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Sortie Release - Info
By Nehot 2022-08-30 07:23:22
As I posted previously in this thread, B Blue/Shard/Metal are 100% NOT skillchain related specifically. The below was 10 kills total in the zone and nothing killed before hand (/hurray and locked #B were done). Blue after 3 chests, Shard after 5 total, metal after 10 total. A mix of weak to and not weak to elements from Leaden, Only Malaise on the elementals and no other sources of damage outsid of the cor autos.
Code 22:14:18[Palmroth] 68636 Leaden Salute → Biune・Ice・Elemental
22:14:29[Palmroth] 99999 Leaden Salute → Biune・Ice・Elemental
22:14:29Palmroth defeats the Biune Ice Elemental.
22:14:47[Palmroth] 42204 Leaden Salute → Biune・Water・Elemental
22:14:59[Palmroth] 99999 Leaden Salute → Biune・Water・Elemental
22:15:23[Palmroth] 99999 Leaden Salute → Biune・Water・Elemental
22:15:23Palmroth defeats the Biune Water Elemental.
22:15:45[Palmroth] 99999 Leaden Salute → Biune・Water・Elemental
22:15:54[Palmroth] 85796 Leaden Salute → Biune・Water・Elemental
22:15:54Palmroth defeats the Biune Water Elemental.
22:15:54#B treasure coffer status report: 3/7 #?: 0/1. (THIS WAS BLUE)
22:16:27[Palmroth] 86706 Leaden Salute → Biune・Water・Elemental
22:16:36[Palmroth] 86750 Leaden Salute → Biune・Water・Elemental
22:16:36Palmroth defeats the Biune Water Elemental.
22:17:21[Palmroth] 55569 Leaden Salute → Biune・Ice・Elemental
22:17:36[Palmroth] 75788 Leaden Salute → Biune・Ice・Elemental
22:17:44[Palmroth] 51444 Leaden Salute → Biune・Ice・Elemental
22:17:44Palmroth defeats the Biune Ice Elemental.
22:17:44#B treasure coffer status report: 4/7 #?: 0/1. (THIS WAS SHARD)
22:18:28[Palmroth] 61061 Leaden Salute → Biune・Light・Elemental
22:18:42[Palmroth] 68421 Leaden Salute → Biune・Light・Elemental
22:18:48[Palmroth] 39439 Leaden Salute → Biune・Light・Elemental
22:18:48Palmroth defeats the Biune Light Elemental.
22:19:31[Palmroth] 73182 Leaden Salute → Biune・Light・Elemental
22:19:45[Palmroth] 84462 Leaden Salute → Biune・Light・Elemental
22:19:45Palmroth defeats the Biune Light Elemental.
22:20:16[Palmroth] 82940 Leaden Salute → Biune・Light・Elemental
22:20:27[Palmroth] 79680 Leaden Salute → Biune・Light・Elemental
22:20:27Palmroth defeats the Biune Light Elemental.
22:20:58[Palmroth] 29182 Leaden Salute → Biune・Light・Elemental
22:21:08[Palmroth] 41906 Leaden Salute → Biune・Light・Elemental
22:21:23[Palmroth] 87691 Leaden Salute → Biune・Light・Elemental
22:21:23Palmroth defeats the Biune Light Elemental.
22:21:54[Palmroth] 31096 Leaden Salute → Biune・Light・Elemental
22:22:07[Palmroth] 49840 Leaden Salute → Biune・Light・Elemental
22:22:22[Palmroth] 48587 Leaden Salute → Biune・Light・Elemental
22:22:30[Palmroth] 29018 Leaden Salute → Biune・Light・Elemental
22:22:30Palmroth defeats the Biune Light Elemental.
22:22:30#B treasure coffer status report: 5/7 #?: 0/1. (THIS WAS METAL).
It has just dawned on me that Umbrils themselves do count as elementals. Could we be looking at something day based for these. Something in line with abyssea of killing elementals based on current/previous/next day?
I also don't believe that the B3/4 is 100% Skillchain related (due to the fact that I have managed to kill with AA and WS and not SC and still got the chests only after Light SC happened) and no its not day related as well because I made sure to do these on different days and multiple people have reported getting B3/4 from Leaden/AE/Trueflight/Seraph/etc. I believe it has to do with dealing elemental damaged of the opposite element that is or comes from WS's. I cannot recall anyone getting B3/4 from casting spells alone.
