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By Starbucks 2022-08-10 05:26:46
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Nariont said: »
You don't need r25 nyame, nin/sam both were wrecking stuff with hybrids when r20 was the top, 25 just makes it even better, nyame comes packed with everything hybrid WS could ever want its downright silly
What about at R0? lol
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By Starbucks 2022-08-10 05:28:36
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Bahamut.Justthetip said: »
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But DRG is the #1 DD on paper, why don't you use a DRG???
We did once. He wiped us on a red dragon pack because his kclub was feeding too much TP and he couldn't finish one off before nullsong.
BUT ON PAPER IT IS THE BEST DRG THEREFORE EVERYONE USES A DRG 100% ALWAYS FOR ALL CONTENT
This depends on your server tbh idk what you talking about but drg is used on bahamut well good drgs are anyway. Drg isn't like war where you roll face on keyboard and get good dps though maybe that's the problem?
Well, anyway, the point was that DRG isn't anywhere near as desired as WAR DRK SAM, and on the side of that not got the same usefulness as BLU for other things like cleaving, etc. I think BLU is a more desired and generally useful job than DRG.
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By Nariont 2022-08-10 05:30:29
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Likely better sets out there then, but it doesnt take too long for them to overtake, DA/WSD/mab/atk/macc/acc all in one place does wonders. But same could be said for the other DDs at r0 gear, im just saying nyame was absurd for hybrid WS, comparitively moreso than regular WS imo, they were already pretty potent in certain niches, nyame just widened that out some

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Well, anyway, the point was that DRG isn't anywhere near as desired as WAR DRK SAM,

I still say basing anything off pugs is silly. Especially asura, "standards" here are all out of whack 99% of the time
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By IGDC 2022-08-10 05:30:32
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SimonSes said: »
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This is fine to write on a forum, and this is EXACTLY what I am saying here. On paper does not translate to in-game actual use. How many of you genuinely use a DRG in your static, or for anything other than maybe Bumba? Which can be done with a SB DRK in place.

I full time DRG in our static segments runs and Im talking from in game experience. DRG/dnc Naelging/Kraken is stupidly OP. 70-80k (1500TP+, which is usually 2 rounds) Savage with crazy TP gain and Spirit/Soul jumps giving 1500-3000TP. Circle works for puks/Wyverns/Wyrm/Dahaks (Savage goes up to 90k+ then). You can one shot Flans and Wamouracampa too.

I am almost ML40 on drg solely from segment farms. I do go /war though instead of /dnc
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By Starbucks 2022-08-10 05:33:14
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COR should parse more than 13.8% in my experience?

Also using sword feels cheap and not at all how the job was intended. Imagine BLU became the best DD but USING A DAGGER, it would completely ruin the job like no Polearm on DRG!
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By IGDC 2022-08-10 05:34:23
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COR should parse more than 13.8% in my experience?

Yes it should. I don't have a static and this is from a pug.
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By Starbucks 2022-08-10 05:35:05
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IGDC said: »
Starbucks said: »
COR should parse more than 13.8% in my experience?

Yes it should. I don't have a static and this is from a pug.
So you did well in a pug with a bad COR therefore DRG is the best? ok!
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By Nariont 2022-08-10 05:36:25
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Imagine BLU became the best DD but USING A DAGGER

Occasionally black halo is indeed the better WS to spam, and before that realmrazer was one of the better WS' to spam before the big WS change, that said naegling savage on all the jobs is indeed a curse, its a very effective one though
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By Starbucks 2022-08-10 05:37:25
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Nariont said: »
Starbucks said: »
Imagine BLU became the best DD but USING A DAGGER

Occasionally black halo is indeed the better WS to spam, and before that realmrazer was one of the better WS' to spam before the big WS change, that said naegling savage on all the jobs is indeed a curse, its a very effective one though
I know, but I mean using an odd and unintended weapon type near full time. Does DRG even switch to Polearm for piercing weak mobs, or it's still worse than SB?
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By Nariont 2022-08-10 05:40:16
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if its not weak to piercing, or really strong to slashing, savage blade all the things, every job, every time
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By SimonSes 2022-08-10 05:43:39
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Starbucks said: »
Nariont said: »
Starbucks said: »
Imagine BLU became the best DD but USING A DAGGER

Occasionally black halo is indeed the better WS to spam, and before that realmrazer was one of the better WS' to spam before the big WS change, that said naegling savage on all the jobs is indeed a curse, its a very effective one though
I know, but I mean using an odd and unintended weapon type near full time. Does DRG even switch to Polearm for piercing weak mobs, or it's still worse than SB?

