Just like everything there's a middle ground.
We (they) don't need 10 thousand zealots with immunity, machine guns, tanks, and massive chips on their shoulders.
Police, largely only exist... to justify their existence. They only give tickets to justify their pay. Cop doesn't give a *** if you do 100 on sidestreets. You're just a rolling dollar sign.
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Ya know, not even half way through the year, speculation on the next 6 months?
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If we abolish the police in NYC would you be interested in patrolling the Bronx, Eiryl? I think you would do well
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Asura.Eiryl said: » there's a middle ground. Draylo said: » If we abolish the police If I wanted to be a cop, I'd be a cop. military are basically instant hires. I don't want to be a cop. The whole of the justice system is broken (not "broken" purposely designed that way) For profit prison, zealous mafia police, courts, judges. All of it. Idiot Boy said: » The constant talk about de-arming police is a non-starter, too, in a nation where any random citizen might have The Arsenal of Freedom™ in the back of their pickup truck. Don't believe me? Ask Stephen Willeford. If you want, I can ask him personally, I live less than 20 miles away from him and help him with his church study group. I used to mostly be against it, but seeing all those looting and riots, people should be able to defend themselves.
while you're at it, abolish airport security ~ they're essentially police for airports
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Now the DoJ is skirting around the subject by deploying what are essentially COs via the BOP to disrupt protesters in DC.
People are not happy about it either. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/washington-dc-protests-unidentified-law-enforcement-officers/ volkom said: » while you're at it, abolish airport security ~ they're essentially police for airports I'm sure other nations will respect our wishes to not get invaded and taken over. They have feelings too!
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yeah just take everything to the extreme, there's obviously no middle ground
oh wait Let's kill all humans, it's not the jobs that're bad, only the humans deployed to them. Humans are the common thread among all "badness" so let's solve the problem. You act like people arent asking for the extreme. They are like Ladyofhonor.
You two need to get a room already.
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Asura.Kingnobody said: » volkom said: » while you're at it, abolish airport security ~ they're essentially police for airports I'm sure other nations will respect our wishes to not get invaded and taken over. They have feelings too! yeah for sure. give china and russia that responsibility of being the world police
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Asura.Eiryl said: » yeah just take everything to the extreme, there's obviously no middle ground Asura.Eiryl said: » Let's kill all humans, it's not the jobs that're bad, only the humans deployed to them. Humans are the common thread among all "badness" so let's solve the problem. Shiva.Zerowone said: » You two need to get a room already. It's sad because I agree with him a lot on FFXI discussions. Then when people get into highly polarizing discussions like this, they become enemies. Before that I barely knew him, just shows how civilized or uncivilized people can get when it comes to hot button issues. That is why you should never talk about this stuff to family or friends, lol. "abolishing the police" is disingenuous at best.
Quote: what it would take to disband the MPD and start fresh with a community-oriented, non-violent public safety and outreach capacity. Quote: He says the council wants to “totally reimagine what public safety means… Abolish the militarized pigs and replace it with something less hell bent on killing people. The police do NOT "serve and protect" citizens. Replacing them with a "new organization" that DO that. Sounds like a good idea. Quote: we can declare policing as we know it a thing of the past, and create a compassionate, non-violent future You can have safety, without "police" whos first instinct is to shoot first and ask no questions later. And then face no accountability. Abolish traffic cops. Long live police. Down with looters.
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Asura.Eiryl said: » "abolishing the police" is disingenuous at best. Quote: what it would take to disband the MPD and start fresh with a community-oriented, non-violent public safety and outreach capacity. Quote: He says the council wants to “totally reimagine what public safety means… Abolish the militarized pigs and replace it with something less hell bent on killing people. The police do NOT "serve and protect" citizens. Replacing them with a "new organization" that DO that. Sounds like a good idea. Quote: we can declare policing as we know it a thing of the past, and create a compassionate, non-violent future You can have safety, without "police" whos first instinct is to shoot first and ask no questions later. And then face no accountability. LOL sure, this is coming from the guy who acknowledges your average person is an idiot and would do the worst if allowed. You have such a cynic view on life and people, why would you trust them to police themselves? Just delete the current force and create a "new" one with a different name, makes no sense. Police are there to serve and protect, the evidence is there in the fact people call them all the time via 911.
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Quote: Life, death & 911: Thousands in crisis left waiting for Detroit police Quote: At a time when the city touts the fastest response time to 911 calls in well more than a decade — 13 minutes for priority one calls — thousands of the most urgent calls to police each year still leave victims waiting 30 minutes or more for help. Hundreds wait longer than an hour. From 2017 to 2018, the number of calls waiting at least 30 minutes to receive a response swelled by more than 70%. Quote: Flint police response times approach 1 hour for most-serious 911 calls Really, serving those citizens ain't they Quote: “Neither the Constitution, nor state law, impose a general duty upon police officers or other governmental officials to protect individual persons from harm — even when they know the harm will occur,” said Darren L. Hutchinson, a professor and associate dean at the University of Florida School of Law. “Police can watch someone attack you, refuse to intervene and not violate the Constitution.” The Supreme Court has repeatedly held that the government has only a duty to protect persons who are “in custody,” he pointed out. Asura.Eiryl said: » "abolishing the police" is disingenuous at best. Quote: what it would take to disband the MPD and start fresh with a community-oriented, non-violent public safety and outreach capacity. Quote: He says the council wants to “totally reimagine what public safety means… Abolish the militarized pigs and replace it with something less hell bent on killing people. The police do NOT "serve and protect" citizens. Replacing them with a "new organization" that DO that. Sounds like a good idea. Quote: we can declare policing as we know it a thing of the past, and create a compassionate, non-violent future You can have safety, without "police" whos first instinct is to shoot first and ask no questions later. And then face no accountability. How does any of that makes sense? Half the new "force" would be dead in a week. Especially in crime-ridden areas such as Minneapolis. But hey, make an example of them. Teach the rest of the world what not to do. And you would show zero empathy towards them because "it's not in your backyard."
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The police are FAR from "highly trained" and are the furthest thing from "professional"
Six hundred hours of training. That's IT. For reference, the Army MP is 30 weeks(20 AIT).   Quote: Louisiana has one of the lowest minimum training requirements for entry-level police, at 360 hours. the world needs more bob ross
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Asura.Eiryl said: » The police are FAR from "highly trained" and are the furthest thing from "professional" Six hundred hours of training. That's IT. For reference, the Army MP is 30 weeks(20 AIT). Quote: Louisiana has one of the lowest minimum training requirements for entry-level police, at 360 hours. But whatever you say. You rather take biased sources for granted as long as it fits your narrative. Only need a GEDand 594 hours IS the academy
 Asura.Eiryl said: » Only need a GED Glad you didn't argue against the main points though. "Beat cops" are the killers
594 Hours IS the police academy. And you only need 42 CREDIT HOURS AT A COMMUNITY COLLEGE to qualify. 50 In macomb county. Quote: Graduates of Macomb’s Police Academy are eligible for positions that include police officer, sheriff’s deputy, correctional officer and dispatcher. Which is an associates, a diploma. Now hes downplaying Community colleges as if they are bad. DId you even go to college Eiryl? I'd say not.
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