Mnk H2H Choices

I mean, master mnk stock has 35, (+25) auspice is (over)cap, then the "standard" 25 II is standard. (Niq Sherida Moon+1)

But dispel! ...and?

Have you even read this whole discussion that you are referencing or just last post? The target set was 50%DT (not 50%PDT or 50% MDT with Shell etc. 50%DT) and capped SB and as much HP as possible and if you can achieve it without Sagitta and what are the compromise and how it looks from DPS wise.

Your basically took the same set we are discussing for Sagitta, but switched ring and feet, except you for some reason missed that MNK can use Chirich.

What? XD With Auspice you are way overcapped without anything. You just need SBII at this point, but we are not discussing build with Auspice. You need real WHM for that. You wont always have one.


Again, not sure if you read the discussion? Bhikku +1 has already been missing on most discussed TP impetus UP sets on last page.

I know you didnt. Thats my point. You had some strange +5acc +8SB ring that I have never seen, instead of Chirich+1 which is acc+10 SB+10 stp+6.


The point is that 50%DT actually also works for breath damage while pdt and mdt doesnt. You could argue breath damage is rare or something etc. but thats not the point. We were not discussing how much survivability you can ignore in this set, but we simply trying to discuss difference between Sagitta A and other weapons in context of very safe TP set.

No we are discussing specific set and weapon differences for this set. What you are trying to do is force discussion on how useful is that set. Its completely separate discussion that would actually require context like buffs/debuffs, target, Aoe moves etc. Now this specific set and weapon differences in it doesnt require any context to discuss it.

1. Its not in the vacuum. Thorny was/is using such set. He probably 6box, he might not want to change equip that often when he is busy with other chars.
2. You can swap equip for specific moves if you have time, but not everyone want to do it that frequently and not everyone want to risk not being fast enough. inb4 React. I never discuss anything with React being available. I dont mind people using it, but if you use it as an argument in discussion then you probably shouldnt discuss with me.
3. The main point was defensive difference between Sagitta A and other weapons. It doesnt even matter what exactly set you want to achieve (tho here we had a specific set in mind), but how much easier it is with SagittaA and if compromises you need to make with other weapons to catch up with SagittaA survivability are big enough to drops DPS under SagittaA build. Ultimately the point was if SagittaA is worth to get, because if you can notice the title of this topic is "Mnk H2H choices"

Set with Veret will look the same as with Godhands if we are talking about survivability being the main concern, so there is no point doing multiply.


Thats the point tho. Is it still better h2h when you can use better offensive gear with SagittaA. I wouldnt personally consider going from Malignance feet to Kenda feet as big meva drop. Its "just" 11 meva. Also you SB set still doesnt make sense, it's too much for set with Auspice and not enough without Auspice.


Sets discussed on previous page were mostly 4/5 malignance + kenda feet and meva problem with bhikku+1 was mentioned by Thorny in his post too. If you have people blocked and cant see their post, its your problem really.

The whole discussion on previous page is about sagitta sets vs Veret sets, but Veret sets aren't posted, but described how they would be different and dps numbers for them are compared to Sagitta. That's why I was asking you several times, have you read it? Because it kinda looks like you scrolled through "pics".

I'm arguing that SagittaA seems pointless, because Veret even with dps sacrifices to match 10%DT on Sagitta, still pulls ahead in DPS. Imo if you make Sagitta path C is better choice, because it can be used when survivability is a total priority. Ofc I wouldn't make that Sagitta before Veret or Godhands.

What sets are you using and what mob stats?

Well I changed sets to what you posted to avoid differences. Mob is 130lv Apex crab with 250AGI and 350VIT. Def and evasion doesnt matter since both are overcapped from frailty/fury/chaos/honor/madrigal.

Tbh, it's more of two other factors. If I'm at my pc doing content, I don't mind changing equip but I also don't use react or any automation past what is required to succeed, as I want to be actively doing something the entire time I'm playing.

However, I like to automate content, and the goal in that case is to achieve as close to 100% success rate as possible while entirely afk. If you're looking at anything from that perspective, the kill time becomes even more irrelevant than it already is. Perfect healer reactions are no problem, my stuff is much better than public heal bots. But, perfect reaction times don't account for instance lag or dropped packets, and anyone who's played FFXI endgame knows those are common issues.

Additionally, the last thing I was doing when I played was 3/4char-ing w2 bosses with MNK BRD RDM (cor). Dyna boss tp moves are instant and I assume any new and difficult content probably follows the trend, since they know react is commonplace. (Would also guess that MNK/NIN gives sagitta a bit of edge, since with utsu reducing active melee time a larger percent of it goes to AM, but may be negligible.)

Yea, using react as a default gameplay element is ridiculous. If you've got react set up for every tp move and spell that might hit you, surely you can draw your own conclusion that this sort of set is not as important to you. Obviously keep in mind the handful of tp moves that can't be swapped fast enough, but duh.

Can you just post it so I can see for sure? Something is obviously different. Are you using bhikku cyclas for sagitta? That also gets me around the same values you get.

You also seem to be using different buffs

Does making Godhands after Verethragna really help that much while Impetus is down or hard to use? Just how much do you use it if you have both weapons?

If you already have R15 Vere, I honestly wouldn't even bother. Most content today is wham bam thank you ma'am.

I don't bother swapping into Godhands when Impetus is down with Verethragna, though I could. Just never cared to optimize to that degree before. My Godhands isn't R15 either, but kind of hard for me to justify using it only as a swap for when my primary buff is down. I don't think it's a necessary thing, just a way of upkeep on highest dps possible.

Looking over the dps numbers Simon posted in March of 2019 because I didn't see any more up to date numbers it looks like Godhands are a big let down for current owners of Verethragna. Even more so if they rank 15 the Veret and keep the Godhands at rank 0 like I imagine many do. While it's true based on these numbers that Godhands out performs Veret while impetus is down it's not enough to matter over 5min.

Impetus dps advantage was multiplied by 0.6, Impetus down/Footwork up dps advantage was multiplied by 0.2, Impetus down/Footwork down dps advantage was multiplied by 0.2, then they were all added together. I'm not sure if this is the proper way to do this. If I'm wrong please offer a better way to sum the dps advantage of each weapon over 5min.

With both R0 I have Veret winning by 379.8dps-471.8dps based on buffs. That's without taking into consideration skillchains.

If both are R15, Veret wins by 811.6dps-830.8dps.

That difference would be even wider if we compared R15 Veret to R0 Godhands. Comparing R15 Veret to R0 Godhands the empyrean beat the aeonic by 1186.4dps-1350.4dps.

I've often heard that it is required to R15 Veret, but these numbers look like Godhands also need R15 to compete well with Veret.

I did notice one possible typo in Simon's post. R0 Godhands had the same dps under two different buff conditions. That seems unlikely. But I don't think it alters the story much. I've decided to stick to Verethragna unless I don't have any other Aeonic I want to make.

U suck all..nevertheless which weapon u have...real monks uses Destroyers

Spharai is a solid choice. Most bis monk gear doesn't have ta/da on it and counter is OP. In a parse war between all the choices it won't be at the top but in terms of all around effectiveness it is #1. I'm building one for my duo box team (rema brd + monk)

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