I dont think its to do with mob weakness either as the Water/Ice Eles we got it from are not specifically dark weak, they are even dark aligned technically.
Very true, that is why we require more testing. after a few more tests I have planned on the Umbrils I plan to try to replicate all my findings on every elemental in the area. Will take time, but if this works reliably I think more people will be able to achieve this then a 9-line leaden lol :)
By Nehot 2022-08-30 07:27:10
So I'd like to post my groups finding and have been able to confirm with with 3 runs thus far working every time.
Chest #B3 and Casket #B1
We had a solo DD run straight to the Umbril's in the B sector right from the start of the run and kill them using 4 WS's and at least one light SC. We got both chests at the same time after the fifth kill.
Runs went as followed:
Run #1 Sam used Fudo > Kasha > Shoha > Fudo and killed 4/5 with Radiance and last one with melee hit
Run #2 Same as above with 5/5 dyeing to Radiance
Run #3 Mnk used Tornado > Shijin > Shijin > Victory with 5/5 dyeing to Victory and not Radiance
We've seen the blue chest as early as 3 kills for about 4-5 runs in a row, so theres a good chance 2 of your 5 kills to get it on the 5th, did not actually fulfill the objective, might be worth checking the logs for any discrepancies.
Will do thank you!
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By Fenrir.Jinxs 2022-08-30 07:29:48
Having a hard time tryin to keep up with this fantastic discussion.
Did you guys find out:
1) the reasons why FFXIDB isn't working sometimes
The regular map doesn't work in c
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By Asura.Hya 2022-08-30 08:57:31
Having a hard time tryin to keep up with this fantastic discussion.
Did you guys find out:
1) the reasons why FFXIDB isn't working sometimes
The regular map doesn't work in c That's not what he is referring to. Sometimes upon entry into Sortie, the minimap won't load at all. A reload of the plugin also results in nothing appearing.
By Veydal1 2022-08-30 09:32:01
As I posted previously in this thread, B Blue/Shard/Metal are 100% NOT skillchain related specifically. The below was 10 kills total in the zone and nothing killed before hand (/hurray and locked #B were done). Blue after 3 chests, Shard after 5 total, metal after 10 total. A mix of weak to and not weak to elements from Leaden, Only Malaise on the elementals and no other sources of damage outsid of the cor autos.
Code 22:14:18[Palmroth] 68636 Leaden Salute → Biune・Ice・Elemental
22:14:29[Palmroth] 99999 Leaden Salute → Biune・Ice・Elemental
22:14:29Palmroth defeats the Biune Ice Elemental.
22:14:47[Palmroth] 42204 Leaden Salute → Biune・Water・Elemental
22:14:59[Palmroth] 99999 Leaden Salute → Biune・Water・Elemental
22:15:23[Palmroth] 99999 Leaden Salute → Biune・Water・Elemental
22:15:23Palmroth defeats the Biune Water Elemental.
22:15:45[Palmroth] 99999 Leaden Salute → Biune・Water・Elemental
22:15:54[Palmroth] 85796 Leaden Salute → Biune・Water・Elemental
22:15:54Palmroth defeats the Biune Water Elemental.
22:15:54#B treasure coffer status report: 3/7 #?: 0/1. (THIS WAS BLUE)
22:16:27[Palmroth] 86706 Leaden Salute → Biune・Water・Elemental
22:16:36[Palmroth] 86750 Leaden Salute → Biune・Water・Elemental
22:16:36Palmroth defeats the Biune Water Elemental.
22:17:21[Palmroth] 55569 Leaden Salute → Biune・Ice・Elemental
22:17:36[Palmroth] 75788 Leaden Salute → Biune・Ice・Elemental
22:17:44[Palmroth] 51444 Leaden Salute → Biune・Ice・Elemental
22:17:44Palmroth defeats the Biune Ice Elemental.
22:17:44#B treasure coffer status report: 4/7 #?: 0/1. (THIS WAS SHARD)
22:18:28[Palmroth] 61061 Leaden Salute → Biune・Light・Elemental
22:18:42[Palmroth] 68421 Leaden Salute → Biune・Light・Elemental
22:18:48[Palmroth] 39439 Leaden Salute → Biune・Light・Elemental
22:18:48Palmroth defeats the Biune Light Elemental.