You switch for slashing -50%, not piercing weak. There is no reason to switch to polearm and do 90k+ Impulse with 2000+TP instead of ~75k Savage, because mobs have like 60-75k HP and you TP faster with Naegling/KC.

Ofc you could feel bad about using Naegling, but it doesn't change the fact that it destroys that content.
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By Asura.Lunafreya 2022-08-10 05:45:03
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DRG Head is a nice little surprise I suppose. +3 version will for sure be our new BiS WS head.

DEF:130 HP+63 STR+31 DEX+27 VIT+30 AGI+25 INT+21 MND+21 CHR+21 Accuracy+51 Attack+61 Magic Accuracy+51 Evasion+76 Magic Evasion+88 "Magic Def. Bonus"+5 Polearm skill +22 Haste+7% Weapon skill damage +8% Wyvern: Accuracy+51 Magic Accuracy+51 Absorbs damage taken +16% Set: Attack occ. varies with wyvern's HP
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By SimonSes 2022-08-10 05:47:49
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Asura.Lunafreya said: »
DRG Head is a nice little surprise I suppose. +3 version will for sure be our new BiS WS head.

DEF:130 HP+63 STR+31 DEX+27 VIT+30 AGI+25 INT+21 MND+21 CHR+21 Accuracy+51 Attack+61 Magic Accuracy+51 Evasion+76 Magic Evasion+88 "Magic Def. Bonus"+5 Polearm skill +22 Haste+7% Weapon skill damage +8% Wyvern: Accuracy+51 Magic Accuracy+51 Absorbs damage taken +16% Set: Attack occ. varies with wyvern's HP

Depends how high will that WSD go and what Nyame will get at R30. I wouldn't say "for sure".
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By IGDC 2022-08-10 05:49:36
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Asura.Lunafreya said: »
DRG Head is a nice little surprise I suppose. +3 version will for sure be our new BiS WS head.

DEF:130 HP+63 STR+31 DEX+27 VIT+30 AGI+25 INT+21 MND+21 CHR+21 Accuracy+51 Attack+61 Magic Accuracy+51 Evasion+76 Magic Evasion+88 "Magic Def. Bonus"+5 Polearm skill +22 Haste+7% Weapon skill damage +8% Wyvern: Accuracy+51 Magic Accuracy+51 Absorbs damage taken +16% Set: Attack occ. varies with wyvern's HP

It would be interesting to see (yet 100% doubtful) if they added secondary stats in. e.g. instead of wsd going from 8 to 16 or whatever, to see DA+8 or STP+8 added on instead. that'd be a nice cause of rage for not beating nyame (or +3af/relic lol) but still giving a few nice TP pieces out.
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By Asura.Lunafreya 2022-08-10 05:54:10
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SimonSes said: »
Asura.Lunafreya said: »
DRG Head is a nice little surprise I suppose. +3 version will for sure be our new BiS WS head.

DEF:130 HP+63 STR+31 DEX+27 VIT+30 AGI+25 INT+21 MND+21 CHR+21 Accuracy+51 Attack+61 Magic Accuracy+51 Evasion+76 Magic Evasion+88 "Magic Def. Bonus"+5 Polearm skill +22 Haste+7% Weapon skill damage +8% Wyvern: Accuracy+51 Magic Accuracy+51 Absorbs damage taken +16% Set: Attack occ. varies with wyvern's HP

Depends how high will that WSD go and what Nyame will get at R30. I wouldn't say "for sure".


