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By Phoenix.Teorem 2022-08-22 20:02:04
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Ragnarok.Vargasfinio said: »
Another solo run today, further tested the A coffer objectives in regards to not using physical WS. I was MNK/WAR again.

As soon as I zoned in, I warped to Device A and fought Hecteyes:
- 3x auto attack only kills, brown coffer
- 2x more auto attack only kills, blue coffer (5 kills total)
- 1x more auto attack only kill w/ Formless Strikes, brown coffer

No other kills or objectives took place before I started. I used self-buffs only (Berserk, Aggressor, Impetus, Footwork).

Trusts used: Cherukiki, Koru-Moru, Ulmia, Joachim, Cornelia
I've already shown in this thread that using a physical weaponskill on a mob does not prevent you from getting the #A shard when the mob dies. I was able to use Savage Blade in a self-skillchain with a killing Spectral Floe magic burst--meleeing it with 3 PCs and a trust the entire time--to get it.

It certainly sounds like dealing X damage of a single type is on the right track though.
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By cuddlyhamster 2022-08-22 20:31:11
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PSA on D plate. Dont be in a rush to be the first one to drop it. Because unlike all other temp items that kick you out of a zone, this one goes off in a second so there is no time to try to cancel the effect before you are tossed out of a run 10 mins in.
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2022-08-22 20:53:33
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We killed the A, B, and C bosses (all metal+shard) today plus all four mini-NMs. Also, 7/7 in A.

A few observations:
1. Wind hands = big melee damage from Leshhon. Thunder hands = enstun
2. The fomor mini-NM (MNK?) hits hard. We killed him pretty slowly (Kite-nuking) and he only gave 375 muffins.
3. The C NM took fine damage from light skillchains and thunder MBs.
4. I suspect the C monsters (at least skeles) take increased MB damage. I was MBing skeletons for about 8x normal, which feels high
5. It seems like everything in here gains the NM resistance to repeated magic damage, at least if it is of the same element.

Has anyone gotten multiple sapphires in one run yet? We have never seen more than one in a run.
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By Asura.Geriond 2022-08-22 21:00:58
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About the skeletons, that's literally the opposite of what I was encountering today. On RDM, but Fire V bursts were doing 99999 on Acuex and elementals, but only about 50k on the skeletons.

My group got 3 sapphires today (after 4 runs of zero sapphires), so multiple is possible.
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By Asura.Lunafreya 2022-08-22 21:06:01
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Asura.Sensarity said: »
I've come up with a somewhat good route to take, around 12k muffins. Kills Ghatjot, Leshonn, Skomora and all 4 roaming NMs, offering many opportunities for sapphires for earrings. Only kills as many trash mobs as needed. Requires a knowledgable group that knows their way around the map.
Open to feedback, suggestions on how to improve.

Really like this format of the steps/rewards. Also I’m dead at the muffin icons.
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By Ragnarok.Kanryu 2022-08-22 21:07:49
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Alrighty lads and lasses we've got our updates for today. Please feel free to help out with what y'all know.

Spoilered-out triggers that are 100% replicated to save space and your eyes. There are some new objectives in the hidden stuff with confirmations. I'll bold em.

Zone A -

Zone B -
5/7 - Blue Casket #1 - Skillchain kill? (Fuzzy on exact conditions.)
7/7 - Red Coffer - Kill Porxie (Fuzzy on exact conditions.)

Zone C -
5/7 - Blue Casket #1 - Blunt weapon light SC kill on an undead. We have not been able to replicate this but several others including, once again Ahlen, report this working.
6/7 - Blue Casket #2 - We are presuming the pattern holds and this is a non-combat objective.
7/7 - Red Coffer - Kill Bhoot (we presume special condition?) People reporting fire kills.

Zone D -
6/7 - Blue Casket #2 - Reportedly kill AF > Relic > Empy in that order of the same job in a row. We have tried this three times. It either needs extra steps or we are doing something wrong. We are presuming the pattern holds and this is a non-combat objective.


Zone D Boss - Degei
  • Absorbs damage based on most recent TP move. Blue proc by nuking the opposite element. See Perfidien


Misc Fun Facts -

  • We can confirm repeat sapphires from the same coffer.