22:19:31[Palmroth] 73182 Leaden Salute → Biune・Light・Elemental
22:19:45[Palmroth] 84462 Leaden Salute → Biune・Light・Elemental
22:19:45Palmroth defeats the Biune Light Elemental.
22:20:16[Palmroth] 82940 Leaden Salute → Biune・Light・Elemental
22:20:27[Palmroth] 79680 Leaden Salute → Biune・Light・Elemental
22:20:27Palmroth defeats the Biune Light Elemental.
22:20:58[Palmroth] 29182 Leaden Salute → Biune・Light・Elemental
22:21:08[Palmroth] 41906 Leaden Salute → Biune・Light・Elemental
22:21:23[Palmroth] 87691 Leaden Salute → Biune・Light・Elemental
22:21:23Palmroth defeats the Biune Light Elemental.
22:21:54[Palmroth] 31096 Leaden Salute → Biune・Light・Elemental
22:22:07[Palmroth] 49840 Leaden Salute → Biune・Light・Elemental
22:22:22[Palmroth] 48587 Leaden Salute → Biune・Light・Elemental
22:22:30[Palmroth] 29018 Leaden Salute → Biune・Light・Elemental
22:22:30Palmroth defeats the Biune Light Elemental.
22:22:30#B treasure coffer status report: 5/7 #?: 0/1. (THIS WAS METAL).
It has just dawned on me that Umbrils themselves do count as elementals. Could we be looking at something day based for these. Something in line with abyssea of killing elementals based on current/previous/next day?
I also don't believe that the B3/4 is 100% Skillchain related (due to the fact that I have managed to kill with AA and WS and not SC and still got the chests only after Light SC happened) and no its not day related as well because I made sure to do these on different days and multiple people have reported getting B3/4 from Leaden/AE/Trueflight/Seraph/etc. I believe it has to do with dealing elemental damaged of the opposite element that is or comes from WS's. I cannot recall anyone getting B3/4 from casting spells alone.
I dont think its to do with mob weakness either as the Water/Ice Eles we got it from are not specifically dark weak, they are even dark aligned technically.
Very true, that is why we require more testing. after a few more tests I have planned on the Umbrils I plan to try to replicate all my findings on every elemental in the area. Will take time, but if this works reliably I think more people will be able to achieve this then a 9-line leaden lol :)
I'm wondering if #B1 casket is related to dealing enough magic dmg to kill a mob within a short period of time. These are being killed very quickly. Does anyone else have logs with timestamps with them getting casket to drop? I know I've killed many elementals with trueflight with over 70k dmg a pop and have not gotten it, but I am not killing them fast, or at least not back-to-back as quickly as in the above log. Also have done multi-step SCs on Umbrils with MNK and have not gotten it.
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By Odin.Bangla 2022-08-30 09:40:56
Having a hard time tryin to keep up with this fantastic discussion.
Did you guys find out:
1) the reasons why FFXIDB isn't working sometimes
The regular map doesn't work in c That's not what he is referring to. Sometimes upon entry into Sortie, the minimap won't load at all. A reload of the plugin also results in nothing appearing.
There are two areas for this event: [U1] and [U2]. [U2] is a new zone where the map tools aren't loading the map correctly. The files have to be editted manually.
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By Phoenix.Logical 2022-08-30 09:42:30
So I've been testing all the B theories other then trueflight spam and today tested what some have been reporting of 4 step skillchains to kill umbril and to do it quickly. Now id tested 4 steps before several times but not quickly so today I entered, went right to the Umbril without getting ANY other objectives. Did two 4 step light radiance skillchains on 5 umbril in a row. each time it died to the 4th step on the 2nd 4 step skillchain for over 30k damage and... nothing. Got to umbril's at the 57:30 Mark. Kills took a little under 1 minutes each. I finished my 5th kill with 53:00 remaining in run. After that I went about my usual farming run as testing these theories the last week has put me behind. Willing to test anything else anyone has positive results with tomorrow.
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By Fenrir.Jinxs 2022-08-30 10:02:07
Should we consider breaking this thread into A B C D topics?
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By Leviathan.Boposhopo 2022-08-30 10:44:27
2. No, it doesn't count as magic or WS. directly contradicts this. I was able to do Chest A3/A4 using SMN magic BPs. Was me (SMN), BRD and a COR; BRD and COR only auto attacked while I did magic BPs only. Holy Mist and Stone IV were the kill shot in these cases, but it was still the only magic damage applied.
