Valefor.Prothescar said: »
Good thing they were talking about Ayame then
My bad lol, just read wrong like they were worried about accuracy with Ayanmo. Didn't think people actually still used melee trusts.
Prime WS Information, Testing, Discussion
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Prime WS Information, Testing, Discussion
My bad lol, just read wrong like they were worried about accuracy with Ayanmo. Didn't think people actually still used melee trusts. Soul voice ARIA / attack cap no etudes
[20:58:39] Pherixa uses Disaster. [20:58:39] Aita takes 96478 points of damage. [20:58:46] Pherixa uses Disaster. [20:58:46] Aita takes 68146 points of damage. [20:58:50] Pherixa uses Disaster. [20:58:50] Aita takes 57987 points of damage. [20:58:51] Pherixa uses Mighty Strikes. [20:58:55] Pherixa uses Disaster. [20:58:55] Aita takes 44417 points of damage. [20:59:01] Pherixa uses Disaster. [20:59:01] Aita takes 83944 points of damage. [20:59:07] Pherixa uses Disaster. [20:59:07] Aita takes 80605 points of damage. [20:59:11] Pherixa uses Disaster. [20:59:11] Aita takes 81292 points of damage. [20:59:16] Pherixa uses Disaster. [20:59:16] Aita takes 39645 points of damage. [20:59:20] Pherixa uses Disaster. [20:59:20] Aita takes 36725 points of damage. [21:03:15] Pherixa uses Disaster. [21:03:15] The Demisang Deleterious takes 41783 points of damage. [21:03:22] Pherixa uses Disaster. [21:03:22] The Demisang Deleterious takes 52979 points of damage. [21:04:43] Pherixa uses Disaster. [21:04:43] The Demisang Warrior takes 52924 points of damage. [21:04:52] Pherixa uses Disaster. [21:04:52] The Demisang Warrior takes 49359 points of damage. [21:05:23] Pherixa uses Disaster. [21:05:23] The Demisang Monk takes 79796 points of damage. [21:05:32] Pherixa uses Disaster. [21:05:32] The Demisang Monk takes 50082 points of damage. Soul voice songs down---------------- Normal Aria should be attack cap on bosses [21:11:24] Pherixa uses Disaster. [21:11:24] Degei takes 83772 points of damage. [21:11:32] Pherixa uses Disaster. [21:11:32] Degei takes 70374 points of damage. [21:11:40] Pherixa uses Disaster. [21:11:40] Degei takes 64215 points of damage. [21:15:33] Pherixa uses Disaster. [21:15:33] The Cachaemic Bhoot takes 20130 points of damage. [21:15:38] Pherixa uses Disaster. [21:15:38] The Cachaemic Bhoot takes 41875 points of damage. [21:15:43] Pherixa uses Disaster. [21:15:43] The Cachaemic Bhoot takes 40019 points of damage. [21:15:53] Pherixa uses Disaster. [21:15:53] The Cachaemic Ghoul takes 47974 points of damage. [21:15:59] Pherixa uses Disaster. [21:15:59] The Cachaemic Ghoul takes 61021 points of damage. [21:20:16] Pherixa uses Disaster. [21:20:16] Skomora takes 62032 points of damage. [21:20:23] Pherixa uses Disaster. [21:20:23] Skomora takes 65333 points of damage. [21:20:29] Pherixa uses Disaster. [21:20:29] Skomora takes 66072 points of damage. [21:25:25] Pherixa uses Disaster. [21:25:25] The Biune Porxie takes 74514 points of damage. [21:27:37] Pherixa uses Disaster. [21:27:37] The Abject Acuex takes 61529 points of damage. [21:27:43] Pherixa uses Disaster. [21:27:43] The Abject Acuex takes 41286 points of damage.
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So I don't know where better to put this, but since Ivaar appears to not exist since 2021, I forked the Skillchains addon and added support for the Prime WS. No warranty blah blah blah, just did this as a community service.
https://github.com/posimagi/Skillchains
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@Ahlen question to all your numbers. You were spamming those WSs right? No holding? I guess first Disaster looks like it was 3000TP probably?