  • We can also now confirm it is possible to get both Red Coffer and Aurum Coffer from the last NM at the same time.

  • We can confirm sapphires from blue chests.

  • Boss rooms (gadgets) have doors that will slam shut once you engage the boss. Make sure everyone is inside or you're likely screwed.



[The below is now proven false. We either have bad logs from night #1 or something else was happening in the first few hours.]
Being out of exp range will not give you the spoils of a chest.
It appears that you need to be in range both when the chest spawns and when it is opened to get credit for the drops.


New Map -
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By Siren.Gwynplaine 2022-08-22 21:28:05
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Found the dialogue dat for Sortie is located at ROM/373/44.dat. Nothing very revealing or helpful.

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Select a destination.
≺Selection Dialog≻Diaphanous Device.
Diaphanous Device #A.
Diaphanous Device #B.
Diaphanous Device #C.
Diaphanous Device #D.
Materialize ≺Multiple Choice (Parameter 0)≻[/#Abject/#Biune/#Cachaemic/#Demisang] foes.
Never mind.≺Prompt≻

Materialize ≺Multiple Choice (Parameter 0)≻[/#Abject/#Biune/#Cachaemic/#Demisang] foes?
≺Selection Dialog≻Of course.
No thanks.≺Prompt≻

Confirm teleportation.
≺Selection Dialog≻Confirmed!
On second thought...≺Prompt≻

≺Possible Special Code: 1F≻yYou obtain the temporary item: ≺Unknown Parameter (Type: 80) 1≻≺Possible Special Code: 01≻≺Possible Special Code: 05≻#≺BAD CHAR: 8280≻≺BAD CHAR: 80≻≺BAD CHAR: 80≻!≺Prompt≻

≺Possible Special Code: 1F≻yYou lose the temporary item: ≺Unknown Parameter (Type: 80) 1≻≺Possible Special Code: 01≻≺Possible Special Code: 05≻#≺BAD CHAR: 8280≻≺BAD CHAR: 80≻≺BAD CHAR: 80≻.≺Prompt≻

≺Possible Special Code: 1F≻y≺Player Name≻ received ≺Numeric Parameter 0≻ gallimaufry for a total of ≺Numeric Parameter 1≻.≺Prompt≻

≺Possible Special Code: 1F≻y#A treasure coffer status report: ≺Numeric Parameter 0≻/≺Numeric Parameter 1≻ #?: ≺Numeric Parameter 2≻/≺Numeric Parameter 3≻.≺Prompt≻

≺Possible Special Code: 1F≻y#B treasure coffer status report: ≺Numeric Parameter 0≻/≺Numeric Parameter 1≻ #?: ≺Numeric Parameter 2≻/≺Numeric Parameter 3≻.≺Prompt≻

≺Possible Special Code: 1F≻y#C treasure coffer status report: ≺Numeric Parameter 0≻/≺Numeric Parameter 1≻ #?: ≺Numeric Parameter 2≻/≺Numeric Parameter 3≻.≺Prompt≻

≺Possible Special Code: 1F≻y#D treasure coffer status report: ≺Numeric Parameter 0≻/≺Numeric Parameter 1≻ #?: ≺Numeric Parameter 2≻/≺Numeric Parameter 3≻.≺Prompt≻

≺Possible Special Code: 1F≻yYour key item: ≺Unknown Parameter (Type: 80) 1≻≺Possible Special Code: 01≻≺Possible Special Code: 05≻3≺BAD CHAR: 8280≻≺BAD CHAR: 80≻≺BAD CHAR: 80≻ loses is potency and transforms into key item: ≺Unknown Parameter (Type: 80) 1≻≺Possible Special Code: 01≻≺Possible Special Code: 05≻3a≺BAD CHAR: 80≻≺BAD CHAR: 80≻.≺Prompt≻

≺Possible Special Code: 1F≻yYour key item: ≺Unknown Parameter (Type: 80) 1≻≺Possible Special Code: 01≻≺Possible Special Code: 05≻3≺BAD CHAR: 8280≻≺BAD CHAR: 80≻≺BAD CHAR: 80≻ receives ≺Numeric Parameter 1≻ second≺Singular/Plural Choice (Parameter 1)≻[/s] (Earth time) worth of potency. It currently has ≺Numeric Parameter 2≻ second≺Singular/Plural Choice (Parameter 2)≻[/s] remaining.≺Prompt≻

≺Possible Special Code: 1F≻yYour key item: ≺Unknown Parameter (Type: 80) 1≻≺Possible Special Code: 01≻≺Possible Special Code: 05≻3≺BAD CHAR: 8280≻≺BAD CHAR: 80≻≺BAD CHAR: 80≻ is currently full.≺Prompt≻
≺Possible Special Code: 00≻
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By Shiva.Liam 2022-08-22 22:24:20
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Got red chest from Porxie todays run.