By Veydal1 2022-08-30 11:16:13
I definitely may have missed this being discussed / debunked already, but I'm thinking A3/A4 is just a matter of not doing something that is considered a weaponskill. Which apparently, Monbereux's dark potion counts as, if that is indeed the requirement.
Curious if anyone has tried pure melee kills, no spells of any kind, no enfeebles, no nothing. Just go in there, and auto-attack. Is the magic killshot really required?
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By Leviathan.Boposhopo 2022-08-30 11:28:50
I definitely may have missed this being discussed / debunked already, but I'm thinking A3/A4 is just a matter of not doing something that is considered a weaponskill. Which apparently, Monbereux's dark potion counts as, if that is indeed the requirement.
Curious if anyone has tried pure melee kills, no spells of any kind, no enfeebles, no nothing. Just go in there, and auto-attack. Is the magic killshot really required?
Magic Kill shot is not required, we've gotten the objective with auto attack kills. We've also got the objective after doing a WS, so it's not 100% "don't do WS". Lately even methods we've used that had 100% success rate before (auto attacking it down while GEO or SCH nuked it) have not worked sometimes. Last night we did our usual of having ppl melee and the GEO nuke it, and we ended up killing 8 acuex vs our normal 6, we got the first Chest in 3 kills, but it took 5 to get the second chest. No idea what was different.
By klayy 2022-08-30 11:35:00
I definitely may have missed this being discussed / debunked already, but I'm thinking A3/A4 is just a matter of not doing something that is considered a weaponskill. Which apparently, Monbereux's dark potion counts as, if that is indeed the requirement.
Only times I have seen those chests reliably is nukes from actual mages combined with other meleeing them down and no WS at all. Not sure magic kill is required but I lean that way. I've probably killed 30+ over three runs with just a COR and trusts and haven't seen it a single time. Some of those August may have messed up, Shantotto maybe as well, maybe Monb. I don't think QD prevents the obj but i'm a COR I cant waste 20 mins meleeing down stuff with a dagger lol. When I take a GEO with me and do 100% nukes, it's 100% success rate. So something is blocking it.... whether it's something a trust does, quick draw, or soe kind of dmg tier nuke that a /rdm with bliz and fire 2 cant reach.. idk. But it's something lol. I have 3 chars and the LS runs 1-2 a day typically. So I usually have one char that I either solo with. I'd love to add the slug to that repertoire but so far absolutely cannot do it with COR/RDM (or /NIN with katon) and trusts.
By Guyford 2022-08-30 11:35:34
In B, has anyone paid attention to which elementals you are claiming without having aggroed, and which you are killing that aggroed a cure or something like that?
A thought I had is that they only count if you claim them without aggroing for either the B1 casket, or B3/B4.
By klayy 2022-08-30 11:41:29
Other thought on that ^ its maybe its time based. We all seem to agree the C blue is quick kills. the Bhoot is 2:30 from spawn. I strongly lean that the blue chest in B those kills have to be done fast, like with 4-5 WS.. A Metal/Shard could be the same. It would allow for a group to burn them down fast and have success and a dagger melee/rdm to fail every time.
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By Shiva.Ragnarzero 2022-08-30 11:51:20
Quote: Starting casting Dia 3x each fight this time. Killed 3 more. Chest A3 popped.
Killed 3 more leeches spamming Dia 3x... still no Chest A4
So I decided to try spamming Dia at least 5x... some fight probably cast a little more than that. 3 more kills, Chest A4 popped.
Based on Posts i've seen here (and i plan to test tonight)
What if A is Kill 3 while casting 3 spells on target, and then Kill 3 more with 5 spells on target, or something like that. Would explain why it is kind of of all over for people maybe the trusts didn't cast enough magic on the mobs.
Just like B might be the same but its Number of WS's
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By Phoenix.Logical 2022-08-30 12:22:38
Oh another thing from my run today. I was reading that many were thinking that you activate Bhoot's red chest by killing him within 2.5 minutes of opening a C gate. Well he aggroed me today through B gate, I opened it, ran to a C gate and kill the bhoot about 1 minute later... no chest. It may have not dropped due to me damaging and aggroing him before opening a C gate but wanted to share my expereince.
