be unequiping any gear over the level sync. This was never a thing in retail. I have had people claim it was but a quick.search of the patch notes state otherwise

5. NIN 2hr is a major boost to damage rather than a laughable ability.

6. Various changes to SMN allowing it to give AoE refresh for one.

These are just a few points from a wider range of changes that change how the game is played. I can count on one hand how many times I partied with a BST back at 75 cap and they certainly didn't use a jug pet.

Edit: I almost forgot. Can people that did dyna back at 75 cap would like to tell me how many BST were in your alliance? I'll tell you how many are in Horizon dyna alliances.... lots.

I'd argue Lion, Prishe, Lilisette, and Lilith's hair are pretty lore-friendly (Lilisette might be pushing it), but yeah I can't deny the Chebukki Triplets and Melvien are off. Still, I think it's one thing to see it in a cutscene for a couple minutes than having this running around constantly.

Also, am I the only one bothered by the fact that Horizon just uses severed heads for everything? Even when you log in, it's like "Choose your character...'s disembodied head!"



Though that does remind me of two things I'll give Horizon credit for:
1. The name "Horizon" is freaking brilliant, considering their biggest promise is they're going to maintain horizontal progression at a 75-cap all the way up to and including modern retail content.
2. Their launcher is clean, uses a lofi remix of Dolphin in the background, and has a lot of options right there. Though again it's weird how your characters are represented with disembodied heads.

I can't imagine the cognitive dissonance required to claim FFXI as your favourite game ever and then call aspects of it dystopian, nor can I understand shitting on people for enjoying a part you don't.

But then again I don't go posting conspiracy theories about fake player bots while also saying real players are being sniped away from retail, so what the *** do I know?

Slightly? More like its a different experience.

Agreed. My entire experience has been upended now that NIN can be useful in an emergency once every 2 hours and some artifact armor is slightly more useful. The fact that I can't equip my Level 20 +20 MP Hairpin when syncing to level 18 when I used to be able to equip it for +2 MP is also really jarring.

You clearly don't know much, so you should probably stop.

That guy is obsessed with one passingby comment. He completely ignored the evidence/fact of it being supported by a millionaire to attest to its "popularity" and he affirmed the fact that something being "popular" makes people want to play it, like himself. He was probably one of those people spamming /sea all to feel good about himself and his choice, which plays exactly into their marketing tactics. Hence my passingby comment "surely" meaning I wouldn't put it past them to do it. This is the 4th times I'm explaining this, but SURELY trolls like you are just constantly harping on that because its all you have. Conveniently ignoring everything else discussed.

You think you somehow are funny with your one line posts and quirkiness but you just look weird man. Sorry

Also yes this is my favorite game, 20 years+ of my life and I don't regret it. Its beautiful and I appreciate it like fine art that it is. That garbage is not FFXI, and to me does not resemble it.

People play private servers for a few reasons.

1.) poor

2.) can't figure out retail mechanics, not good enough to clear newer content.

3.) poor

4.) longs for a time pre-gearswap where that 1 STR mattered dammit!

5.) poor.

You literally posted no evidence to support your claim of fabricated playerbase numbers, admitted that there's no concrete evidence, but still want to push the "they totes would lie about it tho guys!" schtick lol

Also, why do you hate free login campaigns?