4/7 B objectives prior to engaging (shard/metal/plate/locked gate)

did some skillchains during fight, but the actual kill shot was a <4k non MB Holy on Lightsday.

had also done 7/7 in A and killed A boss before we engaged it
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Update notes said that
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New status ailments, tainted and haunted, have been added.
These status ailments cannot be removed by white magic, abilities, or items.
But I was able to remove Taint on MNK using Chakra.

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By Asura.Helmaru 2022-08-23 02:13:26
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We failed to get Casket B1 today again, although we did the same thing as last time.

Has anoyone confirmed this one yet?

Im leaning towards that you have to kill certain set of elements or something, thats why it seems so random.
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By SimonSes 2022-08-23 02:47:11
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Asura.Shupyrg said: »
Update notes said that
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New status ailments, tainted and haunted, have been added.
These status ailments cannot be removed by white magic, abilities, or items.
But I was able to remove Taint on MNK using Chakra.


Chakra overpowered confirmed. Nerf required.
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By Bismarck.Sterk 2022-08-23 03:05:18
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Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
Has anyone gotten multiple sapphires in one run yet?
Yes. We've had 2 runs in a row with double Sapphire drops.
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By Asura.Jokes 2022-08-23 04:36:08
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Porxie - killing the fire elementals then opening the chest + SC > fire MB got the porxie to drop red chest. It might just be the kill fire elemental + open chest part thats the mechanic to get the porxie chest.

Absolutely no idea wtf is up with the bhoot NM. Had a nice run 3 sapphires 2 earrings though
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By Asura.Asalith 2022-08-23 04:57:14
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Asura.Sensarity said: »
I've come up with a somewhat good route to take, around 12k muffins. Kills Ghatjot, Leshonn, Skomora and all 4 roaming NMs, offering many opportunities for sapphires for earrings. Only kills as many trash mobs as needed. Requires a knowledgable group that knows their way around the map.
Open to feedback, suggestions on how to improve.

Cheers for this!

Just followed this guide and we got 3 sapphires and 2 cases(nq)
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By Asura.Shiraj 2022-08-23 05:32:40
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Asura.Sensarity said: »
I've come up with a somewhat good route to take, around 12k muffins. Kills Ghatjot, Leshonn, Skomora and all 4 roaming NMs, offering many opportunities for sapphires for earrings. Only kills as many trash mobs as needed. Requires a knowledgable group that knows their way around the map.
Open to feedback, suggestions on how to improve.
I'd suggest not doing *long* steps such as B key, D key after you do them the first time. Wastes time for optimal runs after first time doing. Based on past 2 runs it seems possible to get roughly 18-19k Gallimaufry consistently (some variations based on Obdella spawns), along with all 4 area bosses and 4 nms in this method.

Usual setup both times was PLD, RDM, COR, BRD, BLU, WHM. (RDM is interchangeable with GEO)
Full time Bolters roll between every group of mobs, Samurai Roll only for fighting, chaos for bosses. Saves time rolling if only need to do 1 roll at a time.

From start: Run north pull around 6-9 Acuex and single target tag each of them while the BLU is aoe cleaving them down. You should get Shard, Metal and blue chest in this 1 pull. Then run straight to A boss and kill. Usually have around 50 minutes left by the time it's dead. Sneak is all you need for this part.

After A boss is dead, straight to B and do B shard/metal objectives along with other blue chests. If porxie is found, kill asap, if you get red chest cool, if not, unlucky (idk proc yet).
Ignore Umbril path and stick to north side for elementals over Umbrils, only go down there if porxie is there after shard/metal drops. saves time not needing to sneak/invis since elementals only aggro to magic.
Once shard/metal drops and porxie is dead you rush to B boss and zerg down, you should have around 40 minutes left by the time it's dead providing everyone is being efficient.