By Nehot 2022-08-30 12:37:17
So I've been testing all the B theories other then trueflight spam and today tested what some have been reporting of 4 step skillchains to kill umbril and to do it quickly. Now id tested 4 steps before several times but not quickly so today I entered, went right to the Umbril without getting ANY other objectives. Did two 4 step light radiance skillchains on 5 umbril in a row. each time it died to the 4th step on the 2nd 4 step skillchain for over 30k damage and... nothing. Got to umbril's at the 57:30 Mark. Kills took a little under 1 minutes each. I finished my 5th kill with 53:00 remaining in run. After that I went about my usual farming run as testing these theories the last week has put me behind. Willing to test anything else anyone has positive results with tomorrow.
Which WS's did you use, in which order? What was your WS damage, SC damage? What day of the week was it in game? Anything else you can add would help out greatly.
Personally I dont think the kills have to be quickly after zoning in, its just I went right there because I wanted more time to test things out and happened to work 4 times in a row. I also have different theories on these chests but I only have 2 chars to enter with. Also someone else has reported being on SAM and doing the same steps as I took and was able to replicate it, so that makes me want to know even know what WS's and what your damage was.
Extra theories include: (this is for brown and blue chests in Sector B)
- More then 3 different ws's used on 3+ enemies
- X amount of SC damage
- X step SC (Highly doubt)
- Opposing elemental damage (Non magic, meaning elemental damage from WS's and SC's)
- Type of WS's used
These are just some I can think of right now as there will be more as we continue testing. Tonight I plan to test a 4-step Radiance on DRG as I have been able to get the chests on SAM multiple times. I will then test on my SAM using the same 4-step without getting SC, Fudo > Kasha > Shoha > Fudo while alowing enough time to not SC between WS's. This could answer a few things if I get a chest from no SC's like 3+ WS's or 3+ different WS's. This could also be a bust and do nothing but I am going to work slowly testing one step at a time, I have gotten to the point where I dont need to farm any more gems or muffins so I will willing to spend time testing other theories.
Anyone have theories needing tested please let me know I will post all results and try to do multiple tests to confirm.
By futalis 2022-08-30 12:50:45
For B casket: current theory our group is testing is whether or not you have to have an elemental debuff on you when you kill the elemental.
Our DP cor often has high success doing all the B objectives but last night we had a whm near him that was removing the debuff and caused the objective to not behave as expected.
Not sure if it's a coincidence but will probably test it out today.
He usually just uses leaden salute for lots of damage.
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By Phoenix.Logical 2022-08-30 12:53:53
So I've been testing all the B theories other then trueflight spam and today tested what some have been reporting of 4 step skillchains to kill umbril and to do it quickly. Now id tested 4 steps before several times but not quickly so today I entered, went right to the Umbril without getting ANY other objectives. Did two 4 step light radiance skillchains on 5 umbril in a row. each time it died to the 4th step on the 2nd 4 step skillchain for over 30k damage and... nothing. Got to umbril's at the 57:30 Mark. Kills took a little under 1 minutes each. I finished my 5th kill with 53:00 remaining in run. After that I went about my usual farming run as testing these theories the last week has put me behind. Willing to test anything else anyone has positive results with tomorrow.
Which WS's did you use, in which order? What was your WS damage, SC damage? What day of the week was it in game? Anything else you can add would help out greatly.
Personally I dont think the kills have to be quickly after zoning in, its just I went right there because I wanted more time to test things out and happened to work 4 times in a row. I also have different theories on these chests but I only have 2 chars to enter with. Also someone else has reported being on SAM and doing the same steps as I took and was able to replicate it, so that makes me want to know even know what WS's and what your damage was.
Extra theories include: (this is for brown and blue chests in Sector B)
- More then 3 different ws's used on 3+ enemies
- X amount of SC damage
- X step SC (Highly doubt)
- Opposing elemental damage (Non magic, meaning elemental damage from WS's and SC's)
- Type of WS's used
These are just some I can think of right now as there will be more as we continue testing. Tonight I plan to test a 4-step Radiance on DRG as I have been able to get the chests on SAM multiple times. I will then test on my SAM using the same 4-step without getting SC, Fudo > Kasha > Shoha > Fudo while alowing enough time to not SC between WS's. This could answer a few things if I get a chest from no SC's like 3+ WS's or 3+ different WS's. This could also be a bust and do nothing but I am going to work slowly testing one step at a time, I have gotten to the point where I dont need to farm any more gems or muffins so I will willing to spend time testing other theories.