SimonSes said: » @Ahlen question to all your numbers. You were spamming those WSs right? No holding? I guess first Disaster looks like it was 3000TP probably? Also on a side note the WS hits are comparable to upheaval but the WS props are a little difficult to work with for a lot of the sortie bosses. The pattern I seem to see is the prime ws scale well at very high TP levels compared to older WS. Asura.Essylt said: » Fenrir.Ahlen said: » [23:13:07] Kiratal uses Terminus. [23:13:07] Aita takes 39816 points of damage. [23:13:12] Kiratal uses Terminus. [23:13:12] Aita takes 39120 points of damage. [23:13:18] Kiratal uses Terminus. [23:13:18] Aita takes 36630 points of damage. ... Depends on the enmity generation. If it doesn't have any enmity- then it's not going to be that useful for ranged. Tanks barely hold hate from last stand spamming already. Any dmg above that isn't going to do much. But it's still very useful for melee since it's piercing and you can TP in Rostam for faster TP speed and higher DT-, which is quite an advantage even in melee mode. Before that COR was stuck with LS or evis for piercing weak.
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Afania said: » Asura.Essylt said: » Fenrir.Ahlen said: » [23:13:07] Kiratal uses Terminus. [23:13:07] Aita takes 39816 points of damage. [23:13:12] Kiratal uses Terminus. [23:13:12] Aita takes 39120 points of damage. [23:13:18] Kiratal uses Terminus. [23:13:18] Aita takes 36630 points of damage. ... Depends on the enmity generation. If it doesn't have any enmity- then it's not going to be that useful for ranged. Tanks barely hold hate from last stand spamming already. Any dmg above that isn't going to do much. But it's still very useful for melee since it's piercing and you can TP in Rostam for faster TP speed and higher DT-, which is quite a strong advantage even in melee mode. Before that COR was stuck with LS or evis for piercing weak. I would have to try out last stand with fomal in same situation to see how it compares. My prediction would be at 1k spam it would be very close but if I hold tp for either terminus would pull way ahead. For all the bosses I had warcry for 700 tp bonus 190 tp bonus ikenga body and 200 moonshade if I was using fomal id be at 2590 minimum tp so holding isn't much of an option anyway. Edit: Also at stage 3 we don't have the ammo yet and we don't clarification how it works exactly. It has -50 enmity on it... if we can use it all the time then we won't need dirge anymore at least. Fenrir.Ahlen said: » [00:57:19] Ahlen uses Imperator. [00:57:19] The Demisang Red Mage takes 33412 points of damage. [00:57:25] Ahlen uses Imperator. [00:57:25] The Demisang Red Mage takes 29884 points of damage. [00:57:44] Ahlen uses Imperator. [00:57:44] The Demisang Black Mage takes 36862 points of damage. [00:58:14] Ahlen uses Imperator. [00:58:14] The Demisang White Mage takes 39503 points of damage. [00:59:58] Ahlen uses Imperator. [00:59:58] Degei takes 52362 points of damage. [01:00:14] Ahlen uses Imperator. [01:00:14] Degei takes 29823 points of damage. [01:00:21] Ahlen uses Imperator. [01:00:21] Degei takes 23455 points of damage. [01:00:30] Ahlen uses Imperator. [01:00:30] Degei takes 26174 points of damage. [01:03:53] Ahlen uses Imperator. [01:03:53] The Cachaemic Bhoot takes 17512 points of damage. [01:04:01] Ahlen uses Imperator. [01:04:01] The Cachaemic Bhoot takes 27286 points of damage. [01:04:06] Ahlen uses Imperator. [01:04:06] The Cachaemic Bhoot takes 20504 points of damage. [01:05:53] Ahlen uses Imperator. [01:05:53] The Cachaemic Ghoul takes 26726 points of damage. [01:06:04] Ahlen uses Imperator. [01:06:04] The Cachaemic Ghoul takes 21020 points of damage. [01:06:13] Ahlen uses Imperator. [01:06:13] The Cachaemic Ghoul takes 25941 points of damage. [01:07:57] Ahlen uses Imperator. [01:07:57] Skomora takes 28719 points of damage. [01:08:05] Ahlen uses Imperator. [01:08:05] Skomora takes 39113 points of damage. [01:11:39] Ahlen uses Imperator. [01:11:39] The Biune Umbril takes 18997 points of damage. [01:11:46] Ahlen uses Imperator. [01:11:46] The Biune Umbril takes 19441 points of damage. [01:12:17] Ahlen uses