Continued Prime Weapon NA Review

Really, complaining about it would be even one layer more pointless. So there are more pointless exercises imaginable.

I see no exercise going on.

This is my last Sortie Run.

Could everyone else who's not doing Sortie anymore please weigh in here? I think someone is keeping a tally and we don't have enough data points.

The tally is zero. A lot of people say they won't. They will.

"I will never do 200 sortie runs!" Having already done 400 sortie runs.

Did you auto-attack at all to test for 2/3x damage procs or additional effects?

I only go with my static once a week. If I am extremely drunk or bored I will join a PUG or another group who invites me. So like, twice a week at most for me.

This guy gets it.

This is exactly why it's not light.
If you look closely at those WSs (beside GEO who is special because ergon WSs has lv3 sc property unlike mythics) you can't extend any of them into double Darkness/Light without swapping weapon. Pretty much all of them are opposite to Empyrean WS lv3 property.

Sword can go 4 steps, Imp -> Imp -> Imp-> Chant

This should be a double light.

We haven't dedicated much time to figuring that out yet. Our group will have 3 weapons and a horn soon, so we might hold a more dedicated test run in the near future.

do the new ws SC dmg still heal sortie bosses / cause ws wall is the question

You are looking at old Imperator properties. That's whole point of discussion in last pages. Imperator is now detonation, compression, distortion.

Go fishing somewhere else please.

It was never the case. Few bosses are healed by some elements including skillchain damage of those elements, but it's nothing specifically connected to skillchain and it's not all skillchain damage.

Battle-related

Certain Sortie notorious monsters now behave differently depending on the stage of the Prime Weapon you are carrying.

I'm talking about this part of the patch notes.

Don't give too much thought to Simon's comment. It's a rabbit hole nobody wants to go down.

EMA weapons are quicker to get than Prime weapons rank 4 let alone rank 5. I think that's what he meant to say.

Do you seriously need an argument?

If you dont have EMA and/or you are soloer/returner you probably wont farm more than 10k Galli per run. On top of that you will most likely need to get empy+2/3. You will need to spend a year of daily 1h grind to even get to stage 4, which is useable outside of Sortie. Not to mention stage 5. With the same dedication you can get any EMA in a month.

Prime weapons were designed to be BIS. Devs said they will make new Master Trials specifically so you can have some challenge to test such powerful weapons.

EDIT: Sorry if you thought I was being rude, but I assumed if you write in this thread, you also read this thread and you know getting Prime weapons for returning solo players is measured in years.

Bypassing WS wall is a real question. Even unintentionally, they could *** it up and forgot to include new WSs in code for being affected by WS wall (assuming they list them and not just base it on general weaponskill conditional, but since its an old code, everything is possible). Healing with SC is definitely not something that those weapons can avoid tho. It would require skillchains made by them to have different element, which Im 100% sure they wouldn't do. Its over the top complicated.

I totally get you. It's not like there is a ton of time to do things like WS a mob and intentionally leave it alive for 3~5+ minutes to check to see if you get messages like 'X is no longer Silenced'. And SCH are definitely not known for auto attacking for their TP, so I can't see a lot of that going on either.
Mostly just curious if you've seen anything janky on top of seeing a SCH physical WS for over 50k. That's still messing with me.

im glad they made it so you can only make one weapon after painful grinds over many months, we already have enough casual tards with multiple remas that don't even know how to fukken play a single job properly. i cringe every time i see one.

Honestly the more I've thought about this the more hopeful I've become for ones like the katana. That staff WS looks relatively quite good compared to other physical staff WS. Can hope it's the same for other weapon types as well.

Placeholder? tf you mean "Placeholder"? How long do you think it takes a new player to get an EMA weapon? How long do you think it takes a new character to get an EMA weapon from lv1? Now compare that to the time it takes to get a Prime weapon.

I kinda expect those WSs to be really good. I think they might even be too good and those weapon might be designed to be broken, thats why you cant get more than one every 6 months or more.

That being said, some jobs already have WSs that scales with TP so good, that it's generally hard to make anything better, beside make it more versatile skillchain wise. For example 3000TP Impulse Drive on DRG will often just hit damage cap or close. Savage on DRG will also hit for 80k+. Tornado/Dragon Kicks, Howling Fist also often hits like a truck at 3000TP. Expiacion with Tizona hits for ~75k at 3000TP. Hybrid WSs also often do capped damage assuming target is neutral to magic damage.

Staff WS has very huge fTP boost between 1000 and 2000TP and it might be like that for all Primes. Meaning TP bonus or holding might be required for optimal usage. Because of that Im a little worried about katana nad dagger, because they scale with TP and are multhit at the same time. You will likely need TP bonus offhand for TP bonus, but you dont want weak weapon for subhand, because you subhand base damage/acc/att will be used for subhand hits and MA proc. Only Axe is in awesome spot with Ikenga axe providing both 500TP bonus and amazing base stats in offhand.

EDIT: Staff Prime WS is not even the strongest physical WS on SCH, Black Halo with Maxentius would hit for more with Mischief's gear.

A new or returning player (or anyone really) isn't soloing a prime in 6months though. The timescale on these things will be measured in years unless you've got a group capable of doing 45-60k a run every day.

Whether or not these end up being the strongest weapons remains to be seen. It is clear to me, however, that SE designed or at least tried to design these things to be capstone projects. Aside from their choice of words when talking about them, a fully upgraded stage 5 prime has a higher "level" than any other weapon in the game if we judge based on skill+.

The extremely limited info we have now (which I'm appreciative for btw) is looking favorable anyway. Stage 3 primes are still weaker than stage 5, and they would also probably be too low to get things like a hidden relic/mythic WS boost (though tbh I find the liklihood of something like this on primes unlikely. These are tailor made WS that will probably never be usable off of a prime, they can just make the WS as strong as they want without the need for hidden bonuses unless they intentionally want to make stage 5s way stronger than 3 and 4). What we know for sure outside of the realms of speculation: the staff WS is far stronger than any other physical staff ws. Whether that carries to other weapons (primarily other ones with generally weaker physical WS as it is, I have a hard time seeing them topping things like Fudo and torcleaver) remains to be seen.

So from what I've worked out I'm getting 16k per run with my 3 characters doing A/E/C boss plus leech and bhoot NMs. That is going to roughly take 62 runs for stage 3 and then another 157 runs for stage 4 which is 7 months in total for just stage 4. My latest EMA, Armageddon, took me a week to get from 85 to r15 though I can't remember how long it took me to get to 85 because it was some years ago. My Tizona took 2 weeks but that was because of a cats eye so not taking that into account here but Death Penalty to r15 must have taken 6 months total. Getting to captain rank then farming everything up.

6 months for 1 Mythic isn't too bad and a lot quicker and easier than an hour of sortie every day for the next year.