Anyone have theories needing tested please let me know I will post all results and try to do multiple tests to confirm.
Yep I have it all recorded.
Got to B gate on Watersday at 9:18.
Bhoot aggroed at 9:20
Ten-Kamu-Shun-Shun 4 Step Radiance. Left at 66% HP. Did NOT MB.
Ten-Kamu-Shun 3 Step Light. I got slept before 4th Step sadly. Left at 48% HP.
Ten-Kamu 2 Step Fragmentation. I got slept AGAIN before 3rd step. Left at 42% HP.
I then ran for C gate
Opened Gate C1 at 10:31
Opened brown chest that spawned
Re-engadged bhoost NM
Ten-Kamu-Shun-Shun 4 Step Radiance. Left at 13% HP. Mb'ed twice for 30+k each and Bhoot died to the second Magic Burst at 10:49.
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By Odin.Bangla 2022-08-30 12:54:12
Oh another thing from my run today. I was reading that many were thinking that you activate Bhoot's red chest by killing him within 2.5 minutes of opening a C gate. Well he aggroed me today through B gate, I opened it, ran to a C gate and kill the bhoot about 1 minute later... no chest. It may have not dropped due to me damaging and aggroing him before opening a C gate but wanted to share my expereince.
I think you misunderstood the requirements that people were talking about. It was said that as soon as you enter Section C by warping in to Device C or opening a locked door B, the timer starts ticking on the Bhoot.
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By Phoenix.Logical 2022-08-30 13:00:42
Oh another thing from my run today. I was reading that many were thinking that you activate Bhoot's red chest by killing him within 2.5 minutes of opening a C gate. Well he aggroed me today through B gate, I opened it, ran to a C gate and kill the bhoot about 1 minute later... no chest. It may have not dropped due to me damaging and aggroing him before opening a C gate but wanted to share my expereince.
I think you misunderstood the requirements that people were talking about. It was said that as soon as you enter Section C by warping in to Device C or opening a locked door B, the timer starts ticking on the Bhoot.
Ahhh that would make a difference. The exact note I was reading on BGWiki says
"Vanquish Cachaemic Bhoot within 2.5? minutes after opening a #C gate. "
So when I had aggroed him after running through B, I figured I needed to quickly find a C gate to open before he was killed. This of course took me a bit longer then those 2.5 minutes between the time I entered and killed. Looks like I should have just stayed put and killed him there and it may have worked. Thanks for the clarification, will give it a try tomorrow.
By Nehot 2022-08-30 13:57:15
So I've been testing all the B theories other then trueflight spam and today tested what some have been reporting of 4 step skillchains to kill umbril and to do it quickly. Now id tested 4 steps before several times but not quickly so today I entered, went right to the Umbril without getting ANY other objectives. Did two 4 step light radiance skillchains on 5 umbril in a row. each time it died to the 4th step on the 2nd 4 step skillchain for over 30k damage and... nothing. Got to umbril's at the 57:30 Mark. Kills took a little under 1 minutes each. I finished my 5th kill with 53:00 remaining in run. After that I went about my usual farming run as testing these theories the last week has put me behind. Willing to test anything else anyone has positive results with tomorrow.
Which WS's did you use, in which order? What was your WS damage, SC damage? What day of the week was it in game? Anything else you can add would help out greatly.
Personally I dont think the kills have to be quickly after zoning in, its just I went right there because I wanted more time to test things out and happened to work 4 times in a row. I also have different theories on these chests but I only have 2 chars to enter with. Also someone else has reported being on SAM and doing the same steps as I took and was able to replicate it, so that makes me want to know even know what WS's and what your damage was.
Extra theories include: (this is for brown and blue chests in Sector B)
- More then 3 different ws's used on 3+ enemies
- X amount of SC damage
- X step SC (Highly doubt)
- Opposing elemental damage (Non magic, meaning elemental damage from WS's and SC's)
- Type of WS's used
These are just some I can think of right now as there will be more as we continue testing. Tonight I plan to test a 4-step Radiance on DRG as I have been able to get the chests on SAM multiple times. I will then test on my SAM using the same 4-step without getting SC, Fudo > Kasha > Shoha > Fudo while alowing enough time to not SC between WS's. This could answer a few things if I get a chest from no SC's like 3+ WS's or 3+ different WS's. This could also be a bust and do nothing but I am going to work slowly testing one step at a time, I have gotten to the point where I dont need to farm any more gems or muffins so I will willing to spend time testing other theories.
