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 Asura.Aburaage
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By Asura.Aburaage 2020-08-06 09:29:48
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3x nin rdm brd whm seems to work ok, migawari negates mijin
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By Sylph.Brahmsz 2020-08-06 09:36:51
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Asura.Xavikon said: »
Seems like these can't be AFAC by Summoner. Seeing significant damage resistance after the first BP down to 10% damage taken on subsequent BPs.
Can someone please confirm?

Possibly switch BP to see if alternating works? For science.
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By Pantafernando 2020-08-06 09:38:15
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Nothing past dyna div (aside odin maybe?) allowed SMN conduit.

So nothing will ever allow that again
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By Pantafernando 2020-08-06 09:38:38
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Asura.Aburaage said: »
3x nin rdm brd whm seems to work ok, migawari negates mijin

Nerf NIN
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By Asura.Lunafreya 2020-08-06 09:40:29
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Pantafernando said: »
Asura.Aburaage said: »
3x nin rdm brd whm seems to work ok, migawari negates mijin

Nerf NIN

You shut your *** mouth! xD


Please be a NIN month, please be a NIN month...
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By Pantafernando 2020-08-06 09:42:10
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If migawari works, then scherzo+EA gonna work too
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By Asura.Xavikon 2020-08-06 09:43:02
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Sylph.Brahmsz said: »
Asura.Xavikon said: »
Seems like these can't be AFAC by Summoner. Seeing significant damage resistance after the first BP down to 10% damage taken on subsequent BPs.
Can someone please confirm?

Possibly switch BP to see if alternating works? For science.

I tried Flaming Crush + Volt Strike, Hysteric Assault + Flaming Crush, and a few other combos. The second always seemed to be minimal compared to the first. Should be noted my SMNs are not amazingly geared, but the damage drop off was so significant and so consistent I think it is unlikely it can be overcome. For science did AFAC Hysteric Assault and AFAC Flaming Crush, seemed like the damage resistance stayed high for the duration of AFAC (BPing on cooldown) so it seems like it gained the buff every time it was hit by a BP. It was not a decreasing amount of damage either, first hit was solid, second to N hits were all ~the same reduced damage.

This was with a BoG+Ecliptic Frailty and Malaise up.
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By Pantafernando 2020-08-06 09:44:24
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Talking about scherzo+migawari

Yesterday mireu flailed me for 2k dmg with a -80% pdt set.

If i had scherzo and EA, would this dmg reduce to less than 500?
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By eeternal 2020-08-06 09:44:59
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Been consistent in killing it without a tank.. setup MNK COR BRD RDM GEO WHM..

Schezro and RDM/BLM fully buffed sleepaga and zerg the adds.. around 5-7 mins
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By Asura.Geriond 2020-08-06 10:19:28
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Do you need Elemental Seal to reliably land Sleepga on the first cast, or can it be done with top line gear without?
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By Asura.Aburaage 2020-08-06 10:22:37
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definitely need ES
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By Bahamut.Justthetip 2020-08-06 10:23:13
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eeternal said: »
Been consistent in killing it without a tank.. setup MNK COR BRD RDM GEO WHM..

Schezro and RDM/BLM fully buffed sleepaga and zerg the adds.. around 5-7 mins
If this is true then pretty much any DD and rest of setup same would work just fine. Maybe people over thinking it?
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By Bahamut.Belkin 2020-08-06 10:23:36
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And even with ES, some may resist because they have Resist Sleep trait.
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By eeternal 2020-08-06 10:30:58
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Elemental Seal.. Indi-focus.. Tropical... 1 or 2 might get resist and I just sleepga again.

One thing to note, when 2 mobs left, I saboteur frazzle3 sleep2 and addle2 and easily burn through them. If I don't fully debuff the last mobs, I will get one shot.

Mnk helps alot with Mantra honestly, and it takes about 5 mins to kill.. Definitely an easy month.
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By Bahamut.Belkin 2020-08-06 11:15:42
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eeternal said: »
Elemental Seal.. Indi-focus.. Tropical... 1 or 2 might get resist and I just sleepga again.

One thing to note, when 2 mobs left, I saboteur frazzle3 sleep2 and addle2 and easily burn through them. If I don't fully debuff the last mobs, I will get one shot.

Mnk helps alot with Mantra honestly, and it takes about 5 mins to kill.. Definitely an easy month.

Are you even bothering with the silence mechanic?
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By eeternal 2020-08-06 11:18:14
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I don't silence at all.. if I do, it happens to do some nasty move, I don't recall the name and I haven't done enough testing to prove it, so I addle2 and zerg it, literally the mobs are handicapped with addle2, they barely get one spell
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By Bahamut.Belkin 2020-08-06 11:22:07
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eeternal said: »
I don't silence at all.. if I do, it happens to do some nasty move, I don't recall the name and I haven't done enough testing to prove it, so I addle2 and zerg it, literally the mobs are handicapped with addle2, they barely get one spell

Last question: your COR meleeing?
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By eeternal 2020-08-06 11:24:55
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yeah even rdm .. black halo still does great damage without dual wield.. temper2 helps
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By tyalangan 2020-08-06 11:52:10
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tl;dr:
  • Kill in melee mode while DDing in mage mode to prevent strengthening

  • Mijin under 3% (??)