Area C: PLD will pull around 6-7 Corse mobs based on where the optimal pathing is and funnel them in corner. Cor and Blu will work on multistep SCing 1 corse while the RDM low tier nukes for MBs. While this is happening, PLD should solo SC and MB their own SC on another corse; (maybe bard can help with solo light SC/MB idk I don't play bard.) Doing this method we got the shard/metal for C with 32-35 minutes left
Area C boss dies within 2 minutes, probably the easiest boss out of the 4 main ones.

Area D: After killing C boss you run straight to area D probably killed Bhoot NM by now, usually roams around Corses from the past 4 runs I've seen find and kill D NM and if it's in a group of mobs, pull them all. If the NM is in a room full of 9 Fomors, pull everything. Kill nm first, then do multisteps on the remaining Fomors, 6 is all you need to kill while doing multisteps. Same as C objectives, Cor and Blu do 1 mob, PLD soloes another mob both items should drop within 3-4 minutes.
Once D shard/metal drops you go straight to boss and zerg it down, dies within 45s. By the time all 4 main bosses are dead doing this method twice now, we've had 25 minutes to spare roughly. You use the rest of this time cleaving almost every fomor you see, if you're missing any of the smaller NMs(leech, porxie, ghost) then probably use map to determine optimal pathing to find them on wide scan and once all 4 are dead, run back to area D and focus cleaving every Fomor.

Things I'd suggest to change about my own runs:
RUN over a PLD tank for the sole purpose of better survival odds against a mass pull Fomor group. Defense down means tank dies almost instantly in a mass pull, sometimes mob pathing means you can't block so RUN's innately higher Meva has better chance of survival. And yes I've still died with 5/5 Sakpata and carrier's sash because of defense down landing. Mobs go from hitting for 0-20 to 350-450 with defense down, with many Fomors on you, healer isn't keeping you alive unless you bot Panacea or something idk. However if the Fomors are nice and don't run inside of you and you actually CAN block, they aren't threatening at all. Just RUN can lessen any bs RNG that can happen.

Another change would be GEO over RDM for faster cleaves on Fomors.

Optional objectives:
I didn't include objectives such as resting/Devices because they are so quick to do and not really time consuming that you can just run there and do them instantly and on the way to the next area. We do them all except keys. We rest, buff spell, hurray, kill mob at C device and drop entry item.
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By Phoenix.Teorem 2022-08-23 07:47:43
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I was not able to replicate the melee-damage only method to get the #A shard, using WAR/SAM. During this attempt, I:

- moved to Device A and got the spell objective,
- killed Obdella (as it was on the ramp leading north to the Hecteyes) for its objective,
- killed 5 Abject Hecteyes for the 5-kill objective,
- cleared the entire room of Abject Hecteyes (using both Upheaval and melee damage),
- rematerialized the Abject mobs using Device A,
- killed Obdella again (it respawned in the same spot),
- killed 3 more Hecteyes with ONLY melee damage with Kupipi, Joachim, and Cornelia

Neither the #A shard nor metal objectives were met (I only received the 5-kill objective in the area), though I did start to clear other easy objectives in the zone on another character while whittling away the mobs' HP. Kupipi contributed trivial melee damage and I did not use any self buffs in the process (no Berserk, no Aggressor, no Retaliation).

I then gave up and went back to Acuexes. There I was able to get the #A shard while magic bursting on Light skillchains I was making with Upheaval and King's Justice:



This particular acuex took 32561 (~24.4%) physical (melee + weaponskill) damage and 100867 (~75.60%) magic (spell + skillchain) damage, with a slight overkill of likely 2000ish HP.

Again, the act of using a physical weaponskill does not itself prevent you from getting the #A shard. However, it certainly could prevent one from satisfying an objective such as "deal X amount damage of Y type" or something of that nature if the mob simply doesn't have enough HP left to satisfy it because of weaponskill/melee damage use.
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By SimonSes 2022-08-23 08:00:59
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Like I said it's not magic kills naither magic kills only. It's probably number of nukes that doesn't kill the target. Same as SC in area D. Just not sure if you need any specific element or just non killing nuke and how many nukes you need or how many nukes you can be done on single enemy.
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By Bahamut.Belkin 2022-08-23 08:42:29
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I'm a little behind because I was on vacation for a week, so bear with me.