Anyone have theories needing tested please let me know I will post all results and try to do multiple tests to confirm.
Yep I have it all recorded.
Got to B gate on Watersday at 9:18.
Bhoot aggroed at 9:20
Ten-Kamu-Shun-Shun 4 Step Radiance. Left at 66% HP. Did NOT MB.
Ten-Kamu-Shun 3 Step Light. I got slept before 4th Step sadly. Left at 48% HP.
Ten-Kamu 2 Step Fragmentation. I got slept AGAIN before 3rd step. Left at 42% HP.
I then ran for C gate
Opened Gate C1 at 10:31
Opened brown chest that spawned
Re-engadged bhoost NM
Ten-Kamu-Shun-Shun 4 Step Radiance. Left at 13% HP. Mb'ed twice for 30+k each and Bhoot died to the second Magic Burst at 10:49.
I think you are getting things mixed up, the chests and theories I am talking about are for the brown B chest #3/4 for Shard/Metal B. And the blue B chest #1. And I was fighting the Umbril's not Bhoots.
Phoenix.Logical
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By Phoenix.Logical 2022-08-30 14:16:25
So I've been testing all the B theories other then trueflight spam and today tested what some have been reporting of 4 step skillchains to kill umbril and to do it quickly. Now id tested 4 steps before several times but not quickly so today I entered, went right to the Umbril without getting ANY other objectives. Did two 4 step light radiance skillchains on 5 umbril in a row. each time it died to the 4th step on the 2nd 4 step skillchain for over 30k damage and... nothing. Got to umbril's at the 57:30 Mark. Kills took a little under 1 minutes each. I finished my 5th kill with 53:00 remaining in run. After that I went about my usual farming run as testing these theories the last week has put me behind. Willing to test anything else anyone has positive results with tomorrow.
Which WS's did you use, in which order? What was your WS damage, SC damage? What day of the week was it in game? Anything else you can add would help out greatly.
Personally I dont think the kills have to be quickly after zoning in, its just I went right there because I wanted more time to test things out and happened to work 4 times in a row. I also have different theories on these chests but I only have 2 chars to enter with. Also someone else has reported being on SAM and doing the same steps as I took and was able to replicate it, so that makes me want to know even know what WS's and what your damage was.
Extra theories include: (this is for brown and blue chests in Sector B)
- More then 3 different ws's used on 3+ enemies
- X amount of SC damage
- X step SC (Highly doubt)
- Opposing elemental damage (Non magic, meaning elemental damage from WS's and SC's)
- Type of WS's used
These are just some I can think of right now as there will be more as we continue testing. Tonight I plan to test a 4-step Radiance on DRG as I have been able to get the chests on SAM multiple times. I will then test on my SAM using the same 4-step without getting SC, Fudo > Kasha > Shoha > Fudo while alowing enough time to not SC between WS's. This could answer a few things if I get a chest from no SC's like 3+ WS's or 3+ different WS's. This could also be a bust and do nothing but I am going to work slowly testing one step at a time, I have gotten to the point where I dont need to farm any more gems or muffins so I will willing to spend time testing other theories.
Anyone have theories needing tested please let me know I will post all results and try to do multiple tests to confirm.
Yep I have it all recorded.
Got to B gate on Watersday at 9:18.
Bhoot aggroed at 9:20
Ten-Kamu-Shun-Shun 4 Step Radiance. Left at 66% HP. Did NOT MB.
Ten-Kamu-Shun 3 Step Light. I got slept before 4th Step sadly. Left at 48% HP.
Ten-Kamu 2 Step Fragmentation. I got slept AGAIN before 3rd step. Left at 42% HP.
I then ran for C gate
Opened Gate C1 at 10:31
Opened brown chest that spawned
Re-engadged bhoost NM
Ten-Kamu-Shun-Shun 4 Step Radiance. Left at 13% HP. Mb'ed twice for 30+k each and Bhoot died to the second Magic Burst at 10:49.
I think you are getting things mixed up, the chests and theories I am talking about are for the brown B chest #3/4 for Shard/Metal B. And the blue B chest #1. And I was fighting the Umbril's not Bhoots.
Woops, was talking about both things from my run todday and did get mixed up. Sorry about that. So yes it was watersday and the ws pattern was identical for all 5 mobs
Ten-Kamu-Shun-Shun x2 was needed for all 5 with the umbril dying to the Radiance Skillchain each time.