Imperator. [01:12:17] The Biune Umbril takes 15344 points of damage. [01:12:53] Ahlen uses Imperator. [01:12:53] The Biune Umbril takes 25645 points of damage. [01:13:00] Ahlen uses Imperator. [01:13:00] The Biune Umbril takes 17692 points of damage. [01:13:45] Ahlen uses Imperator. [01:13:45] The Biune Porxie takes 60692 points of damage. [01:16:44] Ahlen uses Imperator. [01:16:44] Leshonn takes 48007 points of damage. [01:16:52] Ahlen uses Imperator. [01:16:52] Leshonn takes 44558 points of damage. [01:16:57] Ahlen uses Imperator. [01:16:57] Leshonn takes 45901 points of damage. [01:17:07] Ahlen uses Imperator. [01:17:07] Leshonn takes 46926 points of damage. [01:20:52] Ahlen uses Imperator. [01:20:52] The Abject Acuex takes 30657 points of damage. [01:20:57] Ahlen uses Imperator. [01:20:57] The Abject Acuex takes 29826 points of damage. [01:47:05] Ahlen uses Imperator. [01:47:05] Gartell takes 40616 points of damage. [01:47:15] Ahlen uses Imperator. [01:47:15] Gartell takes 36731 points of damage. [01:47:24] Ahlen uses Imperator. [01:47:24] Gartell takes 31547 points of damage. [01:47:32] Ahlen uses Imperator. [01:47:32] Gartell takes 30207 points of damage. [01:47:39] Ahlen uses Imperator. [01:47:39] Gartell takes 27586 points of damage. so its like a naegling Savage? i do more with naegling on rdm..
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Bahamut.Kahraba said: » so its like a naegling Savage? i do more with naegling on rdm.. Its a little disappointing indeed, but you need to consider the fact that bar for sword WSs is stupid high to jump over. Expiacion with SV aria would do like 85k+ (95k+ with warcry) on avg at attack cap with Thibron offhand and Naegling on RDM wouldnt be that much behind. So Imperator would need to do like 99k all the time to beat that. Asura.Melliny said: » Quote: If terminus has fixed enmity like Coronach its going to be an absolute game changer for playing Any ranged dps strategy would want both cor and ranger to have an improved coronach. If it deals more damage than last stand and has fixed enmity then rangers want it just as much, and probably even moreso than corsairs. Don't forget that Coronach isn't the only fixed enmity ranged weaponskill either. Namas Arrow ALSO has a fixed enmity, and it's entirely possible Pinaka could open up a world of potential for bow ranger to make a comeback. If Sarv has fixed enmity like namas arrow then it too could revolutionize ranger as a class, provided it hits hard enough. We need enmity testing! Someone break out the scholars and get those libras going. I said most of this in ejin stream. pretty sure if these weapons actually have the ENM down is gonna actually allow rng/cor to do alot of ***involving trusts too lol. Ragnarok.Nightmarelord said: » Asura.Melliny said: » Quote: If terminus has fixed enmity like Coronach its going to be an absolute game changer for playing Any ranged dps strategy would want both cor and ranger to have an improved coronach. If it deals more damage than last stand and has fixed enmity then rangers want it just as much, and probably even moreso than corsairs. Don't forget that Coronach isn't the only fixed enmity ranged weaponskill either. Namas Arrow ALSO has a fixed enmity, and it's entirely possible Pinaka could open up a world of potential for bow ranger to make a comeback. If Sarv has fixed enmity like namas arrow then it too could revolutionize ranger as a class, provided it hits hard enough. We need enmity testing! Someone break out the scholars and get those libras going. I said most of this in ejin stream. pretty sure if these weapons actually have the ENM down is gonna actually allow rng/cor to do alot of ***involving trusts too lol. What ***tho and it would be indeed game changing for COR, but what stops RNG to do it now? I'm not sure if Terminus is even higher damage than Coronach at 1000TP especially with Trusts buff. He was doing ~50k but with capped attack with PDL from Prime and 30% PDL from Aria and warcry tp bonus. Take that away and damage will probably drop below Coronach if used at 1000+ TP. Now consider the fact Annihilator has 10% attack aftermath and 45 ranged attack and I'm almost sure Coronach will do more with Trusts unless you hold to 2500+TP