Fair enough. Will be a good alternative for the moderate amount of players who aren’t going to be able to obtain R30 Nyame.
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By Asura.Chiaia 2022-08-10 05:56:53
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SimonSes said: »
Asura.Lunafreya said: »
DRG Head is a nice little surprise I suppose. +3 version will for sure be our new BiS WS head.

DEF:130 HP+63 STR+31 DEX+27 VIT+30 AGI+25 INT+21 MND+21 CHR+21 Accuracy+51 Attack+61 Magic Accuracy+51 Evasion+76 Magic Evasion+88 "Magic Def. Bonus"+5 Polearm skill +22 Haste+7% Weapon skill damage +8% Wyvern: Accuracy+51 Magic Accuracy+51 Absorbs damage taken +16% Set: Attack occ. varies with wyvern's HP

Depends how high will that WSD go and what Nyame will get at R30. I wouldn't say "for sure".
We have a pretty good idea of what R30 Nyame looks like already when they added R25 they be filled it out to R30 and the numbers look on point. They could go back and change again but the scaling wouldn't make sense then.

https://gist.github.com/Chiaia/9bb22e7544239d636faf7bcc0de7372a
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By Starbucks 2022-08-10 05:57:23
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SimonSes said: »
Ofc you could feel bad about using Naegling, but it doesn't change the fact that it destroys that content.
That was a side point, and my issue is not and has never been that DRG is not able to do a lot of damage. The issue, as reiterated serveral times, is that this does not translate to being as desirable as other jobs generally.
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By Asura.Essylt 2022-08-10 05:58:39
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Asura.Chiaia said: »
We have a pretty good idea of what R30 Nyame looks like already when they added R25 they be filled it out to R30 and the numbers look on point. They could go back and change again but the scaling wouldn't make sense then.
Didn't they say they will add an extra augment slot instead of pushing existing ones higher?
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By Asura.Chiaia 2022-08-10 06:00:29
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Asura.Essylt said: »
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We have a pretty good idea of what R30 Nyame looks like already when they added R25 they be filled it out to R30 and the numbers look on point. They could go back and change again but the scaling wouldn't make sense then.
Didn't they say they will add an extra augment slot instead of pushing existing ones higher?
If they did that was after the fact of me dumping them then. I haven't played since before that update. I do remember the JPs also being pissed off at it, so maybe they did change it. Either way they took the time to fill it out for 10 more ranks at that time so we knew pretty much what they HAD planned for.
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By SimonSes 2022-08-10 06:02:03
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Asura.Chiaia said: »
SimonSes said: »
Asura.Lunafreya said: »
DRG Head is a nice little surprise I suppose. +3 version will for sure be our new BiS WS head.

DEF:130 HP+63 STR+31 DEX+27 VIT+30 AGI+25 INT+21 MND+21 CHR+21 Accuracy+51 Attack+61 Magic Accuracy+51 Evasion+76 Magic Evasion+88 "Magic Def. Bonus"+5 Polearm skill +22 Haste+7% Weapon skill damage +8% Wyvern: Accuracy+51 Magic Accuracy+51 Absorbs damage taken +16% Set: Attack occ. varies with wyvern's HP

Depends how high will that WSD go and what Nyame will get at R30. I wouldn't say "for sure".
We have a pretty good idea of what R30 Nyame looks like already when they added R25 they be filled it out to R30 and the numbers look on point. They could go back and change again but the scaling wouldn't make sense then.

https://gist.github.com/Chiaia/9bb22e7544239d636faf7bcc0de7372a

They said they will add 4th augment for armor and 3rd for accessories, so the list above 25 might be just placeholder or is not complete.
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By Bahamut.Mhysa 2022-08-10 06:02:39
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Yay, White Mage stuff! :)
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By Asura.Chiaia 2022-08-10 06:02:59
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Ah ok thanks for the heads up. Any one mind linking where that was said?
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By SimonSes 2022-08-10 06:04:35
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Starbucks said: »
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The issue, as reiterated serveral times, is that this does not translate to being as desirable as other jobs generally.
This changed by far, at least among people that regularly play the game and are aware of DRG current power. Might not in Asura PUGs.
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By Afania 2022-08-10 06:04:42
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Afania, youre completely missing the points. I'm not saying blu should replace cor or that cor should be nerfed or anything like that.