Ten does 6-8k ws dmg
Kamu does 3-5k ws dmg
Fragmentation does 2-4 ws dmg
Shun does 7-9k ws dmg
Light does 25k-33k dmg
Shun does 7-9 ws dmg
Radiance does 37-45k dmg
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2022-08-30 14:19:03
So when I had aggroed him after running through B, I figured I needed to quickly find a C gate to open before he was killed.
Apparently, he doesn't pop until you open a C gate or warp to C device. So if he aggroed you through a door, then you spawned him previously and you would be ineligible for the chest. At least that's how I understand it.
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By Phoenix.Logical 2022-08-30 14:33:35
So when I had aggroed him after running through B, I figured I needed to quickly find a C gate to open before he was killed.
Apparently, he doesn't pop until you open a C gate or warp to C device. So if he aggroed you through a door, then you spawned him previously and you would be ineligible for the chest. At least that's how I understand it.
I guess I can disprove that now as I had not entered C yet today. From start of run I went to Device A, zoned into B, killed 5 Umbril, used device to get back to A, killed leech nm, used device to get to back to B and then took the NW locked B door, as the door opened he attacked me. So I hadn't even set a foot into C zone by the time he had aggroed me. Now maybe he pops as soon as one of the locked B gates is opened and he just happened to spawn on the other side and instantly aggro me, but that's pretty odd. Just watched the video back and he certainly looks to be spawned and moving around when the locked B door opens.
By Banhammer 2022-08-30 14:38:59
Should we consider breaking this thread into A B C D topics?
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By Shiva.Cerderic 2022-08-30 14:44:58
I definitely may have missed this being discussed / debunked already, but I'm thinking A3/A4 is just a matter of not doing something that is considered a weaponskill. Which apparently, Monbereux's dark potion counts as, if that is indeed the requirement.
Only times I have seen those chests reliably is nukes from actual mages combined with other meleeing them down and no WS at all. Not sure magic kill is required but I lean that way. I've probably killed 30+ over three runs with just a COR and trusts and haven't seen it a single time. Some of those August may have messed up, Shantotto maybe as well, maybe Monb. I don't think QD prevents the obj but i'm a COR I cant waste 20 mins meleeing down stuff with a dagger lol. When I take a GEO with me and do 100% nukes, it's 100% success rate. So something is blocking it.... whether it's something a trust does, quick draw, or soe kind of dmg tier nuke that a /rdm with bliz and fire 2 cant reach.. idk. But it's something lol. I have 3 chars and the LS runs 1-2 a day typically. So I usually have one char that I either solo with. I'd love to add the slug to that repertoire but so far absolutely cannot do it with COR/RDM (or /NIN with katon) and trusts.
It's definitely not "do zero WS" or high damage nukes. Got on my 7th Acuex kill as BLU. Only using Ygnas, Sylvie, Cornelia (2 other members were off doing other stuff in B and D.
This was: 7th acuex i did subduction kill on
spells never exceeded 5k damage
3rd acuex i killed with claim on when it died
4th acuex i used melee/Savage/and subduction
i did zero skillchains
Now assuming we're sure that it has to be the 3rd of something, the only thing that matches is that it was claimed when it died from a spell. though another BLU earlier has reported getting both from 7-8 AoE kills at one time.
By Nehot 2022-08-30 15:24:43
So when I had aggroed him after running through B, I figured I needed to quickly find a C gate to open before he was killed.
Apparently, he doesn't pop until you open a C gate or warp to C device. So if he aggroed you through a door, then you spawned him previously and you would be ineligible for the chest. At least that's how I understand it.
I guess I can disprove that now as I had not entered C yet today. From start of run I went to Device A, zoned into B, killed 5 Umbril, used device to get back to A, killed leech nm, used device to get to back to B and then took the NW locked B door, as the door opened he attacked me. So I hadn't even set a foot into C zone by the time he had aggroed me. Now maybe he pops as soon as one of the locked B gates is opened and he just happened to spawn on the other side and instantly aggro me, but that's pretty odd. Just watched the video back and he certainly looks to be spawned and moving around when the locked B door opens.
I think I can add to that by saying that last nights run I was on ranger and noticed I couldn't pull up any mobs on wide scan past the B locked door into C area. Once I opened the locked door everything populated in wide scan.
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