melee ones will have the secondary 1 to 1.05 randomizer, so you'll have to ws with the same tp until you get a difference between your min and max of 1.05 or you get the lowest number twice.
then do it again with fotia instead of no neck. it'll take a lot longer.
Prime WS Information, Testing, Discussion
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Prime WS Information, Testing, Discussion
disaster
1005 19136 1005 18600 1005 19125 1005 18913 1005 18770 1005 18997 1005 19140 1005 19150 1005 19111 1005 18947 1005 18684 1005 19251 1005 19252 1005 19279 1005 18967 1005 3630 (miss first hit) 1005 3569 (miss first hit) 1005 19209 1005 18911 1005 18978 1005 19219 18928 18837 19126 19377 18942 18747 19422 19125 19140 19256 18527 18611 19212 18891 19693 19007 19217 18636 19175 18906 19094 18584 18540 19446 18824 19377 19333 1005 fotia 19224 19973 19585 19116 19756 19825 19553 19382 19266 19323 19667 19185 19696 19103 19632 19716 20002 19941 19894 19351 19383 19367 3550 19219 19614 19671 20035 411 str 291 dex 359 vit 317 agi 304 int 305 mnd 304 chr 65 ws dmg no pdl gear war/sam Looks to be about 3 to 3.2 for ftp
initial guess would be 60% STR 60% VIT just looking at that, it would line up with 3.1 ftp can't say for sure since when i sorted those numbers, the lowest value of 18527 * 1.05 should be 19453 but you have 19693 in there. i would say 60/60 STR/VIT with somewhere around 3 to 3.25 for ftp, i haven't seen anything that shows that the low end of pdl from aftermath increased and only one post stating that am3 was 10% with no numbers for it, so hard to say for sure
the 65 WSD includes the gifts? Ramuh.Austar said: » i would say 60/60 STR/VIT with somewhere around 3 to 3.25 for ftp, i haven't seen anything that shows that the low end of pdl from aftermath increased and only one post stating that am3 was 10% with no numbers for it, so hard to say for sure the 65 WSD includes the gifts? This is what i have so far for 3k
3k no fotia disaster 60179 61049 58731 59787 60290 59010 60401 58852 59549 58823 60968 61039 61314 59006 60335 59939 60369 60802 60174 61284 61170 59045 59136 59586 60196 58595 59992 58556 60617 60822 59455 59018 60275 59781 3759 61291 61435 3k /w fotia 60542 59579 59934 59253 59577 61699 59587 60275 61066 59325 61629 60347 59298 60725 60115 60073 61222 61864 60528 60342 61393 61076 60362 59574 61462 60382 60244 61039 59577 3837 61871 60312 59455 59844 61442 60589 60112 61845 60748 59651 59414 59895 61692 60261 3760 60088 61990 60935 60732 59767 59520 61551 60086 60288 normal shots no pdl gear
NO AM 1797 AM 1 1000 tp no pdl gear 1867 AM 2 2000 tp no pdl gear 1921 AM 2 2995 tp no pdl gear 1957 AM 3 3000 tp no pdl gear 1976 4 pdl hands on no am 1867 5 pdl legs on no am 1886 6 pdl body on no AM 1904 7 pdl body on no am 1921 9 pdl hands / legs no am 1957 10 pdl ring on NO am 1976 Looks like AM 1 = 4% pdl AM 2 = 7% pdl AM 3 = 10% pdl with some scaling for in between tp values
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if the str/vit mods are 60%, that would be around 9 to 9.25 ftp at 3
however when solving for x and y (x + 0.1)y = xy + 0.1y = 59253, we get closer to 8.4 Fenrir.Ahlen said: » This is what i have so far for Not enough tbh. This gives the spread between like 8.05 and 12.44 fTP We also dont know what stats are the WSC without testing it. no chance it's 12, i wouldn't even put it over 10. we know the 1 fTP hit is around 3755 with no wsd, 3755 * 10 * 1.68 would give 63084, which is higher than any result out of their 3K list already. 9.25 would be the closest estimation without any strange x/1024 results
i wouldn't put it much lower than 9.25 either, the 8.4 is from solving with an unknown base damage, which means since it is that much lower, one of the results is not actually the lowest value you would get
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If Dagger will be the only one with weird WSC (not matching stats on weapon), it's almost for sure a bug. Problem is, what would be the fix :)
If Dagger is something like 0.25DEX 0.25VIT now, so it could mean 2 things if thats a bug. First option is 0.25DEX 0.25AGI, which would be a slight upgrade, or it suppose to be 0.25DEX, 0.25AGI AND 0.25CHR, which would be a massive upgrade. I need to report it. EDIT: Ok i reported it. Lets see what happens (probably not fast XD)
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more disaster testing
str 207 dex 166 vit 187 agi 154 mnd 144 chr 144 int 148 no ws dmg no pdl gear no utu grip 5% ws dmg job gift 1010 tp 8507 8536 8565 8573 8738 8809 8820 8852 8874 8879 8919 add 70 vit 9369 add 70 dex 8576 add 70 str 9299 add 70 agi 8706 add 70 int 8731 add 70 chr 8799 fotia 1010 8792 8910 8910 8919 8923 8930 8938 8953 8972 8975 8981 9054 9121 9137 9141 9150 9155 9182 3k no fotia 26854 26873 26895 26950 26961 27026 27030 27094 27103 27139 27148 27148 27167 27400 27517 27598 27637 27662 27710 27752 27808 27959 28007 28012 28060 2854 2802 3k fotia 27014 27231 27390 27594 27675 27682 27692 27859 27882 27935 28019 28025 28067 28212 28219 2744 2853
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Are you only adding one piece of Fotia, or two?