  • Hurl Anathema can be blocked by shadows



Watching Kaggra's RDM solo I noticed he avoids any Mijin in either of his videos on Normal and Difficult. Unsure if those modes can Mijin but I would assume at least Difficult can. One of the translations I did through screenshot on mobile (youtube > Import to Google Translate) said something about less than 3% HP. So, maybe they don't Mijin above that HP threshold which is why he was able to kill all without Mijin. I cannot read Japanese and Google Translate didn't help much but it seems he may be saying to place the Mamool in melee mode and keep it that way throughout the fight.

He kills the first mob as a Melee. Then keeps the remaining mobs in Mage mode until the very end and silences them at low HP. I assume this is to avoid them strengthening if continually killed in the same mode. That way they always start in the weaker mode (Mage).

I'll add to OP but as Wotasu and Robear mentioned on first page Hurl Anathema is single target caused by Silencing. This can be blocked by shadows so RDM/NIN can be unaffected by this move as long as a badly timed AOE doesn't go off.

EDIT: Mrgrim stated on the first page that no Mamool Mijin'd when silence was applied after Manafont was used. Let's verify. That could also play into why Kaggra waited until low health to switch modes.
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By Bismarck.Ringoko 2020-08-06 13:05:54
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My party last night was killing them after being silenced and the rest of the mamools were not strengthened. They did continue to Mijin though.. Bard was able to silence after multiple attempts, rdm easily silences.
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By Asura.Aburaage 2020-08-06 15:16:07
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They can mijin only when silenced
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By Asura.Sirris 2020-08-06 15:24:00
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Asura.Xavikon said: »
Seems like these can't be AFAC by Summoner. Seeing significant damage resistance after the first BP down to 10% damage taken on subsequent BPs.

LOL as an aside I love these SMN nerfs. This is clearly going to be a thing for all new content.
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By Asura.Eiryl 2020-08-06 15:25:17
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Asura.Sirris said: »
Asura.Xavikon said: »
Seems like these can't be AFAC by Summoner. Seeing significant damage resistance after the first BP down to 10% damage taken on subsequent BPs.

LOL as an aside I love these SMN nerfs. This is clearly going to be a thing for all new content.

if you love that, just wait until it's all damaging actions.

Oh you just weaponskilled? all damage reduced for 5 seconds. Cast dia? 10 second cool down on 99% damage nerf.

(basically the only way they know how to nerf a zerg since 100% of content is zerg onry)
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By Asura.Aburaage 2020-08-06 15:25:24
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SE gods are punishing us for mercing ambu
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By Asura.Geriond 2020-08-06 16:35:36
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Is it specifically a SMN-only nerf, or the same "repeated WS/TP Move" nerf that a bunch of enemies have now?
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By Pantafernando 2020-08-06 16:48:29
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Asura.Eiryl said: »
Asura.Sirris said: »
Asura.Xavikon said: »
Seems like these can't be AFAC by Summoner. Seeing significant damage resistance after the first BP down to 10% damage taken on subsequent BPs.

LOL as an aside I love these SMN nerfs. This is clearly going to be a thing for all new content.

if you love that, just wait until it's all damaging actions.

Oh you just weaponskilled? all damage reduced for 5 seconds. Cast dia? 10 second cool down on 99% damage nerf.

(basically the only way they know how to nerf a zerg since 100% of content is zerg onry)

Pretty much.

There is no objective difference between SMN conduiting shits for 30 secs or MNKs skillchaining ***for 50k~99k without any time restraint while wearing Malignance set.

Both are abnormal behaviours that shouldnt exist .
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By Pantafernando 2020-08-06 16:49:18
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But this is a point for discussion in other place.
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By tyalangan 2020-08-06 16:51:03
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Several Twitter posts confirming some info:
@long_horned

I wanted to highlight this portion but will hide the rest. I believe he is stating this takes -50% from Geomancy!

Sextuple Razool Ja
Lv139 HP約27万
VIT320=種族D+戦D+黒F
INT319=DFA
斬突打+0% 魔息+0% 風-50%
氷60% 雷闇50% 火土水光40% 風30%
魔防200 回避1344 防御1474
履行-90% ミュイン-90% 範囲-95%
ダブルアタック ファストキャスト
レジストサイレス レジストスリープ


Lv139 HP approximately 270,000
VIT320 = Race D + Battle D + Black F
INT319=DFA
Slashing +0% Magic +0% Wind-50%
Ice 60% Thunder Darkness 50% Fire Soil Water Light 40% Wind 30%
Magic Defense 200 Evasion 1344 Defense 1474
Fulfillment-90% Muin-90% Range-95%
Double attack fast cast
Resist Cyres Resist Sleep

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By Pantafernando 2020-08-06 16:55:08
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What method those guys use to get so accurate information?
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By tyalangan 2020-08-06 16:58:26
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Pantafernando said: »
What method those guys use to get so accurate information?

Not sure but even yesterday he updated Delve mobs. He's constantly updating things. Definitely a good source for the future.
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