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Cloudius777 said: » When it comes to the Staff, not sure which would be best for BLM or SCH when currently high end we use Bunzi Rod / Ammurapi shield which is a good 90ish Magic Acc, 80 MAB and 28 INT/MND as well as +10% MBdmg. Opashoro has 35 Magic Acc, 80 MAB (unknown amount on AM) and 35 INT/MND but we miss out on 10% MBdmg on its Final Form. So is it worth going into all the effort for a slight upgrade over Bunzi/Ammurapi ? (Not counting AM) Opashoro+Enki: INT45 MACC45 MACCSKILL277 MAB70 MDMG325 Bunzi/Ammur: INT28 MACC93 MACCSKILL255 MAB103 MDMG248 MBB10 (Rank 30 stats) Bunzi/Amurr offers: -INT17 +MACC48 -MACCSKILL22 +MAB33 -MDMG77 +10MBB ---------------- Probably miscounted something, tbh, but it doesn't look like Bunzi offers much besides MBB, which is super easy to cap elsewhere, even accidently, on BLM. You can also swap in Khonsu for more MACC and still have more INT with Opa, lowering the MACC difference even more, especially when you factor in the MACCSKILL differences. Assuming you aren't super starved for MACC, it basically just offer 33MAB at the cost of 77 DMG. When you factor in AM, it probably will have less MAB, actually, making the only thing it really gives you is some MACC. I'm not saying rush it if the only mage you have is SCH or BLM, but if you have both or that's all you play? Absolutely, even if it wasn't a big upgrade, which it is, an upgrade is an upgrade. Melee may feel cooler and more impactful with their Empy AMs doing Triple dmg, giving massive DA/TA boosts and +30% or more WSD for specific WS on REMAs, but stats like this are major upgrades for mages, they just aren't flashy.
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it also means you can still Myrkr. That's a huge bonus in my situations/playstyle.
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Idr if anyone in here did Bow yet, do we have any numbers for Sarv or info on it? If so, I'll scroll back for the info if someone had gotten it, just don't recall seeing them. Trying to decide between Scythe/Gsword/Bow atm. The 1mil is burning a hole in my pocket.
There might be more to imperator but so far its weaker then naegling. At least if you don't count the SCs from imperator.
Thanks for sharing! This looks really promising. Open with 3k tp on Aita, no ws wall, 96k. Then I’m guessing the next few are around 2k Tp with warcry up 60k-70k range, then with mighty strikes and warcry we have a few in the 80k range from the same 2k ish tp? Then I’m guessing warcry drops off and you start hitting in the 40k range (1350-1500 tp). Eyeballing/assuming alot, definitely a very significant ftp boost with tp, possibly pretty even gains between 1-2k tp and 2-3k tp? Carbuncle.Samuraiking said: » Idr if anyone in here did Bow yet, do we have any numbers for Sarv or info on it? If so, I'll scroll back for the info if someone had gotten it, just don't recall seeing them. Trying to decide between Scythe/Gsword/Bow atm. The 1mil is burning a hole in my pocket. No bow yet.. please go make it lol
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Fenrir.Ahlen said: » There might be more to imperator but so far its weaker then naegling. At least if you don't count the SCs from imperator. As multiple people have pointed out, Naegling is so overscaled at this point that it's going to be nearly impossible to beat it with 1H physical WS, and it still competes with even the new prime 2H WS when given the Aria song. The new 2H WS seem to be able to reach 99k, but rarely, and often hit as low as 40k, whereas Savage stays consistently high. I think it's fairly pointless to compare it to melee WS though. The main point of ranged WS is the safety of range and sometimes reduced enmity depending on the WS as well. A physical 1H WS was never going to beat Savage, but it beats Last Stand, and at Stage 4 it will likely beat Coronoch for enmity with the -50 enmity bullet. It does what it does, and it does it well, it just isn't doing flashy 99ks hate-free. That would be cool, but absolutely broken beyond measure.