So what's the deal for Cor's. We going to have to sub Rng and script scavenge macros overnight or something? Seems like SE implemented a shitty way to avoid adding an inventory slot.
Or am I wrong in that you'd actually need to shoot bullets for scavenge to find anything? the bullet really isn't even good enough to care that much about it. youd be losing offhand dagger and ***
overnight script also wouldnt do anything, you can only hold one bullet Lakshmi.Byrth said: » Are you only adding one piece of Fotia, or two? looks to be around 3 for 1K and 9 area for 3K. just one would it help if added both for next tests?
My guess is 1 based on the ranges. Also, WAR only gets a 3% WSD gift afaik.
If so, looks like: * 1010TP, fTP of 3.005~3.038, probably 3 at 1k * 3000TP, fTP of 9.45~9.55, so call it 9.5 at 3k I assume it is this weapon: https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Laphria_(Level_119_II) I think it's getting about 279~286 base damage from the mods, and is str/vit mods. If they're even, it's maybe 70% for each? SE got rid of the WSC multiplier, right?
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yeah, there is no alpha correction if that is what you referring to. earlier list of results with gear puts it around 9.25 for 3K and 60/60 on mods, i didn't save my notepad i had up though
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If you choose to test the 2k anchor point, I recommend using a chakram to build tp
Ramuh.Austar said: » yeah, there is no alpha correction if that is what you referring to. earlier list of results with gear puts it around 9.25 for 3K and 60/60 on mods, i didn't save my notepad i had up though Most of the dual stat weapons seem to follow that patter, 3.x/?.?/9.x and 60/60 on them. Seems to have very linear scaling. Valefor.Prothescar said: » the bullet really isn't even good enough to care that much about it. youd be losing offhand dagger and *** overnight script also wouldnt do anything, you can only hold one bullet At that point maybe just macro one in for Savage blade / rolls etc. for the -50 enmity and keep Chrono for phys ranged WS's? Kind of a shame it's not worth incorporating. Didn't realize it doesn't even stack either... bogus I did it in Excel quickly and am out of practice so I may be wrong.
I basically took the DAs and figured out his base damage (1ftp, no WSD assumed because it is a DA) and then calculated min/max ftp ranges using those min/max base damages and the data. For mods, I just took the min/max base damages, subtracted weapon damage and fstr, and assumed the rest was WSC. Only used data from the final post. 70/70 would be too high, AM3 would give 10% PDL so the minimum hit would be ~2971
60/60 would be a min of ~2802, still just a tad over but i didn't floor every step just threw it in quickly (361 + 48 + 275) * 1 * (3.95 * 1.1) this is also assuming they are equal mods like gun and scythe seem to be, making them both 55 gives results too low for some of the higher end DAs Ah yes, I didn't consider AM at all. AM3 would be baked into my base damage
OP has AM3 at +8% PDL. Are we sure it's 10% now? Lakshmi.Byrth said: » Ah yes, I didn't consider AM at all. AM3 would be baked into my base damage OP has AM3 at +8% PDL. Are we sure it's 10% now? Yeah, it's in the OP even though the note says it was "done with axe":
Valefor.Prothescar said: » Aftermath information: Tests done by shooting with capped attack as outlined earlier in the thread. 1000tp: 2% PDL for 60s 2000tp: 5% PDL for 120s 3000tp: 8% PDL for 180s Scales between each breakpoint like Mythic AM. E.x.: 1611tp produced a 3% PDL aftermath. That was a stage 3 done inside sortie, Ahlen further up on this page has results showing 4-10% based on AM level with a stage 4. I suppose there is a possibility that weapons might also have different amounts, but doesn't seem likely. Also possible it was 4-10% and there might have been PDL unaccounted for that gave the result of 2-8% as well.
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Yeah, I'm just having trouble squaring all the numbers. At +4% and +10%, I get about 3.2 fTP at 1k and 9.5 at 3k, with only STR+VIT at 55% mods. My guess is that they're really 60% mods, unless SE decided to revive alpha for this or made one 50 and one 60.
We probably already have enough data to solve this, but I'm off to bed! |
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