Does anybody have any more information on the Obdella and the conditions of him being up?

I'm thinking that killing 4/4 little NMs for the guaranteed gold chest might be a strong farming strategy for sapphires/old cases.

But sometimes Obdella just doesn't exist? Anybody have a reliable way for finding him/making him pop?
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2022-08-23 08:47:56
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I believe he's always up and it's just a matter of finding him. Could be with the Accuex (N or S), the Leeches in their rooms, or in the Hecteyes. There are even reports, though I haven't personally seen it, of him passing through the D doors. RNG widescan actually helps for this, but I generally just split the party up and have someone run off looking for him while the group does A objectives.
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By Valefor.Kuishen 2022-08-23 09:08:02
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SimonSes said: »
Like I said it's not magic kills naither magic kills only. It's probably number of nukes that doesn't kill the target. Same as SC in area D. Just not sure if you need any specific element or just non killing nuke and how many nukes you need or how many nukes you can be done on single enemy.

I think it's just enough magic damage of a certain element then, cause we got both chests from those objectives last night doing the No WS method, but it was taking longer than what people claimed. I was on RDM and using enthunder (on both leeches and hecteyes) and both chests dropped on my kills.
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By Heghmoh 2022-08-23 09:11:43
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Bismarck.Sterk said: »
Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
Has anyone gotten multiple sapphires in one run yet?
Yes. We've had 2 runs in a row with double Sapphire drops.

I picked up 4 in yesterdays run...after having gotten none to date.
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By Cerberus.Shadowmeld 2022-08-23 09:13:01
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Carbuncle.Maletaru said: »
I believe he's always up and it's just a matter of finding him. Could be with the Accuex (N or S), the Leeches in their rooms, or in the Hecteyes. There are even reports, though I haven't personally seen it, of him passing through the D doors. RNG widescan actually helps for this, but I generally just split the party up and have someone run off looking for him while the group does A objectives.

I have actually had it just on the other side of the Locked D door at the Device A spot. I was able to provoke it through the door and get it to come into the area for me to fight.
 
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By Asura.Sensarity 2022-08-23 09:29:53
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Asura.Shiraj said: »
I'd suggest not doing *long* steps such as B key, D key after you do them the first time. Wastes time for optimal runs after first time doing. Based on past 2 runs it seems possible to get roughly 18-19k Gallimaufry consistently (some variations based on Obdella spawns), along with all 4 area bosses and 4 nms in this method.
While I agree, it seems that ANY chest has a chance to give sapphires and old cases. In our run last night, we got an Old Case +1 from the B Key chest. Considering you can have one person split off to do these objectives, I think it's a worthwhile use of time for the chance at an item.
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Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
2. The fomor mini-NM (MNK?) hits hard. We killed him pretty slowly (Kite-nuking) and he only gave 375 muffins.
He was a WAR in our run.
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By Cerberus.Kaht 2022-08-23 10:05:07
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cuddlyhamster said: »
PSA on D plate. Dont be in a rush to be the first one to drop it. Because unlike all other temp items that kick you out of a zone, this one goes off in a second so there is no time to try to cancel the effect before you are tossed out of a run 10 mins in.

Dropping the plate doesn't kick you out of the zone. USING the plate kicks you out of the zone.
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By Ragnarok.Kanryu 2022-08-23 10:15:23
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Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
2. The fomor mini-NM (MNK?) hits hard. We killed him pretty slowly (Kite-nuking) and he only gave 375 muffins.

This guy changes jobs, and races, and has a random mish-mash of armor every time you enter. We were originally operating under the assumption that it was important what he was wearing, but given that only one blue chest in D is missing... maybe? At best?

If his gear/job/race is some kind of clue we haven't successfully puzzled it out yet. And shoes are really hard to tell apart from one another.
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2022-08-23 11:33:42
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Dropping the plate doesn't kick you out of the zone. USING the plate kicks you out of the zone.

Also it's not a plate it's a butterfly.
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