Cor has gotten updates, HUGE updates in ALL aspects of their play.

Blu has not.

That's hyperbole, though. BLU gets malig like many other jobs. It gets naegling/nyame like many other jobs. It's even on maxentius which is pretty damn good.

Sure, you or draylo wanted duration buffs. But not having them is not the same as getting nothing ever.

Then when I pointed out the hyperbole in BLU QQ posts people changed the topic to pt invite issue which is a totally different issue.

I mean...if you want to exaggerate in Draylo style then go ahead >.> But I am just gonna make fun about the them as usual! >.>
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By SimonSes 2022-08-10 06:05:45
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Asura.Chiaia said: »
Ah ok thanks for the heads up. Any one mind linking where that was said?

I think in the May Digest? Let me check

EDIT: Yeah 4min6sec

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By Asura.Chiaia 2022-08-10 06:07:30
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thx Simon
Edit: I wonder if they will keep augments going to R30 they already added and on top of it add a 4th/3rd augment.
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2022-08-10 06:12:44
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Afania said: »
IGDC said: »
Afania, youre completely missing the points. I'm not saying blu should replace cor or that cor should be nerfed or anything like that.

Cor has gotten updates, HUGE updates in ALL aspects of their play.

Blu has not.

That's hyperbole, though. BLU gets malig like many other jobs. It gets naegling/nyame like many other jobs. It's even on maxentius which is pretty damn good.

Sure, you or draylo wanted duration buffs. But not having them is not the same as getting nothing ever.

Then when I pointed out the hyperbole in BLU QQ posts people changed the topic to pt invite issue which is a totally different issue.

I mean...if you want to exaggerate in Draylo style then go ahead >.> But I am just gonna make fun about the them as usual! >.>
No you changed the topic and started with blu should cry about gear cor should be crying over gear. Just let it die you seem to think blu has no reason to complain about gear and clearly don't play the job or haven't in forever. Saying because they got the same gear everyone got then they shouldn't be complaining then by that token nor should cors about gear which means your comment makes even less sense than before. All in all blu needed help it didn't get and it's not just game mechanics. Cor wasn't doing damage that spot be with geo but se more sure that wouldn't happen by nerfing geo debuff bubbles.
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By Starbucks 2022-08-10 06:15:42
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Bahamut.Justthetip said: »
Afania said: »
IGDC said: »
Afania, youre completely missing the points. I'm not saying blu should replace cor or that cor should be nerfed or anything like that.

Cor has gotten updates, HUGE updates in ALL aspects of their play.

Blu has not.

That's hyperbole, though. BLU gets malig like many other jobs. It gets naegling/nyame like many other jobs. It's even on maxentius which is pretty damn good.

Sure, you or draylo wanted duration buffs. But not having them is not the same as getting nothing ever.

Then when I pointed out the hyperbole in BLU QQ posts people changed the topic to pt invite issue which is a totally different issue.

I mean...if you want to exaggerate in Draylo style then go ahead >.> But I am just gonna make fun about the them as usual! >.>
No you changed the topic and started with blu should cry about gear cor should be crying over gear. Just let it die you seem to think blu has no reason to complain about gear and clearly don't play the job or haven't in forever. Saying because they got the same gear everyone got then they shouldn't be complaining then by that token nor should cors about gear which means your comment makes even less sense than before. All in all blu needed help it didn't get and it's not just game mechanics. Cor wasn't doing damage that spot be with geo but se more sure that wouldn't happen by nerfing geo debuff bubbles.
Do we need another DD at the top tier? Should BLU not just be useful for other things?
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By Leviathan.Stamos 2022-08-10 06:17:48
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No one is wanting BLU to be top tier as a DD. Everyone is clamoring for their buff durations to be enhanced. You know, to make it a hybrid job instead of a DD that uses MG every 5 minutes that can cleave trash mobs
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By Valefor.Worlace 2022-08-10 06:19:57
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Has there been an XiView update yet?
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