Prime WS Information, Testing, Discussion

Something feels weird about these WSs or SE stopped using nice numbers. I get Lorg Mor as a ~38% STR/MND mod (or 40% STR or MND, 35% MND or STR) and 4.25 at 1000TP scaling to 14.875 at 3000 TP.

You can use your gorget tests to determine that you have between 467 and 477 base damage. Stage 4 Lorg should be 260 with fSTR, so that's 207 to 217 WSC. The weapon gives +30 STR/MND, so it seems unlikely it would be uneven. Did SE give it 45% STR/MND mods and reintroduce the WSC level scaling factor (iirc 0.83 the last time I dealt with it)?

Anyway, using that base damage range you end up with something near the fTPs I proposed above.

Byrth,

Welcome back, I have been following your posts for years. Glad to have you helping with this.

One thing I notice is that everyone's approach is slightly different. We all get very similar answers but dialing in the final answer seems out of reach.

Also, I think we may be using slightly different inputs unknowingly. For example, in your WSC calculation for Maru kala you got 282 WSC with 40% STR/DEX. I actual use the equation WSC = floor (floor((A x A%) + (B x B%)) x α) which gives me 283! I don't know if there is a source that has figured out which is right but I bet there could be several discrepancies like this between all the contributors. If anyone knows if there was in detail testing on where the flooring happens in WSC calc please link it, otherwise I can try collecting some data.

Finally, it would probably really help to have a centralized spreadsheet that has a lot of these calculations and an approach that we all can agree on. Some of the JP "X" posts show good examples of how visualization can help. Probably google sheets is best since most people don't pay for excel. Then its just a matter of collecting the data. I'm not volunteering you for this... just thought I'd put it out there.

The biggest problem I have with it is that sharing google sheets shares identity. I don't want the top two hits when someone searches my e-mail to be linkedin and a video game forum spreadsheet.

Something like this technically works to hide identity, but loses formula access and thus is useless.

I think alpha doesn't exist anymore, right? Didn't they remove it in the WS revamp of 2014 when they declared that the Aeonic WSs cap out at 85% (instead of 100%)?

I don't really know where all the flooring steps happen anymore, particularly with PDL. I'm also not completely sure that our numbers for all those factors are precise. That's why I've been a bit wishy-washy and favored parsimony over a better (but still imperfect) match to the data.

Yes, the alpha should be gone. I have done a few calculations on older and newer ws recently and it all suggests alpha is still gone. I doubt it would be any different for prime. I am collecting data right now for the WSC calculation using shockwave and will post the findings which should also confirm it.

Yes, the alpha should be gone. I have done a few calculations on older and newer ws recently and it all suggests alpha is still gone. I doubt it would be any different for prime. I am collecting data right now for the WSC calculation using shockwave and will post the findings which should also confirm it.

I should have a more reliable sample for maru kala coming for you guys coming this week. I don't expect to finish it tonight, but I've managed to get the 1 and 2k tp both with and without fotia values to a 1.0494 or greater spread, and the 3k no fotia to a 1.0497 spread. I'm still working on the 3k tp with fotia. The 3k is the longest to do because of the time to build tp. I'll go back and do the str and dex values afterward and present my findings when I have a full data set. So keep an eye out for it. It'll probably be up within the next few days.

I'm actually extremely happy with how good the spreads are turning out to be. The 1k no tp is a full 1.05 spread so I think that set is actually perfect. Little bit more time and we'll have something.