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Carbuncle.Samuraiking said: » Fenrir.Ahlen said: » There might be more to imperator but so far its weaker then naegling. At least if you don't count the SCs from imperator. As multiple people have pointed out, Naegling is so overscaled at this point that it's going to be nearly impossible to beat it with 1H physical WS, and it still competes with even the new prime 2H WS when given the Aria song. The new 2H WS seem to be able to reach 99k, but rarely, and often hit as low as 40k, whereas Savage stays consistently high. I think it's fairly pointless to compare it to melee WS though. The main point of ranged WS is the safety of range and sometimes reduced enmity depending on the WS as well. A physical 1H WS was never going to beat Savage, but it beats Last Stand, and at Stage 4 it will likely beat Coronoch for enmity with the -50 enmity bullet. It does what it does, and it does it well, it just isn't doing flashy 99ks hate-free. That would be cool, but absolutely broken beyond measure. All good, but Imperator is Sword WS not ranged ;) Also I wouldnt count on that ammo really. 99% its from Scavange and you can only have one at you (It's Rare/ex). RNG can probably use it few times, before it's gone (thx to high Recycle proc rate), but it's not something you can count on and COR can't even get it without /rng sub. SimonSes said: » Carbuncle.Samuraiking said: » Fenrir.Ahlen said: » There might be more to imperator but so far its weaker then naegling. At least if you don't count the SCs from imperator. As multiple people have pointed out, Naegling is so overscaled at this point that it's going to be nearly impossible to beat it with 1H physical WS, and it still competes with even the new prime 2H WS when given the Aria song. The new 2H WS seem to be able to reach 99k, but rarely, and often hit as low as 40k, whereas Savage stays consistently high. I think it's fairly pointless to compare it to melee WS though. The main point of ranged WS is the safety of range and sometimes reduced enmity depending on the WS as well. A physical 1H WS was never going to beat Savage, but it beats Last Stand, and at Stage 4 it will likely beat Coronoch for enmity with the -50 enmity bullet. It does what it does, and it does it well, it just isn't doing flashy 99ks hate-free. That would be cool, but absolutely broken beyond measure. All good, but Imperator is Sword WS not ranged ;) Also I wouldnt count on that ammo really. 99% its from Scavange and you can only have one at you (It's Rare/ex). RNG can probably use it few times, before it's gone (thx to high Recycle proc rate), but it's not something you can count on and COR can't even get it without /rng sub. Oof. SimonSes said: » Take that away Asura.Essylt said: » SimonSes said: » Take that away I was commenting specifically the Trust setup he mentioned. Numbers posted by Ahlen are with Aria (some SV) and warcry from Warrior. RNG with Trusts won't be able to cap attack with 30% PDL on anything serious. Warcry from sub warrior doesn't give any TP bonus, it's unique for warcry from WAR with Savagery merits. So "Take that away" was basically about buffs not available for solo with Trusts and lower attack not allowing you to use that much pdl if any at all. Shiva.Flowen said: » Carbuncle.Samuraiking said: » Idr if anyone in here did Bow yet, do we have any numbers for Sarv or info on it? If so, I'll scroll back for the info if someone had gotten it, just don't recall seeing them. Trying to decide between Scythe/Gsword/Bow atm. The 1mil is burning a hole in my pocket. No bow yet.. please go make it lol
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Shiva.Flowen said: » Thanks for sharing! This looks really promising. Open with 3k tp on Aita, no ws wall, 96k. Then I’m guessing the next few are around 2k Tp with warcry up 60k-70k range, then with mighty strikes and warcry we have a few in the 80k range from the same 2k ish tp? Then I’m guessing warcry drops off and you start hitting in the 40k range (1350-1500 tp). Eyeballing/assuming alot, definitely a very significant ftp boost with tp, possibly pretty even gains between 1-2k tp and 2-3k tp? Dubaiii said: » @baniak which prime weapon you are making?! Dagger or Scythe. I need 300k more. I will probably make a solid test of one of those when I get it. Dubaiii said: » I'm Doing Scythe, couse it will allow the usage of Consume Mana and souleater, also full time schere earring for enimty issues, that will change how I play Drk for sure. Scythe is safe bet for me. It's the light version of my favorite WS in the game on my favorite heavy DD in the game. I love complexity of DRK, that is fully utilized by maybe 1% od DRK players. Having 2 Scythes with light and dark version of the same WS sounds amazing and having 9999HP doing 99999dmg WS kinda feels like you maxed a game :) Dagger is a risk, but if the damage is like in my prediction based of that one video we have seen, then damage can be decent and it opens up strong light option for DNC, which is my favorite light DD. In theory DNC is also a perfect job to take advantage of PDL and help others to do it too. On top of that I play mostly RDM in Sortie and in order to use Scythe I would need to swap every few days with someone else, while dagger I could use most of the time and that's a big deal for me.
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I'm similar to Simon That DRK has been my favourite DD even in the 75 days when the job was looked down upon due to accuracy issues. Apoc was my favourite and first REMA.
I'm about 250k away myself, looking forward to playing with it since I go DRK for Sortie every time anyways.
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